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Offline Pack93z  
#1 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:25:51 PM(UTC)
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Hypothetical game situation (It will be the Vikes and will never happen).. this Sunday, Packers trailing by 4... 2 seconds on the clock we are in the redzone on the 9 yard line. Jennings is playing and seems healthy. Rodgers at the helm and no other injuries have been sustained to the offense.

What play do you call and whom would your target be?


Who do you trust to make a play and win the game for you?
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#2 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:34:32 PM(UTC)
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how dare you make me question my loyalty to certain players. I begrudgingly will only answer Jordy or Grog. IM SORRY JAMES, I STILL LOVE U


EDIT: no fuck that. James too.


edit2: i trust driver with my life.
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#3 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:37:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Who do you trust to make a play and win the game for you?


This guy wearing #18, no question. You don't even have to throw it into the endzone.

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#4 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:42:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert Go to Quoted Post
This guy wearing #18, no question. You don't even have to throw it into the endzone.



Agreed, but I'd feel comfortable with any of the guys.

I might hesitate on Finley, but I think he'd be ok in that situation.

If I was kicking a FG, I'd want the LEFT hash.
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Offline Pack93z  
#5 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:42:52 PM(UTC)
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Big Grin

With the up and down performance of our offense this season, I really want to query the thoughts on who is the "go to" player at the moment of the posters of the board.

Factors currently.. pass protection, drops, lack of physicality at the line of scrimmage of the receivers, and other factors. One play.. so no quick play to try and get another chance.

On the nine so you have room to run routes.. possibly a "pick" route.. close enough for a draw play or middle screen maybe.

Who do you trust to make a play?

Cobb with a catch and run? Finley using his height? Jones with his ability to go and get the ball. Nelson using his body control to the max? Jennings on a slant? Green on a middle screen? Driver with Nelson, Crabtree and Jennings plowing the way? Starks on a draw?
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#6 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:46:41 PM(UTC)
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I'd have Mason Crosby kick a field goal, and then an extra point for the tie.
Then let him miss a game winning 20 yard field goal in overtime.


Yes, i know this isn't possible......





I mean, that Crosby would have made the first TWO kicks.Big Grin
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Offline gbguy20  
#7 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:49:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Starks on a draw?


[offtopic]
Can someone explain to me the NFL's obsession with the draw?
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Offline Pack93z  
#8 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:52:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gbguy20 Go to Quoted Post
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Can someone explain to me the NFL's obsession with the draw?


It is a tool to offset a strong pass rush.. often with the backers falling into coverage and the pass rush teeing off on a passing situation.. it opens a huge gap to exploit and it plants a seed in the pass rush to at least pause and look for the run. Threat of the run does an offense wonders.

In this situation.. I wouldn't call it because the underneath coverage will not be dropping that deep and thus not much room to close on the draw. But it is effective used to setup a defense for a later play or on film.

My opinion.
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#9 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:53:32 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Hypothetical game situation (It will be the Vikes and will never happen).. this Sunday, Packers trailing by 4...


You're making a lot of rather bold and brash comments about this upcoming game my friend.

It would be a terrible shame if you had to eat copious amounts of crow in the foreseeable future......Big Grin
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#10 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:54:58 PM(UTC)
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James Jones on a back shoulder, or Jermichael Finley on a corner fade. No one else has shown to be more deserving.
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#11 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 12:57:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vikesrule Go to Quoted Post
You're making a lot of rather bold and brash comments about this upcoming game my friend.

It would be a terrible shame if you had to eat copious amounts of crow in the foreseeable future......Big Grin


Probably.. but I look at it this way. If the Packers fail to come out in this game, off the ass beating by the Giants, and don't take care of business; eating crow won't be the only disappointment upon the weekend and the season.

That, in my opinion, will foretell the future tale of the 2012 Chapter of the Green Bay Packers. It will not end up where i expect it to be.

Nutshell.. this is a must win for the Packers. I am selling out based on that opinion.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#12 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:02:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
It is a tool to offset a strong pass rush.. often with the backers falling into coverage and the pass rush teeing off on a passing situation.. it opens a huge gap to exploit and it plants a seed in the pass rush to at least pause and look for the run. Threat of the run does an offense wonders.


I like the explanation. It has suddenly clicked with me why we run it on 1st and 20 almost every time. Explanation is nice, execution is horseshit.
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#13 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:17:00 PM(UTC)
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If I had to choose one, it would have to be Jones. He is the only one who hasn't dropped a ball.

But I would feel just about the same for any receiving option. Jones, Nelson or Finley on a fade to the left, or any of them on a designed roll out to the right.

Just make sure it is quick or Rodgers doesn't need to stand in the pocket.
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#14 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:30:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Hypothetical game situation (It will be the Vikes and will never happen).. this Sunday, Packers trailing by 4... 2 seconds on the clock we are in the redzone on the 9 yard line. Jennings is playing and seems healthy. Rodgers at the helm and no other injuries have been sustained to the offense.

