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Offline zombieslayer  
#51 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 3:43:25 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, he doesn't force it as much as he has in the past to Finley, but I still see him forcing it.

If anything now, I think the biggest problem with Aaron is he needs to GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!








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#52 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 4:10:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, he doesn't force it as much as he has in the past to Finley, but I still see him forcing it.

If anything now, I think the biggest problem with Aaron is he needs to GET RID OF THE DAMN BALL!!!








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#53 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 10:33:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
Go back and look at what Drops he has had. Yes some of them like the one in SF that was in his gut going to the ground should have been caught. But look at some of the others.

1 against Chicago, he was being held through his break and the ball gets to him right after? If the defender is holding him, he is not open and the ball should never have been thrown there. Unless Rodgers was trying for a flag instead of a completion. Pretty tough to call it a drop. And if it was not an attempt to get a flag, and Finley was the best option while being held, what does that say about the rest of the receivers being open?

Another against Chicago, he was on a full out dive. Was a tough throw and an extemely tough catch.

last week, Rodgers hits Finley on his hip, when Finley is running away from him. Terrible place to throw the ball, the defender was trailing, so a Pick was possible with that throw, and the position, made Finley twist and reach back and down to make the catch. If the ball it thrown out in front where it should be, Finley probably doesn't drop it.

Finley has only had a couple, BAD drops. The others would be great catches if he had managed.

As for his comments, if you want to take what he says as a negative, you will. It is just as easily to take them as a positive. JMike knows he needs better communication with Rodgers. He constantly says, I need to work on that, and I need to spend the time talking with him.


You're spot on. It's always puzzled me why Finley gets the tougher throws to catch than any other receiver. Seems like he's always having to catch balls in traffic or going to the ground, in double coverage or a tough back shoulder play.

I agree with him though. Him and Rodgers don't have the same chemistry as like James Jones or Jordy Nelson but some of these throws a bit ridiculous to expect to be hauled in. If Rodgers threw the ball to him while he's open I'm sure he'd catch more. I find Rodgers over looks him on quick passing plays where he's wide open over the middle and shoots the ball down the field but when Rodgers is indecisive he'll force one into Finley while he's surrounded by a ton of defenders.

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#54 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 11:15:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
You're spot on. It's always puzzled me why Finley gets the tougher throws to catch than any other receiver. Seems like he's always having to catch balls in traffic or going to the ground, in double coverage or a tough back shoulder play.

I agree with him though. Him and Rodgers don't have the same chemistry as like James Jones or Jordy Nelson but some of these throws a bit ridiculous to expect to be hauled in. If Rodgers threw the ball to him while he's open I'm sure he'd catch more. I find Rodgers over looks him on quick passing plays where he's wide open over the middle and shoots the ball down the field but when Rodgers is indecisive he'll force one into Finley while he's surrounded by a ton of defenders.



This is a true, but a big tight end such as Finley is going to be asked to make the difficult catches. That's what truly makes a guy like him such a match up nightmare: even when they are covered, they still make catches. Tight ends by nature are going to be making a lot of catches in traffic, many in the middle of the field. It's not a situation unique to Finley, it's just the position he plays. Yes, many of the catches he's asked to make are extremely difficult. The difference between a good to great player and an average player is that the good to great player will often make those almost impossible catches.

Honestly, I almost think Rodgers has too much confidence in the guy. If he's not consistently making the tough catches, stop asking him to do so and perhaps looks elsewhere, unless he's relatively open.
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#55 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2012 11:25:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
This is a true, but a big tight end such as Finley is going to be asked to make the difficult catches. That's what truly makes a guy like him such a match up nightmare: even when they are covered, they still make catches. Tight ends by nature are going to be making a lot of catches in traffic, many in the middle of the field. It's not a situation unique to Finley, it's just the position he plays. Yes, many of the catches he's asked to make are extremely difficult. The difference between a good to great player and an average player is that the good to great player will often make those almost impossible catches.

Honestly, I almost think Rodgers has too much confidence in the guy. If he's not consistently making the tough catches, stop asking him to do so and perhaps looks elsewhere, unless he's relatively open.


What makes me want to keep him is how he was in 2009 and when he played in 2010. His hands were like glue back then, I don't know how he could fall so far off. You can see the frustration in his body motions after a drop.

It's not an excuse but rodgers throws a really, really hard flat fastball which is difficult to catch. I like the throws but I believe its part of the reason we have so many drops. A guy like Brees will drop a pass in lobbed in perfect placement Rodgers can deliver same placement but he fires it in like a missle. Has it's pros and cons.

