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RajiRoar  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:19:23 PM(UTC)
I did not see the game (good thing?), but i saw somewhere that Mike Neal and Jerel Worthy were hurt in the game.

anybody got a good read on the status of our walking wounded?

Neal, Worthy, Nelson, Kuhn?

also, if any of them are to be IR'd, the Jets released Dan Muir who was pretty solid for us in the preseason. food for thought.
gbguy20  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:01:11 PM(UTC)
Ya know, up until this week I was pretty confident that I knew what each injury was and how long to expect guys to be kept out.

Then Sam Shields missed 3 games for a fucking "kick in the shin" and I threw in the towel.
doddpower  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 6:16:20 AM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Ya know, up until this week I was pretty confident that I knew what each injury was and how long to expect guys to be kept out.

Then Sam Shields missed 3 games for a fucking "kick in the shin" and I threw in the towel.


I thought he now has an ankle injury, too. Are you aware if that was from the same incident, or did he injure his ankle in practice or something? I have no idea.

nerdmann  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:31:34 AM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
I thought he now has an ankle injury, too. Are you aware if that was from the same incident, or did he injure his ankle in practice or something? I have no idea.



The team won't tell us a damn thing about any of these injuries.
zombieslayer  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:08:14 AM(UTC)
Well RR, you got 3 replies of "we have no idea." Here's the 4th. [grin1]
Pack93z  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:11:06 AM(UTC)
I think the NFL realizes how poorly teams are releasing injury information.. and are prepared to start docking draft picks for it. Of course, until the enforce that, teams will continue with the norm they have established. The 20k fine levied on the Ravens is peanuts.

Vegas needs all the information they can get.. if that wasn't the case, we the fans won't get squat in terms of injury information.
zombieslayer  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:13:44 AM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
I think the NFL realizes how poorly teams are releasing injury information.. and are prepared to start docking draft picks for it. Of course, until the enforce that, teams will continue with the norm they have established. The 20k fine levied on the Ravens is peanuts.

Vegas needs all the information they can get.. if that wasn't the case, we the fans won't get squat in terms of injury information.


Or we could go overboard like the Patriots and put everyone who has a stubbed toe or a boo boo on their pinky finger on the injury list.
wpr  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:15:57 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
The team won't tell us a damn thing about any of these injuries.


you do realize that most coaches (the smarts ones anyhow) are simply not going to tell you the full nature and severity of the players injuries are if there is even the slimmest of chance that they will be able to play that season? They want the opposing coaches to have to prepare to the possibility of the injured player returning for that game. It doesn't matter how much Goodell or gamblers or fans complain. They will only give token information in their reports.
Pack93z  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:17:02 AM(UTC)
zombieslayer said: Go to Quoted Post
Or we could go overboard like the Patriots and put everyone who has a stubbed toe or a boo boo on their pinky finger on the injury list.


Be prepared for the later..

Source...

Quote:
Now that the Ravens have been fined $20,000 by the NFL for not listing free safety Ed Reed on the injury report, coach John Harbaugh says the team will list every injury going forward to comply with the stated interpretation of the rulebook.

"We thought we were in compliance, we tried to follow the rules," Harbaugh said Monday during a conference call. "I'll list pretty much everybody now. Obviously, they corrected it and we'll do what they want us to do. I was surprised by it. It's something we felt like we were doing it the right way. Obviously, they disagreed and we'll adjust. There's not going to be anybody who's not going to be on there."

The NFL punished the Ravens on Friday following a review of practice and game video. An inquiry was launched after Reed complained of a torn labrum in his shoulder during a 105.7 The Fan radio program. He later downplayed the severity of the injury by saying, "I ain't drop no bombshell, man."

However, a league spokesman told The Baltimore Sun that Reed should have been listed on the injury report even though he missed no games and was a full participant in practice.

The NFL had previously fined the Buffalo Bills and the Washington Redskins $20,000 apiece for injury report violations involving defensive end Mario Williams and quarterback Robert Griffin III. And the league office has said that it will increase fines for repeat violators.

According to the NFL rulebook on reporting injuries, "All players with significant or noteworthy injuries must be listed on the report, even if the player takes all the reps in practice, and even if the team is certain that he will play in the upcoming game. This is especially true of key players and those players whose injuries have been covered extensively by the media."
Pack93z  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:23:38 AM(UTC)
Reference to the Draft Pick Penalty.

Quote:
Posted by Mike Florio on October 28, 2012, 7:04 PM EDT

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With thee teams being fined $20,000 each in recent weeks for failing to disclose injuries in compliance with league rules, the penalty for the first offense isn’t much more than, given the value of NFL franchises, a parking ticket.

If teams become repeat offenders, however, the price will go up.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tells PFT that, if the Bills (as to defensive end Mario Williams), Redskins (as to quarterback Robert Griffin III), or Ravens (as to safety Ed Reed) commit further violations, the fines will increase. Aiello also didn’t rule out the possibility of draft picks being stripped.

