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PackFanWithTwins  
#21 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 6:41:22 PM(UTC)
Jerron McMillian was fined $21K for his hit on Giants WR Bennett. What else is a defender suppose to do now?

McMillian turned himself away to try and prevent helmet to helmet contact. He lowered himself down and did't hit high. Besides not trying to play the game, what else is a DB suppose to do?

Where to hit

These fines by the NFL have become a friggin joke.
Pack93z  
#22 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 7:21:52 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Jerron McMillian was fined $21K for his hit on Giants WR Bennett. What else is a defender suppose to do now?

McMillian turned himself away to try and prevent helmet to helmet contact. He lowered himself down and did't hit high. Besides not trying to play the game, what else is a DB suppose to do?

These fines by the NFL have become a friggin joke.


Completely agree with your assessment here... there is nothing more a defensive player can do. Unrealistic expectations.
DakotaT  
#23 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 7:32:29 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
Completely agree with your assessment here... there is nothing more a defensive player can do. Unrealistic expectations.


That, or recognize the guy already scored a touchdown, then don't be a dumbass by hitting him and getting a fifteen yard penalty. The cerebral part of this game is underestimated.
doddpower  
#24 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 7:48:21 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
That, or recognize the guy already scored a touchdown, then don't be a dumbass by hitting him and getting a fifteen yard penalty. The cerebral part of this game is underestimated.



Except for the fact that his hit could have jarred the ball lose and potentially made the play incomplete.
PackFanWithTwins  
#25 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 7:56:38 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
That, or recognize the guy already scored a touchdown, then don't be a dumbass by hitting him and getting a fifteen yard penalty. The cerebral part of this game is underestimated.


Well, he didn't score a TD. With the rules "must maintain control through the process". Hitting clean and hard, can dislodge and prevent a TD. And McMillian hit him clean and hard.
DakotaT  
#26 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2012 9:16:35 PM(UTC)
Well, I guess if Baltimore could get screwed out of going to the super bowl by a guy stripping the ball after possession then the Giant receiver could have had it jarred loose. Please explain to me why it should be touchdown when a running back reaches the ball over the goal line and has it knocked out of his hands. Shouldn't that be a fumble then?
Zero2Cool  
#27 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:19:02 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, I guess if Baltimore could get screwed out of going to the super bowl by a guy stripping the ball after possession then the Giant receiver could have had it jarred loose. Please explain to me why it should be touchdown when a running back reaches the ball over the goal line and has it knocked out of his hands. Shouldn't that be a fumble then?


The ball carrier (this is not relegated to RB's) has possession and control of the ball when reaching it over the pylon or goal line. A receiver in the process of catching a pass in the endzone does not. That's the difference.
DakotaT  
#28 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 12:26:10 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
The ball carrier (this is not relegated to RB's) has possession and control of the ball when reaching it over the pylon or goal line. A receiver in the process of catching a pass in the endzone does not. That's the difference.


A catch, possession plus one and second foot down; so why does a defender get the right to come jar the ball out when the catch is in the end zone. If the flimsy ass touchdown by the running back counts, so to should the quick catch in the end zone. My old school thinking tells me the ball carrier or receiver should have to have their body in the end zone for it to count, but then again, this is a pussified league in a pussified world.
gbguy20  
#29 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 1:08:00 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
A catch, possession plus one and second foot down; so why does a defender get the right to come jar the ball out when the catch is in the end zone. If the flimsy ass touchdown by the running back counts, so to should the quick catch in the end zone. My old school thinking tells me the ball carrier or receiver should have to have their body in the end zone for it to count, but then again, this is a pussified league in a pussified world.


ur logic is terrible....

"WHAT THE DEFENDER GETS THE CHANCE TO KNOCK THE BALL OUT FOR AN INCOMPLETION?! THIS IS A PUSSIFIED LEAGUE!"
DakotaT  
#30 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 1:49:38 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
ur logic is terrible....

"WHAT THE DEFENDER GETS THE CHANCE TO KNOCK THE BALL OUT FOR AN INCOMPLETION?! THIS IS A PUSSIFIED LEAGUE!"


