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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#26 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:43:07 AM(UTC)
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The guy has to much talent to let go. I'm still standing by that. Remember, last year was the first year he started all 16 games and frankly played great other than the self preclaimed drops. 55 sum odd catches with 8 TDs. Which i'm not knocking we could of used him in the playoffs.

Name one TE in this division who is better? Pettigrew? Rudolf? Kellen Davis?! Are you kidding me?
And the last 2 years NFLs top tier TE's aren't exactly playing up to smuff this year. And I agree that doesn't excuse poor play..
But his Finley guy isn't half bad. You're weighing him to much on talking.. And honestly IMO the guy doesn't talk as much as you think.
Slow down the talk about getting rid of him till the offseason hits. Because you can make cases besides Jones and Cobb that the recieving core as a WHOLE isn't playing good enough.

And I hate being nastly biased and mean to the fan bases, so I aplogize for this...

STOP. BLAMING. ONE. PLAYER.
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#27 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:47:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Well, I've been a pretty huge fan of this team my whole life, just like yourself. I've read the clips, listened to the interviews, seen the plays, etc. Add all the stuff up and what do you get?

A couple years ago he was outright proclaiming that he wasn't getting enough balls thrown his way. Then he gets injured. Then he is all YOTTO. Then he is ripping the team on the photo deal PRIOR to the SB being played, causing a distraction. Then it is YOTTO2, and what does he do? Shits the bed. More PR problems in the offseason/preseason with the lip and his agent. More shitting the bed THIS year. More public comments distracting the focus of the team...

What is it? Am I missing something? Because I sure would like to see him do well for the Packers.


Nick Barnett and Finley were both excluded (initially) from the team photo. Damn right they are going to be upset. Should they go about it publicly like Barnett did and then Finley? No.
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You and I and anyone would be pissed off and HURT by this. The issue was taking it public instead of in house.

As I said before, a lot of the things people use against him are slanted and taken out of context. I do read the interviews, I do watch them and I do listen to the questions asked. I stand firm on my opinion. He is NOT as bad as some make him out to be. He's a very immature 25 year old male who has a lot of talent.

I gave him sort of a pass last season for the drops for reasons mentioned already. I have no more reasoning with him this year and his drops, none. You want the ball, you want chemistry, catch the ball. I couldn't careless about the things he says because the Players and Coaches publicly state they like his passion. If they are okay with it, whatever. I just want production from his hands, not his showboating after catching a 12 yard pass on 2nd down when the team is losing.

Last season he had lots of drops, but also 8 TD's and over 50 catches... good numbers, but if you can't cut your drops in half the following season ... there is a problem and it shouldn't be costing the Packers $8 million.
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#28 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:50:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
But Finley is a blowhard.. best way to deal with a blowhard in my opinion. Pay little attention to their words.. and kill them with it.


Those seeking something to write about know he lacks a filter on his mouth so they seek him out repeatedly for a sound bite. Then we fans bite their slant hook line sinker. How many fans actually take the time to read the transcript if available or listen to the entire interview, questions as well? Fractional at best.

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#29 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 8:55:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post


Last season he had lots of drops, but also 8 TD's and over 50 catches... good numbers, but if you can't cut your drops in half the following season ... there is a problem and it shouldn't be costing the Packers $8 million.


James Jones over the last couple years droped balls and they still brought him back last year. Why not give Finley a chance? Obviously Jones is making most of his oppurtunity this year. Who's to say Finley can't rebound in a young 2012 season? No ones lobbying to get JJ out anymore are they?
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#30 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:04:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Those seeking something to write about know he lacks a filter on his mouth so they seek him out repeatedly for a sound bite. Then we fans bite their slant hook line sinker. How many fans actually take the time to read the transcript if available or listen to the entire interview, questions as well? Fractional at best.




Completely agreed. He is a fun loving type.. but exactly he has no filter. So, in effect, what I am saying is talk about things outside of the locker room. Hell talk about anything other than the relationships within the locker room. Especially after his dumbass agent stepped in shit a couple weeks ago.

He talks a ton.. so be it. He just needs to choose his topics with more care. IMO.
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#31 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:14:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Completely agreed. He is a fun loving type.. but exactly he has no filter. So, in effect, what I am saying is talk about things outside of the locker room. Hell talk about anything other than the relationships within the locker room. Especially after his dumbass agent stepped in shit a couple weeks ago.

He talks a ton.. so be it. He just needs to choose his topics with more care. IMO.


I agree to the fact that the media and fans make excuses when players talk more than others. Like they made it a big deal when Rodgers called out the rookies on the radio. Who the fuck cares?! First they question the guys leadership, now this?