Aiello called it “unlikely,” but “multiple offenses of a very serious nature” could result in a team losing draft picks.

In the end, only the threat of lost draft picks will prompt teams to completely comply with the rules. Fines will be viewed simply as a cost of doing business the way the teams want to do business — especially when the January 2012 comments from former Saints defensive coordinator Greg Williams make clear the fact that teams will target injured players for further injury.
gbguy20  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:36:24 AM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
I thought he now has an ankle injury, too. Are you aware if that was from the same incident, or did he injure his ankle in practice or something? I have no idea.



as far as i know he didn't practiced between the time he was listed with "kick in the shin" to the time he was listed with "ankle" so he must have fell down the stairs or something
doddpower  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:21:37 AM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
as far as i know he didn't practiced between the time he was listed with "kick in the shin" to the time he was listed with "ankle" so he must have fell down the stairs or something


Yeah, I didn't quite think so either, but I don't follow the players daily practice activities that closely. I just thought it would be odd to go from a "kick to the shin" to "ankle" without something else happening. One truly never knows with the Packers, though.
Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:42:53 AM(UTC)
I guess I don't understand the whining over Sam Shields injury description. Perhaps the kick was actually more of a stomp-like step and caused an ankle sprain or something? Shields biggest asset is his speed and if he's not at 100% (or as close as an NFL player can be at this time of year) its better to keep guys like Casey Hayward and Davon House in the lineup while he rests.

Pack93z  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:55:47 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I guess I don't understand the whining over Sam Shields injury description. Perhaps the kick was actually more of a stomp-like step and caused an ankle sprain or something? Shields biggest asset is his speed and if he's not at 100% (or as close as an NFL player can be at this time of year) its better to keep guys like Casey Hayward and Davon House in the lineup while he rests.



I think the on top of that "get him right" approach, is that the Packers have had a schedule of teams that allow us to "break in" the rookies with live game action and still survive. Why not allow him to get right.. especially with Woodson's injury and no guarantee of a time frame of when he will be back.

2010 taught us and the league.. you better be deep if you want to go all the way. Giants last year were playing patch work in their secondary again.

Game action is, IMO, the quickest way to get a player ready, beyond the QB spot. Those candy assed fragile egos need to be protected, otherwise the chip they carry will turn to a turd.
gbguy20  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:21:43 AM(UTC)
Mike Vandermause ‏@MikeVandermause

#Packers injury report: Driver limited; Finley limited; Jennings out; Kuhn DNP; Lang limited; Neal DNP; Nelson DNP; Perry DNP; Raji limited.


SHIELDS
Porforis  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:24:18 AM(UTC)
SHIELDS LIVES
beast  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:41:00 AM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Ya know, up until this week I was pretty confident that I knew what each injury was and how long to expect guys to be kept out.

Then Sam Shields missed 3 games for a fucking "kick in the shin" and I threw in the towel.



The announcers played up the "kicked in the shin" bit... but if you look at injury reports, it also said "Ankle", which is what he and the trainer seemed to be looking at on the sideline. And shin no longer is listed on his injury report, just the "Ankle".

Long story short, Shields probably sprained his ankle and that's probably what is really keeping him out.

I forget who said it, but for a very good quote, "Watch what we do, not what we say."... and they put ankle and shin on the injury report. I don't think a shin is normally going to limit a guy... but an ankle will limit a speed guy big time.
Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:48:13 AM(UTC)
Today...

DID NOT PARTICIPATE

WR Jordy Nelson (hamstring)
FB John Kuhn (hamstring)
LB Nick Perry (knee)
CB Sam Shields (shin/knee)
DE Jerel Worthy (concussion)
DE Mike Neal (ankle)
WR Greg Jennings (groin)
CB Charles Woodson (shoulder)

LIMITED PARTICIPANTS

WR Donald Driver (thumb, neck)
OL T.J. Lang (elbow)
TE Jermichael Finley (shoulder)
NT B.J. Raji (ankle)

FULL PARTICIPANT

QB Aaron Rodgers (calf)
PackFanWithTwins  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:54:41 AM(UTC)
Shields was listed DNP Shin for the Rams game, and DNP Ankle for the Jags game.

Perhaps the injury is just falling down.


The injury report thing is such a joke, is it worse not listing an injury when the player is practicing full, and plays. Or listing players no matter what. By this time of the season, there isn't a single player, that doesn't have some injury. Is it better to be like New England who has had Brady listed every week since he came back from his knee injury.
beast  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:07:02 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Shields was listed DNP Shin for the Rams game, and DNP Ankle for the Jags game.


http://www.packers.com/team/injury-report.html


Week 7 (Rams)
Shields, Sam CB Shin / Ankle DNP DNP DNP Out

Week 8 (Jags)
Shields, Sam CB Ankle DNP DNP DNP Out


People are getting upset because Shields is out because of a shin... but from the start it looked like more.
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