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Offline Zero2Cool  
#151 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 6:09:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I didn't catch which announcer said it. I will blame it on Brian Billick. "Hayward! Gets, his first, second, fourth interception on the year."


It wasn't Brian, so I think it had to be Thom Brennaman.


Edit, link - Thom Brennaman or Sam Rosen/Brian Billick/Laura Okmin

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#152 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 6:54:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
It wasn't Brian, so I think it had to be Thom Brennaman.


ok. I could not remember who the other announcer was so I blamed Billick knowing someone would correct me. thanks.
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#153 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 10:07:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
ok. I could not remember who the other announcer was so I blamed Billick knowing someone would correct me. thanks.


For this last game? It was Sam Rosen.

I noticed in particular, because he sounded drunk the entire time.
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#154 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 10:34:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Hopefully we'll double that


Almost did! What a great win. Everything looks to be coming together on this Packers team. Granted, the runs weren't nearly as effective from a ypc standpoint, but certainly effective simply calling them to keep the D honest. And, there were some good runs there too.

We could stand some improvement in our run blocking, and in getting home for the sack with our pass rush. Wouldn't hurt to get Conway dialed in a bit better on the long FGs. Moses got a really bad call by the officials, on a perfect play by him, ala Nick Perry.

How about Rodgers? What a super talent. The guy just continues to amaze me. So do our WRs. Really nice work. A well called game, and well executed.
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#155 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 2:28:24 PM(UTC)
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It's probably already been discussed, but was I the only one that noticed Marshall Newhouse continually getting beaten (almost instantly) during this game? Lang got dominated a few times as well, by a rookie. Newhouse really looked bad this game. On the second Cobb TD, Newhouse quickly gave up pressure which is what forced Rodgers out of the pocket in the first place.

If the Packers didn't have a QB like Aaron Rodgers, they would really be screwed. This offensive line is bad. Rodgers may hold on to the ball too long at times, but he more than makes up for any negative stats that may produce by making big plays, despite constant pressure.
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#156 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:17:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
It's probably already been discussed, but was I the only one that noticed Marshall Newhouse continually getting beaten (almost instantly) during this game? Lang got dominated a few times as well, by a rookie. Newhouse really looked bad this game. On the second Cobb TD, Newhouse quickly gave up pressure which is what forced Rodgers out of the pocket in the first place.

If the Packers didn't have a QB like Aaron Rodgers, they would really be screwed. This offensive line is bad. Rodgers may hold on to the ball too long at times, but he more than makes up for any negative stats that may produce by making big plays, despite constant pressure.


We have 3/5's of a decent offensive line. Newhouse is serviceable only, and when he plays against real talent at DE, he's going to look like that. And Saturday is old garbage, that already be taking a seat to EDS. The Rams have a good defense and we hung a 30 burger on them, so I'm not complaining.
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#157 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:52:33 AM(UTC)
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Think we'll draft some offensive linemen this year? d'oh!
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#158 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:46:54 AM(UTC)
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Nah Newhouse played iffy early but after that he played fine and Rodgers had all day. Same with bulaga. On that play they came offsides so we quick snapped it. That has potential for a broken play cause not all lineman are set for it at that time.

Pressure wise Newhouse had played very well so far and better than I thought. As long as he makes the DE run wide Rodgers can step up and throw. That's how that position is played and for the most part he's played well
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#159 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:38:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rios39 Go to Quoted Post
Nah Newhouse played iffy early but after that he played fine and Rodgers had all day. Same with bulaga. On that play they came offsides so we quick snapped it. That has potential for a broken play cause not all lineman are set for it at that time.

Pressure wise Newhouse had played very well so far and better than I thought. As long as he makes the DE run wide Rodgers can step up and throw. That's how that position is played and for the most part he's played well


I think he has played average at best, and often very below average. Playing well at times and really bad at others = average, imo. Rodgers has covered up a lot of his mistakes. If the Packers didn't have such a shifty mobile quarterback, Newhouse would be in everyone's dog house. Fortunately, the Packers DO have a mobile quarterback, but that still doesn't excuse giving up so many pressures. To be fair, I would like to see more chips to give him some help, but that doesn't seem to happen too often.