It's like everyone is making Finley out to be Ochocinco esk.... Fucking ridiculous.... You don't see Finley knocking his wife upside the head.

I've seen Finleys off the field stuff and wheather people agree or not he is a great guy and a family person just like everyone in the Packers locker room.
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#32 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:32:15 AM(UTC)
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#33 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:45:28 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
James Jones over the last couple years droped balls and they still brought him back last year. Why not give Finley a chance? Obviously Jones is making most of his oppurtunity this year. Who's to say Finley can't rebound in a young 2012 season? No ones lobbying to get JJ out anymore are they?


I was understanding of Finley's drops last season. I said over and over, he didn't have a problem with drops previously, so perhaps its a focus thing that he's worried about contract and showing coach he can play 16 games. He played 16. He got a contract. YET THE DROPS CONTINUE! And yet when making a 12 yard catch on 2nd down while losing he show boats?? He's costing something like $8 million!

James Jones, I was very understanding with him too, many here wanted him cut or traded for a bag of k-balls. I supported him because he's one of my favorite WR to watch MAKE the catch. He has soft hands. His problem as I mentioned and he later acknowledged publicly, he has a problem with over the shoulder passes.

2011 only one WR had more drops than James Jones (6), and that was Donald Driver (8).


Finley is from Houston, if he doesn't have a breakout game here ... I don't think he will. He's a matchup nightmare, but if you can't catch the ball, what's the point?
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#34 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:54:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I was understanding of Finley's drops last season. I said over and over, he didn't have a problem with drops previously, so perhaps its a focus thing that he's worried about contract and showing coach he can play 16 games. He played 16. He got a contract. YET THE DROPS CONTINUE! And yet when making a 12 yard catch on 2nd down while losing he show boats?? He's costing something like $8 million!

James Jones, I was very understanding with him too, many here wanted him cut or traded for a bag of k-balls. I supported him because he's one of my favorite WR to watch MAKE the catch. He has soft hands. His problem as I mentioned and he later acknowledged publicly, he has a problem with over the shoulder passes.

2011 only one WR had more drops than James Jones (6), and that was Donald Driver (8).


Finley is from Houston, if he doesn't have a breakout game here ... I don't think he will. He's a matchup nightmare, but if you can't catch the ball, what's the point?


So you think he droped balls to prevent injurys?

And about the show boating thing... cmon who doesn't get pumped over first downs? So he points his arm out foward after a play big woop...it's not like we were losing the game..
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#35 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 9:58:40 AM(UTC)
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He's one of those guys that'll never reach his full potential. I think it's better to just cut your losses now and get it over with. Maybe it'll flip a switch in his head which makes him succesful with his next team or he'll just jump from team to team and sizzle out.

Either way, letting him go after this year would be in our best interest.

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#36 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:01:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
So you think he droped balls to prevent injurys?

And about the show boating thing... cmon who doesn't get pumped over first downs? So he points his arm out foward after a play big woop...it's not like we were losing the game..


See what you did there? Putting words in my mouth. :) I'm saying worrying about contract and worrying about showing coach he can play 16 games knocked his focus out of whack. I think I need to copy/paste that statement cuz I seem to be typing it a lot, lol.

I don't think he's afraid to get hit.


Being excited and showing excitement is great, when it's earned. When you dropped a 3rd down pass that would have been a first down and later catch a 2nd down pass for a first down ... you don't showboat you're losing, you just don't do that. Since you like twisting my words around here, to be clear, I'm not saying to trade/drop him because of showboating. I just don't feel his production equals his contract and with other important players like Clay Matthews III and Aaron Rodgers need money, I'd rather see it go to them.
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#37 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:07:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
He's one of those guys that'll never reach his full potential. I think it's better to just cut your losses now and get it over with. Maybe it'll flip a switch in his head which makes him succesful with his next team or he'll just jump from team to team and sizzle out.

Either way, letting him go after this year would be in our best interest.

Fuck you, Jermichael. Fuck you and your trivia contests.


I take it Finley never gave you your glove.
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#38 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:09:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
See what you did there? Putting words in my mouth. :) I'm saying worrying about contract and worrying about showing coach he can play 16 games knocked his focus out of whack. I think I need to copy/paste that statement cuz I seem to be typing it a lot, lol. i'd

I don't think he's afraid to get hit.


Being excited and showing excitement is great, when it's earned. When you dropped a 3rd down pass that would have been a first down and later catch a 2nd down pass for a first down ... you don't showboat you're losing, you just don't do that. Since you like twisting my words around here, to be clear, I'm not saying to trade/drop him because of showboating. I just don't feel his production equals his contract and with other important players like Clay Matthews III and Aaron Rodgers need money, I'd rather see it go to them.