Remember Driver back in 2008 saying Favre throws the ball with more touch when needed and that Rodgers will develop that, but it's still there. Last playoff in the miss TD opening drive he had jennings wide open but threw a hard fastball over his head. Jennings was wide open, if he lobbed it just a bit jennings could run under and catch it even if it was under or over thrown. In the same game he had Finley over the middle, EASY pitch and catch but I think Finley ran a 5 step slant and not a 3. He threw the ball absolutely as hard as he could and missed finley, if he took some off that'd be an easy completion, it also brings no room for error when you're firing the ball 100 MPH all the time
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#56 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:43:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
What makes me want to keep him is how he was in 2009 and when he played in 2010. His hands were like glue back then, I don't know how he could fall so far off. You can see the frustration in his body motions after a drop.

It's not an excuse but rodgers throws a really, really hard flat fastball which is difficult to catch. I like the throws but I believe its part of the reason we have so many drops. A guy like Brees will drop a pass in lobbed in perfect placement Rodgers can deliver same placement but he fires it in like a missle. Has it's pros and cons.

Remember Driver back in 2008 saying Favre throws the ball with more touch when needed and that Rodgers will develop that, but it's still there. Last playoff in the miss TD opening drive he had jennings wide open but threw a hard fastball over his head. Jennings was wide open, if he lobbed it just a bit jennings could run under and catch it even if it was under or over thrown. In the same game he had Finley over the middle, EASY pitch and catch but I think Finley ran a 5 step slant and not a 3. He threw the ball absolutely as hard as he could and missed finley, if he took some off that'd be an easy completion, it also brings no room for error when you're firing the ball 100 MPH all the time


That's one of my criticisms of Aaron. Favre had both his fastball and his touch pass. Aaron just has the fastball.
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#57 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:48:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
That's one of my criticisms of Aaron. Favre had both his fastball and his touch pass. Aaron just has the fastball.


This is said tongue in cheek, right? Aaron Rodgers has a much better deep ball than Brett Favre ever did, but Favre had the stronger arm in his prime. Granted, when Favre got nailed, he'd settle down and had some pretty nice touch on his passes lol.


Edit, nevermind. You're talking about something different. You're saying Favre knew when to lay off the rocketball on a 10 yard pass, where Aaron just rifles it in there. That is something that Favre learned later in his career too. And yes Aaron does need to learn to do that.
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#58 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 11:09:53 AM(UTC)
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Yes favre fixed it fairly quick cause he was making some of those throws in the sb years. His deep ball was a lot more lobbed up where as Rodgers is more flat hard and accurate
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#59 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:43:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
Yes favre fixed it fairly quick cause he was making some of those throws in the sb years. His deep ball was a lot more lobbed up where as Rodgers is more flat hard and accurate


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#60 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:49:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
This is said tongue in cheek, right? Aaron Rodgers has a much better deep ball than Brett Favre ever did, but Favre had the stronger arm in his prime. Granted, when Favre got nailed, he'd settle down and had some pretty nice touch on his passes lol.


Edit, nevermind. You're talking about something different. You're saying Favre knew when to lay off the rocketball on a 10 yard pass, where Aaron just rifles it in there. That is something that Favre learned later in his career too. And yes Aaron does need to learn to do that.


Yes, what you said in the edit.

And for the record, Favre's long ball was underrated. Remember 2007? Favre had more completed long balls than Brady did, and Brady had Randy Moss in Moss's best year ever (including 1998).

You may be right about Favre learning to lay it off later in his career, but my memory sucks. I remember his later years better than his early years.

So I hope Aaron learns to lay off a little.
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#61 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:07:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zombieslayer Go to Quoted Post
Yes, what you said in the edit.

And for the record, Favre's long ball was underrated. Remember 2007? Favre had more completed long balls than Brady did, and Brady had Randy Moss in Moss's best year ever (including 1998).

You may be right about Favre learning to lay it off later in his career, but my memory sucks. I remember his later years better than his early years.

So I hope Aaron learns to lay off a little.


2007 the Packers lead the league in yards after the catch. Top of my head I can think of a few plays that were about 20 or so yards ... Jennings-slant-Chargers, Jones-curl route?-Broncos, and the overtime pass was a nice over the top pass, another slant against Chiefs ... all in 2007. Favre zipped them and the WR racked up the 'long ball' yards afterwards. Not to discredit Favre here, cuz he had to put the ball in the right place for the WR to make those yards.

2007 was a really great year for Favre, but that doesn't mean he was accurate with the deep ball (as I was mistakenly referring to) throughout his career. Look at the '03 Raiders game... the receivers made him look great that game.