What play do you call and whom would your target be?


Who do you trust to make a play and win the game for you?


As it stands, I trust Jones, Nelson, Jennings and Cobb equally in that situation. I cannot pick one over the other.
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#15 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 1:47:24 PM(UTC)
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Okay.. here is what I would run.

Jones split wide left (seems more comfortable on left of Rodgers).. Finley covering the left tackle.. Cobb slot right, Nelson wide right.

Green in the Backfield for a chip and leak. Basically safety valve. Worst case.. he could create if he has a bit of open space.. lined up right of Rodgers and chipping over Lang.. leaking right.

Bring Cobb in motion to the left across the formation to a couple yards outside of Finley's outside shoulder.. his route will be a drag route back across the middle of the field with Finley chipping then releasing up the seam off Cobb's drag route.

Jones pressing the sideline of the endzone driving toward the back corner and Nelson running the 5 and post.. crossing in front of the defender drawing attention of the safety on hash.

Depending on how the defense reacts to Cobb's drag, I target either Cobb on the crosser with Nelson picking up a block or fire it for Finley in the seam right near the GL. My guess is the defense is going to pull up and follow Cobb coming across and creates a throwing lane for Finley on the GL.

I throw it low and inside forcing him to curl his body slightly and creating a soft landing for him to cradle the catch and bring it into the basket.

Film currently says Cobb is the feature.. Finley is a late option. Jennings is watching with the layoff. Jones seems to be having trouble creating space currently and Nelson seems up and down with focus or something.

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#16 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 2:08:51 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Okay.. here is what I would run.

Jones split wide left (seems more comfortable on left of Rodgers).. Finley covering the left tackle.. Cobb slot right, Nelson wide right.

Green in the Backfield for a chip and leak. Basically safety valve. Worst case.. he could create if he has a bit of open space.. lined up right of Rodgers and chipping over Lang.. leaking right.

Bring Cobb in motion to the left across the formation to a couple yards outside of Finley's outside shoulder.. his route will be a drag route back across the middle of the field with Finley chipping then releasing up the seam off Cobb's drag route.

Jones pressing the sideline of the endzone driving toward the back corner and Nelson running the 5 and post.. crossing in front of the defender drawing attention of the safety on hash.

Depending on how the defense reacts to Cobb's drag, I target either Cobb on the crosser with Nelson picking up a block or fire it for Finley in the seam right near the GL. My guess is the defense is going to pull up and follow Cobb coming across and creates a throwing lane for Finley on the GL.

I throw it low and inside forcing him to curl his body slightly and creating a soft landing for him to cradle the catch and bring it into the basket.

Film currently says Cobb is the feature.. Finley is a late option. Jennings is watching with the layoff.


I would change, Kuhn instead of Green. He is much better at chip blocking, and with the yardage, Kuhn has more mass to run over a defender or three. I would also reverse cobb and finley. Kuhn can put a better chip on, and protect rodgers blind side better than Finley. Finley seems to chip better on the right side.
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#17 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 2:20:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
I would change, Kuhn instead of Green. He is much better at chip blocking, and with the yardage, Kuhn has more mass to run over a defender or three. I would also reverse cobb and finley. Kuhn can put a better chip on, and protect rodgers blind side better than Finley. Finley seems to chip better on the right side.


I focused to the left so that Rodgers can setup quickly in the drop throwing a crisper pass left than right.. if you go Cobb, that would be a quick read and catching him in the middle.. but the throw to Rodgers down the left seam as it is more natural and if all hell breaks loose.. a quicker escape for a right handed QB with a more direct setup than one with a pass attempt to the right. All about the footwork.

That said, maybe I don't worry about Rodgers as he has proven he can make all the throws from a variant of bases.


Basically.. I want to create movement and changing the coverage responsibility to maybe invoke a bit of confusion with the defense.. and trying to get Cobb a clean release.

The chip from Finley is a light chip, basically all it would do is make sure to protect Newhouse's outside shoulder for a moment so he can get setup, he generally is solid if he can get setup.. but he gets in trouble in the first step.

Kuhn... I have little confidence in him pick up 9 yards on a leak route.. although he would handle contact better.. I am hoping that Green creates space and avoids contact. Kuhn might be a better option.. but I really don't trust Starks on a pass attempt. So it would Kuhn/Green mix.. hoping for space so I went with Green.

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#18 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 2:12:59 AM(UTC)
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I think we'd be a lot more effective in the 4 wide reciever set if we double team their best pass rusher with the back...We did this against JJ Watt If I remember correctly and we had a bunch of time on several occasions to throw the football.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:38:22 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
I would change, Kuhn instead of Green. He is much better at chip blocking, and with the yardage, Kuhn has more mass to run over a defender or three. I would also reverse cobb and finley. Kuhn can put a better chip on, and protect rodgers blind side better than Finley. Finley seems to chip better on the right side.


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Actually I would want to see the ball go to Jordy. He will make the catch. Count on it.
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