I agree he made key drops that leads to losing. But I meant when he showboats it's not when we're losing. At least from what I've seen. I also agree that he gets to much of payday. When the likes of other players are on their last year of their contracts. And include Greg to that list. WHICH I'd keep him 10 times over Finley. Even baring Injurys.
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#39 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:16:22 AM(UTC)
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You're right, showing excitement even when losing can be good because it can get guys riled up and get the adrenaline going. What I have an issue with is when YOU could have prevented the team from falling behind or tacking on points by catching that 3rd down pass and then showboat on a catch later that is essentially unimportant to the outcome of the game ... that just doesn't seem right to me.

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#40 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:26:40 AM(UTC)
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Finley talks a bigger game than he's ever shown.

Guy has all the physical talent in the world. He just doesn't have that intangible quality. And he not-so-subtly blames everything and everyone but himself, which is the difference between him and players like Driver, Jennings and Nelson. When they play bad, they don't slyly point the finger at their QB.

I'm over him. And I can only hope Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are over him, too.
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#41 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:27:46 AM(UTC)
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Go back and look at what Drops he has had. Yes some of them like the one in SF that was in his gut going to the ground should have been caught. But look at some of the others.

1 against Chicago, he was being held through his break and the ball gets to him right after? If the defender is holding him, he is not open and the ball should never have been thrown there. Unless Rodgers was trying for a flag instead of a completion. Pretty tough to call it a drop. And if it was not an attempt to get a flag, and Finley was the best option while being held, what does that say about the rest of the receivers being open?

Another against Chicago, he was on a full out dive. Was a tough throw and an extemely tough catch.

last week, Rodgers hits Finley on his hip, when Finley is running away from him. Terrible place to throw the ball, the defender was trailing, so a Pick was possible with that throw, and the position, made Finley twist and reach back and down to make the catch. If the ball it thrown out in front where it should be, Finley probably doesn't drop it.

Finley has only had a couple, BAD drops. The others would be great catches if he had managed.

As for his comments, if you want to take what he says as a negative, you will. It is just as easily to take them as a positive. JMike knows he needs better communication with Rodgers. He constantly says, I need to work on that, and I need to spend the time talking with him.
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#42 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:27:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You're right, showing excitement even when losing can be good because it can get guys riled up and get the adrenaline going. What I have an issue with is when YOU could have prevented the team from falling behind or tacking on points by catching that 3rd down pass and then showboat on a catch later that is essentially unimportant to the outcome of the game ... that just doesn't seem right to me.



That's comepletly true it doesn't seem right because it does nothing for the team. But don't you think he does that to gain confidence? As Aaron Rodgers always says Finley needs confidence early and often. What happens if it's the other way around though? He catches a ball, showboats, then later in the game drops a ball. Wouldn't that be worse? Idk maybe it just depends where it happens in the game.
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#43 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:32:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TimeToThink Go to Quoted Post
Finley talks a bigger game than he's ever shown.

Guy has all the physical talent in the world. He just doesn't have that intangible quality. And he not-so-subtly blames everything and everyone but himself, which is the difference between him and players like Driver, Jennings and Nelson. When they play bad, they don't slyly point the finger at their QB.

I'm over him. And I can only hope Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson are over him, too.


I just don't think Finley should be a controversey in Green Bay. I mean if Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson got rid of him it wouldn't solve all our problems.
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#44 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:35:31 AM(UTC)
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I just don't think Finley should be a controversey in Green Bay. I mean if Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson got rid of him it wouldn't solve all our problems.


It wouldn't solve any problem. People will just find somebody else to target. Bush and Hawk are still around. Jennings made his contract statement about maybe not ending up in GB.
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#45 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:39:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Go back and look at what Drops he has had. Yes some of them like the one in SF that was in his gut going to the ground should have been caught. But look at some of the others.

1 against Chicago, he was being held through his break and the ball gets to him right after? If the defender is holding him, he is not open and the ball should never have been thrown there. Unless Rodgers was trying for a flag instead of a completion. Pretty tough to call it a drop. And if it was not an attempt to get a flag, and Finley was the best option while being held, what does that say about the rest of the receivers being open?

Another against Chicago, he was on a full out dive. Was a tough throw and an extemely tough catch.

last week, Rodgers hits Finley on his hip, when Finley is running away from him. Terrible place to throw the ball, the defender was trailing, so a Pick was possible with that throw, and the position, made Finley twist and reach back and down to make the catch. If the ball it thrown out in front where it should be, Finley probably doesn't drop it.

Finley has only had a couple, BAD drops. The others would be great catches if he had managed.

