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Offline wpr  
#31 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:51:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TwinkieGorilla Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, you know...this might be sacrilege but I was thinking this is unfortunate but possibly a blessing in disguise. Woodson's been in the league at least a year longer than I think he should be. He's been gambling constantly on "Not getting caught" since he can't stop "Getting beat" and I'll be curious to see what these younger, quicker guys are able to do. Woodson's too big a name to ever not start if he's healthy, even if it's his wisdom which trumps his ball play these days.


Sir Charles is 36 I can't see him being on the team until the end of his contract. (2 more years. $9 mil per season plus incentives.)

You can't say he is too big of a name not to start. Uncle Teddy was perfectly willing to let 'ol No 4 part his rump on the bench.

My guess is that this is Woodson's final year.
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:01:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TwinkieGorilla Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, you know...this might be sacrilege but I was thinking this is unfortunate but possibly a blessing in disguise. Woodson's been in the league at least a year longer than I think he should be. He's been gambling constantly on "Not getting caught" since he can't stop "Getting beat" and I'll be curious to see what these younger, quicker guys are able to do. Woodson's too big a name to ever not start if he's healthy, even if it's his wisdom which trumps his ball play these days.


This Woodson getting beat is really not true, when going back and watching. And the penalties are nothing new either. Woodson has always been penalized, so was Al. Woody has never been a speed defender, he has always been, a get in their face, disrupt them off the line, and get his hands on the receiver CB. Much of the thing today is with the Zone coverages we play, and the way the broadcasts show. What we see is a receiver catching the ball, and Woodson making a tackle and assume that Woodson was on the coverage. when actually he wasn't but he was there to clean up.

The other week against Indy, Woodson was being criticized for the loss. When I went back and watched, Woodson wasn't on coverage on most of the plays, He was credited for 4 completions, and 3 of them you couldn't cover any better.

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#33 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:10:37 AM(UTC)
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PFF has Woodson as the 43rd Safety in the NFL. Behind #9 Jerron McMillian and #34 Morgan Burnett.
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#34 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:21:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
You can't say he is too big of a name not to start. Uncle Teddy was perfectly willing to let 'ol No 4 part his rump on the bench.


We had Aaron Rodgers ready to go. Our other SSs are M.D. Jennings and Sean Richardson, and Woody doesn't play Safety half the time anyways. Not the same situation, and none of our other corners or safeties have the all-around utility that Woodson has. Replaceable? Of course. With no dropoff in performance? Not necessarily. I guess we'll see.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:07:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
We had Aaron Rodgers ready to go. Our other SSs are M.D. Jennings and Sean Richardson, and Woody doesn't play Safety half the time anyways. Not the same situation, and none of our other corners or safeties have the all-around utility that Woodson has. Replaceable? Of course. With no dropoff in performance? Not necessarily. I guess we'll see.




It is the same thing. The comment was that Woodson is too big of a name to sit. My point was a name that was bigger than Woodson was going to be sat down. No one said the replacements are as close in ability as Rodgers was to Favre. No one expected Rodgers to do so well his first year as a starter. It was simply time to move on. Will they play the same rover spot as Woodson? Probably not. Will they excel in so many areas as Woodson? probably not. Is Woodson too big to sit? No.
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#36 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:22:47 AM(UTC)
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Hate to see it...have to deal with it...hope he comes back healthy this year and that it's a blessing in desquise.
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:41:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
This Woodson getting beat is really not true, when going back and watching. And the penalties are nothing new either. Woodson has always been penalized, so was Al. Woody has never been a speed defender, he has always been, a get in their face, disrupt them off the line, and get his hands on the receiver CB. Much of the thing today is with the Zone coverages we play, and the way the broadcasts show. What we see is a receiver catching the ball, and Woodson making a tackle and assume that Woodson was on the coverage. when actually he wasn't but he was there to clean up.

The other week against Indy, Woodson was being criticized for the loss. When I went back and watched, Woodson wasn't on coverage on most of the plays, He was credited for 4 completions, and 3 of them you couldn't cover any better.



Thank you Twins.

I remember seeing the same thing - a perfect pass that NOBODY could have defended, and Woodson being there to mop up after other people.
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:43:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TwinkieGorilla Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, you know...this might be sacrilege but I was thinking this is unfortunate but possibly a blessing in disguise. Woodson's been in the league at least a year longer than I think he should be. He's been gambling constantly on "Not getting caught" since he can't stop "Getting beat" and I'll be curious to see what these younger, quicker guys are able to do. Woodson's too big a name to ever not start if he's healthy, even if it's his wisdom which trumps his ball play these days.


This is kind of where I am leaning on Woodson going down for 6 weeks. Respectfully, the guy isn't getting any faster, and actually is losing speed. We've all seen it, and it is understandable with a 36 y/o CB. His raw, innate football sense in game situations is like few - no others. That is what has made him so valuable to our team, and this Packers defense, even to this day. I will be thrilled to see him come back from his injury to contribute on what I think will be a better, deeper secondary heading towards the playoffs.

Woodson's injury and 6 week absence is going to create opportunities for many players, like Heyward, House and McMillian, who I think will be seeing far more expanded roles. Add to that MD Jennings and Sean Richardson should be able to see more time actually playing in games. Richardson's biggest asset at Vanderbilt alongside Heyward was his play at the line of scrimmage, with 18 TFL and 3 Sacks. Capers may find a use for the kid.

This injury will also create opportunities for the staff to better assess the younger talent that they have on the roster. We may find Woodson's eventual replacement in these next 6 weeks or more. If in fact he's already on the roster, finding that out would have to be considered a positive. Have to figure, Woodson is so gifted from the raw ability, innate sense standpoint, we may never find a quote-unquote "replacement." We may find we will have to adjust, or, how to adjust our approach with different combinations on D. Again, I consider this a positive too.

I hope Wooodson sees that he can still contribute to the team by participating more as a mentor in the film room and on the sidelines for the younger players while he is healing, as opposed to what I've heard (yesterday on 1250am) as being a more hands off approach by him. If he chooses to actively mentor these players, it would be about as professional as can be. If he stays away, that might kind of suck. He knows retirement is fast approaching. I would hope he decides to mentor these players as best he can, for his team. I think $11M should buy that as a part of his deal, professionally speaking.

I should add, the guy is wired differently from most. I do think his intent by laying back with some of these guys is for them to learn on their own. That I get. I just hope he shows up to help these guys out a bit while he is rehabbing.

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#39 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 5:32:42 AM(UTC)
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Aaron Rodgers said it's the same shoulder Charles Woodson hurt during the Super Bowl and also said he wouldn't be surprised to see him back after just four weeks.
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2012 11:37:00 AM(UTC)
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This will give us a chance to see how the young guys fare. If they do great, i can see Woodson spending the end of the year warming the bench, as emergency protection.
If the guys fail, then he will be put back in ASAP.
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