My point is that if it is an instantanious touchdown for the ball carrier reaching it across the goaline, then the same rule should apply for the pass and reception. If you braniacs can't understand that intense scenario, I guess I'll digress. FFFUUUUUCK!!
Zero2Cool  
#31 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 1:59:23 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
A catch, possession plus one and second foot down; so why does a defender get the right to come jar the ball out when the catch is in the end zone. If the flimsy ass touchdown by the running back counts, so to should the quick catch in the end zone. My old school thinking tells me the ball carrier or receiver should have to have their body in the end zone for it to count, but then again, this is a pussified league in a pussified world.


You realize you're the one pussify things right? You don't want the defender to have a chance to dislodge the ball? That's awfully pussy of you. Why you such a pussy? You have no old school way of thinking so quit that high horse right now. You obviously no nothing of the rules of 'old school'.

There is no such thing as a quick catch. You either catch it, or don't. Remember Seahawks game?

No question, I'm in the room that there are too many rules. It's one thing that's attracting me to College ball more. It seems things are more black/white than in the NFL. I blame money for ruining the NFL. I would love an NFL like the one Jack Lambert played in. You probably don't know who that is do you young buck? He was a fearless middle linebacker who took shit from no one. Google him boy!
Pack93z  
#32 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 2:01:17 PM(UTC)
The act of a catch in the game of football is more complex than 300 level trig formulas.. I think purposely done to give the NFL the grey area needed to explain any blown call.
DakotaT  
#33 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:10:46 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
You realize you're the one pussify things right? You don't want the defender to have a chance to dislodge the ball? That's awfully pussy of you. Why you such a pussy? You have no old school way of thinking so quit that high horse right now. You obviously no nothing of the rules of 'old school'.

There is no such thing as a quick catch. You either catch it, or don't. Remember Seahawks game?

No question, I'm in the room that there are too many rules. It's one thing that's attracting me to College ball more. It seems things are more black/white than in the NFL. I blame money for ruining the NFL. I would love an NFL like the one Jack Lambert played in. You probably don't know who that is do you young buck? He was a fearless middle linebacker who took shit from no one. Google him boy!


You are one confused mother fucker. My point is that if you are going to give that pussy touchdown for reaching the ball over the goalline, then you have to give the receiver the touchdown for the catch to be consistent. I don't think Mcmillian deserved the penalty, but even if he had dislodged the ball, they would have ruled it a touchdown cause he had already crossed the goal line with possession.

And FYI Zero, every time you give me one of your authority little grandstand gestures, I just giggle. What you're trying to accomplish with those is futile.

Zero2Cool  
#34 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 8:51:57 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
You are one confused mother fucker. My point is that if you are going to give that pussy touchdown for reaching the ball over the goalline, then you have to give the receiver the touchdown for the catch to be consistent. I don't think Mcmillian deserved the penalty, but even if he had dislodged the ball, they would have ruled it a touchdown cause he had already crossed the goal line with possession.

And FYI Zero, every time you give me one of your authority little grandstand gestures, I just giggle. What you're trying to accomplish with those is futile.



If the defender dislodged the ball, it would not have been ruled a touchdown. Do you even watch the games? Know the rules or just pretend your words are gospel while pounding your chest boy? That's right, I said it! NFL Rulebook, Google it, study it and come back when you've learned something!

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Porforis  
#35 Posted : Saturday, December 1, 2012 9:11:27 PM(UTC)
yooperfan  
#36 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 6:02:03 AM(UTC)
Flag football! That will solve the problem.
PackFanWithTwins  
#37 Posted : Sunday, December 2, 2012 9:06:19 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
Well, I guess if Baltimore could get screwed out of going to the super bowl by a guy stripping the ball after possession then the Giant receiver could have had it jarred loose. Please explain to me why it should be touchdown when a running back reaches the ball over the goal line and has it knocked out of his hands. Shouldn't that be a fumble then?


Its simple. Ball carrier in the field of play with possession, when the ball touches the plane of the endzone, it is a TD. When a player does not have possession, they can be hit to prevent gaining possession,whether in the field of play or end zone.
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