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Offline play2win  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:47:11 PM(UTC)
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I think they are saving Starks. Why not? Seems like biffing Green up the middle for 0-3 yds 20+ per game is working now. Might get us through to week 11, where we can start bringing Starks along at a more dedicated # of reps with less fear of injury. Seems kind of dumb to me on some levels. On others, not so much. Starks' history has been that he is not all that durable, so I can see why they might use caution. On the other hand, the guy is a football player, and this is the NFL. If Starks is ready to go, which from what I've read he is, then get him in there!

I like Green, but I am wondering if he is reading the blocking schemes correctly. Seems like he has run into areas where he shouldn't - which makes both he and the OL look bad. I would like to know if this is in fact part of the problem. OL blocking for an outside run, and the kid takes it inside... that kind of stuff.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:09:10 PM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I can honestly say James Starks would provide better carries than Alex Green. Green has the Ryan Grant syndrome. Head down, into OL. You are right, Mike McCarthy doesn't like something about James Starks, his practicing habits, or lack thereof. This was documented a year or so ago and I feel it has persisted. Also, Starks is made out of glass so I think they figure they have X amount of carries with him and prefer to use them when it counts. Kinda like having a six shooter, you don't take wild shots, you wait until the most opportune time to hit the trigger.

Alex Green is superior receiving threat, hence why I said he should be the 3rd down back, which obviously the person who came back with the "I'll see you and raise you a" with receiving stats failed to comprehend. I'd rather the carries split between them while waiting for Cedric Benson to return. You get the best of both worlds in the meantime.

That's not going to happen, so I'm putting my eggs in the Alex Green basket and hope he gets 25 carries and 125 yards rushing against the Cardinals.

Agreed I think that would fair better than just one of them carrying the load.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:48:30 PM(UTC)
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Why show all your cards in regular season games?

2 years ago nobody knew who Starks was when he took the field.

Unfamiliarity works for a little while in the NFL.

James had a good run throughout the playoffs, but as has been stated before, his practice habits and other things have seemed to keep him from becoming a #1 or at least a #1A running back.

Go to and watch the latest(after Texan game) Mike McCarthy Show, Randall Cobb was the guest player.

Wayne Laravy(sp?) and then a member of the crowd both asked about Randall Cobb being more involeved in the offense.

The answers will make you laugh.

I posted in the other thread, I believe Mike had a plan against The Jaguars and he stuck with it.

Like it or not, the five guys that are the Packers o-line are the best option The Packers have.

I'm gonna give it a little more time before claiming Alex Green cannot be an every down back.
I have faith Mike McCarthy will come up with a plan that will work.

My prediction, when needed the most, don't know if it is this week or sometime later in the year, Mike will bust out some type of wildcat package featuring Randall Cobb.

Without Greg and now Jordy(hopefully he's back this week), The Packers need someone to become the go to playmaker and IMHO that guy is Randall Cobb.


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Green Bay Packers RB Alex Green will remain the team's starting running back over RB James Starks due to his breakaway speed. The team would rather continue on with Green as the lead back rather than trade for Carolina Panthers RB DeAngelo Williams or St. Louis Rams RB Steven Jackson, too. General manager Ted Thompson prefers to save salary cap space so he can work on contracts for LB Clay Matthews, DT B.J. Raji and QB Aaron Rodgers.

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Offline nerdmann  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 3:37:26 PM(UTC)
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I've been critical of Green, but that one article explained alot to me. He's actually got a pretty good per carry average, except when he tries to run behind Newhouse and Land. Makes alot more sense now.

I'd still like to see them play more to his skill set though.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:10:57 PM(UTC)
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I recall Starks having poor practice habits in the past. Someone may want to check me on that, but I think it was just after his debut against San Francisco in 2010, and he received poor reviews this training camp. In fact, his lack of progress is what prompted Green Bay to go and sign Cedric Benson. Perhaps Starks is just game day player with a poor practice routine. Regardless, Alex Green isn't getting it done and it wouldn't hurt to work Starks into the game plan more.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, November 1, 2012 4:42:16 AM(UTC)
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porky88 said: Go to Quoted Post
I recall Starks having poor practice habits in the past. Someone may want to check me on that, but I think it was just after his debut against San Francisco in 2010, and he received poor reviews this training camp. In fact, his lack of progress is what prompted Green Bay to go and sign Cedric Benson. Perhaps Starks is just game day player with a poor practice routine. Regardless, Alex Green isn't getting it done and it wouldn't hurt to work Starks into the game plan more.

Yes sir, I also mentioned the practice habits earlier in this thread. I've noticed when Mike McCarthy speaks on Alex Green, it almost seems like the things he over states are meant for James Starks ears. "He practices VERY well" ... then you almost hear "James, you hear why Alex is playing and you're not?" lol
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#18 Posted : Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:19:33 AM(UTC)
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Here is my thought on the topic.. why not Starks.

This is with the premise that we are marching forward with the stable we have.

Starks has not been a model of durability in college nor the pros.. but he has playoff experience under his belt. So he provides value as the playoff push and run draw closer, hence his still being on the roster.

But I think the Packers are trying to protect him somewhat so he is fresh towards the end of the year and in the push. Benson is a maybe on his return at best, that injury is just that unpredictable. Increasing Starks value in the postseason.

So the Packers are feeding Green the ball currently with hopes that experience leads to performance improvement. Green was a one cut hole reading back in college, to write his vision off already is premature in my eyes. He isn't going to improve on the sidelines.. so feeding him the rock now is going to tell the Packers what they have in him.

My opinion as runners, I like Green better as a pure runner, he runs behind his pads and low. Starks on the other hand is more vertical, and although he runs with some power, he takes a beating in the process.

Summary, I think the Packers are better off with Green as option 1 and Starks as the overflow for the above mention reasons at this point. Starks will get to knock the rust off and yet is protected as a back can be in terms of injury risks. Benson's progress will then dictate the roles moving forward, if he comes back, Starks will move more towards the feature back and Green will overtake the role the serves him and the Packers best.. 3rd down and change of pace.

Holy smokes. Point by point, this is what I was gonna write. OK, Pack93z beat me to it so he gets an applause point. I'm pretty sure this is why Mike McCarthy is still feeding Green the carries, point by point.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:39:35 AM(UTC)
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My thoughts, take them for what they are worth:
  • The Starks vs Green stats listed for 20+ carries came behind different offensive lines (Jeff Saturday is detrimental to the running game).
  • I don't think that Starks having played in a playoff game means much, if anything. As far as executing as a running back a game is a game, regardless of whether it is regular season or post season. As far as leadership during a playoff game, he is waaaay down on the list of influences on the roster.
  • I am probably wrong on this, but it seems like Kuhn is rarely on the field for running plays this year. Maybe with his influence Green would be able to put up comparable numbers to Starks.
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Kuhn maybe being saved for the Playoffs as well. We all know that whereas Kuhn's not gonna break the big one, tackling Kuhn hurts you more than Kuhn.

Green WILL bust a big one. It's just a matter of time. Green in the open field > Starks. I love Starks' brutality, but in the open field, my Grandma will catch up to him and tackle him. Green on the other hand will get away.

Green can handle the load. He already proved that. Starks is always injured. Starks also seems to piss of Mike McCarthy a lot.
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