I understand we can't have elite players at every position, but Newhouse needs to step up. Bulaga played a good game, but Newhouse didn't. I expect Bulaga to play well. At this point, I expect Newhouse to be serviceable at best, which is unfortunate.

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#160 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:45:16 AM(UTC)
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Think we'll draft some offensive linemen this year? d'oh!


2013? Fo shizzle. I foresee 2 OL being drafted along with LB, DL, DB, and WR. Possibly a RB as well.
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#161 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:03:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I think he has played average at best, and often very below average. Playing well at times and really bad at others = average, imo. Rodgers has covered up a lot of his mistakes. If the Packers didn't have such a shifty mobile quarterback, Newhouse would be in everyone's dog house. Fortunately, the Packers DO have a mobile quarterback, but that still doesn't excuse giving up so many pressures. To be fair, I would like to see more chips to give him some help, but that doesn't seem to happen too often.

I understand we can't have elite players at every position, but Newhouse needs to step up. Bulaga played a good game, but Newhouse didn't. I expect Bulaga to play well. At this point, I expect Newhouse to be serviceable at best, which is unfortunate.



Pretty interesting observations by Bob McGinn on our OL play Sunday:

"This might have been Bryan Bulaga's best performance of the season. Matched against a fine end in Chris Long, Bulaga didn't have any of the 11 "bad" runs and allowed just one-half of a pressure. "Bryan played a good game," Long said Sunday. "I just never got in a rhythm." Credit Bulaga for taking away Long's bull rush, his up-field charges and his inside move. Bulaga was penalized for pancaking Long inside, but that was a lousy call. The other tackle, Marshall Newhouse, actually was fairly solid in the run game. However, he had major problems in pass protection, giving up 1½ sacks, 2½ knockdowns and one hurry to Quinn. On the Packers' second snap, Newhouse took a poor set, turned his body, had to cross over and Quinn blew around him. Jeff Saturday did a good job as a pass blocker and sorted out traffic. He also had the presence of mind to make the shotgun snap when Rodgers' cadence caught the Rams offside three times. However, Saturday was unable to make reach blocks on rookie DT Michael Brockers two or three times and was displaced by DT Kendall Langford on another "bad" run. At least Saturday was efficient in protection, but neither T.J. Lang nor Josh Sitton fared well in either phase. Lang was bull-rushed by Brockers for a sack in 2.9 seconds and bull-rushed by 339-backup Kellen Heard for one hurry and beat by Quinn for another. Like Saturday, Lang was responsible for 2½ "bad" runs. He was shoved by Brockers on a run for minus-2 and didn't get the job done pulling on two carries. Sitton, who yielded two half pressures and 1½ "bad" runs, pulled ineffectively on one stutter play and was late getting off to MLB James Laurinaitis on a zone run. In general, aggressiveness and downfield hustle was in short supply."
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I will say this, Quinn (#14 overall 2011), Brockers (#14 overall 2012), and Long (#2 overall 2008), are all 1st Round picks who are pretty much beasts. Kendall Langford is no slouch either at 6-6 300. I think this STL DL is up and coming, and I thought we did OK against them in pass blocking. I was most disappointed in our run blocking, which I thought sucked. I think McCarthy was pointing to that in his post game presser, without calling those boys out.

All the more reason IMO to run more, and more, and more. Get this group used to pounding the ball on the ground.
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#162 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:25:31 AM(UTC)
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It did seem like Lang in particular was getting pushed back into Green's face on plenty of those runs. I guess I'll reserve judgment on Green for now.

Saturday hasn't impressed me much either.
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#163 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:39:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It did seem like Lang in particular was getting pushed back into Green's face on plenty of those runs. I guess I'll reserve judgment on Green for now.

Saturday hasn't impressed me much either.


There is nothing to hold the middle defenders when we are in shotgun with a RB using the Outside Zone scheme. They just have to push upfield as hard and fast as possible because they don't have to protect a rush lane. This scheme hasn't worked since McCarthy brought it in.
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