As for his comments, if you want to take what he says as a negative, you will. It is just as easily to take them as a positive. JMike knows he needs better communication with Rodgers. He constantly says, I need to work on that, and I need to spend the time talking with him.


Couldn't be more on the money there. It's not like he's a cocky bitch that preaches that he's the best player ever. All he ever says is that he wants his team to win.
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#46 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 11:22:57 AM(UTC)
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It wouldn't solve any problem. People will just find somebody else to target. Bush and Hawk are still around. Jennings made his contract statement about maybe not ending up in GB.


Hawk is playing really well this year though. So that rules out Hawk for the scapegoat.
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#47 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 1:20:16 PM(UTC)
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You know, there are an assload of players - AND COACHES - on this team who have underplayed/underperformed. Finley is not alone. Hawk has played well the last 3 games, but stunk it up to start the season in my view. Look at Bulaga! What the hell...???!!!! Jordy is dropping stuff he rarely dropped before.

I want Jermichael Finley to turn it all around. I really do. Hopefully that happens. The guy has very little leeway in my book, as a fan. He needs to turn this around. Catch catchable balls. Make good blocks. Cut down on errors. Be a go-to guy. Be dependable. Quit doing and being the opposite of this!

If he's going to keep screwing this up, trade him before the deadline.
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#48 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 1:37:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
You know, there are an assload of players - AND COACHES - on this team who have underplayed/underperformed. Finley is not alone. Hawk has played well the last 3 games, but stunk it up to start the season in my view. Look at Bulaga! What the hell...???!!!! Jordy is dropping stuff he rarely dropped before.

I want Jermichael Finley to turn it all around. I really do. Hopefully that happens. The guy has very little leeway in my book, as a fan. He needs to turn this around. Catch catchable balls. Make good blocks. Cut down on errors. Be a go-to guy. Be dependable. Quit doing and being the opposite of this!

If he's going to keep screwing this up, trade him before the deadline.



Trading him even if he underperforms this week is a bad idea. It would be like losing him in the 2010 season. I know we won the super bowl without him, but our teams TE play dropped off signifigantly. I just don't understand that approach, I think it would be stupid to be honest.

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#49 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 2:35:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Trading him even if he underperforms this week is a bad idea. It would be like losing him in the 2010 season. I know we won the super bowl without him, but our teams TE play dropped off signifigantly. I just don't understand that approach, I think it would be stupid to be honest.



Gay - how old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm not asking in a condescending way by any means, but wondering if you're old enough to remember Sterling Sharpe.

Sharpe was hands down the best WR Brett Favre ever had to throw to. And no, Javon Walker wasn't even close. Sharpe was a superstar could have been the only WR to ever threaten Jerry Rice's records.

However, Favre used Sharpe TOO much and forced things to Sharpe even when he was triple covered and threw unnecessary INTs because of that.

Same thing with Finley. Note that this is NOT a knock on Finley and rather a knock on Rodgers.

When Finley went down in 2010, Rodgers started throwing to everyone, spreading the ball around, and driving opposing Defensive Coordinators nuts. He had one point in the season where 4 of 6 games were over a 130 QB rating.

In 2012, Rodgers is back to his old ways of forcing things to Finley.

And Finley is no Sterling Sharpe.
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#50 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 3:05:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Gay - how old are you if you don't mind me asking? I'm not asking in a condescending way by any means, but wondering if you're old enough to remember Sterling Sharpe.

Sharpe was hands down the best WR Brett Favre ever had to throw to. And no, Javon Walker wasn't even close. Sharpe was a superstar could have been the only WR to ever threaten Jerry Rice's records.

However, Favre used Sharpe TOO much and forced things to Sharpe even when he was triple covered and threw unnecessary INTs because of that.

Same thing with Finley. Note that this is NOT a knock on Finley and rather a knock on Rodgers.

When Finley went down in 2010, Rodgers started throwing to everyone, spreading the ball around, and driving opposing Defensive Coordinators nuts. He had one point in the season where 4 of 6 games were over a 130 QB rating.

In 2012, Rodgers is back to his old ways of forcing things to Finley.

And Finley is no Sterling Sharpe.


20. I wish I could of seen him play sadly I didn't but I love that he's still around on playbook!!Anxious

I think he's acutally trying to spread the ball around imo. I keep seeing stats every game where it says he connects with 7 recievers or more. Idk if that's what you mean or not. He rarely doesn't force it either other than that dropped INT by Briggs. Nothing like he did in the Eagles game opener 2 years ago throwing it into double coverage to Finley.

If he does force it he's been deadly accurate. Prime example the droped pass in the endzone to Finley. It was a tough catch but right on the money.
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