Jermichael Finley would have dropped probably two TD's in that Raiders game!!
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#62 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:37:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
James Jones over the last couple years droped balls and they still brought him back last year. Why not give Finley a chance? Obviously Jones is making most of his oppurtunity this year. Who's to say Finley can't rebound in a young 2012 season? No ones lobbying to get JJ out anymore are they?


Problem is Jones doesn't spend so much time yapping.

In fact its typically exactly the opposite. Jones invariably takes the blame.

That's part of the reason some of us get upset at Finley and annoyed/frustrated/ballistic about Finley. Finley hasn't performed on the field OR watched his mouth.

As play2win pointed out, he seems more like Javon Walker 2.0.



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#63 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:48:50 PM(UTC)
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My comment, it could be full of crap and I have no stats to back it up, but man it feels that Finley's drops are always drive ending or momentum killing drops.
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#64 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2012 5:56:56 PM(UTC)
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Every team has to have a yapper. We as Packers fans are just so full of themselves with the Titletown USA, Packers People bullshit that they forget that aside from the money and the fame, the players are out there having fun.

I like the comic relief. Finley is a charismatic guy. We haven't had that in Green Bay since Favre (though now you can count Clay Matthews as such a character) Is he being the great player he has the potential to be? No, but he's good. The only Tight Ends really playing worth a shit right now are Heath Miller and Brent Celek, and they aren't exactly the phenoms that Gronkowski and Graham are.

What I don't like is the bullshit that our coaches feed our players and having most of them say "Oh, they didn't win. We beat ourselves." That's the kind of garbage I don't like to hear, and I'd rather have Finley showboat.

Finley's Finley. It's nowhere close to what Javon Walker did.
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#65 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:37:04 AM(UTC)
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With $4.45 million bonus looming in March, Finley could be on his way out
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#66 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:22:45 AM(UTC)
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I saw we trade him and Jennings to Jacksonville for their 2nd and MJD :)
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#67 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:58:19 AM(UTC)
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#68 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:18:12 AM(UTC)
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To tell you guys the truth, I was a big believer in Finley when we first drafted him. This kid had a lot of raw talent and is very athletic it's really a shame that he lacks concentration and confidence skills which separates him of being a good TE.

Really sad, when he got injured I really thought he would come back the following year and perform lights out, afterwards coming back from his injury I said to myself he might be out of sync and this year he would pick it up.

Eventually I see him regressed from last year ... Now I'm not saying that he doesn't have the skills / talent to become an Elite NFL TE but I don't think we should keep him after this season unless he improves in the next coming weeks. We've got more important key players waiting to be re-signed " Matthews / Raji / Aaron Rodgers and at his cap and at his level of play is a really big waste of cap space.
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#69 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 9:22:28 AM(UTC)
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Finley was a beast his first season then he had the injury.

For me though he just doesn't seem to have the passion of that first year any more.

I prefer the passion Tom Crabtree has for the game and the Packers.
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Finley's Finley. It's nowhere close to what Javon Walker did.


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#71 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:04:41 PM(UTC)
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I do not think Finley's intention is to do harm or to cause problems. He seems like a guy who has behaved (and was allowed to behave) a certain way and still hasn't realized how it makes him sound to his teammates and fans. What was this guy like in college at TX?
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#72 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 7:38:27 AM(UTC)
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If the Packers decide to franchise Jennings next year, Finley will definitely be traded or cut after the season. If they let Jennings walk, I see Finley playing out his contract and then the team letting Finley walk after '13. He had a breakout season in '09, but then just has not been able to put it together after coming back from injury last season. His big mouth doesn't help matters either. How Quarless plays after he comes back from injury could play a part in it as well.
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#73 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 8:30:53 AM(UTC)
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If the Packers decide to franchise Jennings next year, Finley will definitely be traded or cut after the season. If they let Jennings walk, I see Finley playing out his contract and then the team letting Finley walk after '13. He had a breakout season in '09, but then just has not been able to put it together after coming back from injury last season. His big mouth doesn't help matters either. How Quarless plays after he comes back from injury could play a part in it as well.


Crabtree looked adequate yesterday.
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#74 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2012 8:32:31 AM(UTC)
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I do not think Finley's intention is to do harm or to cause problems. He seems like a guy who has behaved (and was allowed to behave) a certain way and still hasn't realized how it makes him sound to his teammates and fans. What was this guy like in college at TX?


talented but immature.
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It’s probably not the smartest thing to do: to call out your elite quarterback about getting you the ball. It’s Finley’s job to get on the same page as Aaron Rodgers, not the other way around. Especially if you want to get the ball thrown your way.
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