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Offline doddpower  
#46 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:11:57 PM(UTC)

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musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
Packers' OT is raising some good points right now. If you want Capers fired then...

1) Who do you replace Capers with?
2) the roster is currently built for a 3-4 and even for a 3-4 they are dangerously thin at the line, and deep with servicable talent at lb.

So who is the better 3-4 coach out there, and do you consider a personnel and scheme overhaul in the offseason?

I'm not saying don't fire capers, but it's not as easy as, get rid of him and it's an easy clean upgrade



Of course it's not easy. Firing a coach doesn't instantly make a team better in anyway. I feel as if that's rhetorical. It's a risk vs. reward approach. It's not up for us fans to decide who to replace Capers with. That's up to the guys getting paid to do so and who have a detailed knowledge of whats out there. If they truly feel it would absolutely not be possible to upgrade from Capers, then yeah, I guess you ride him out for one more season and see what happens. As I said earlier though, I find it hard to believe that there is not a single coach out there that couldn't at least coach close to Capers level. He could, perhaps, be even better. That's always the risk an organization takes when making a new hire, just like the Packers did when hiring Mike McCarthy. When intelligent decisions are made though, it can often work out nicely.
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#47 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:23:38 PM(UTC)

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Of course it's not easy. Firing a coach doesn't instantly make a team better in anyway. I feel as if that's rhetorical. It's a risk vs. reward approach. It's not up for us fans to decide who to replace Capers with. That's up to the guys getting paid to do so and who have a detailed knowledge of whats out there. If they truly feel it would absolutely not be possible to upgrade from Capers, then yeah, I guess you ride him out for one more season and see what happens. As I said earlier though, I find it hard to believe that there is not a single coach out there that couldn't at least coach close to Capers level. He could, perhaps, be even better. That's always the risk an organization takes when making a new hire, just like the Packers did when hiring Mike McCarthy. When intelligent decisions are made though, it can often work out nicely.


And I agree with what you're saying, and I'm not saying I'm not for firing Capers...It's just that it's the it's the easy knee jerk solution, but then what's the exit strategy? We're seeing with the eagles who swung and missed with 3 hc candidates. The debate is the same with romo, who else do you draft or bring in at this point?

Again, maybe there is someone else out there, quite frankly, as you alluded to, I have better things to do than to scout dc candidates lying in the weeds, I'm just saying we cant assume (necessarily) the grass is greener even if our grass may be a little brown.
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#48 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:27:41 PM(UTC)

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Again, maybe there is someone else out there, quite frankly, as you alluded to, I have better things to do than to scout dc candidates lying in the weeds, I'm just saying we cant assume (necessarily) the grass is greener even if our grass may be a little brown.


heh, yeah, that's where I'm at. Definitely better ways to spend ones time. I"m just sticking with my opinion that I would be very surprised if there wasn't someone out there that couldn't do a similar job as Capers. Is there really not a single other coach that could hold an opposing team to under 500 yards and 40 points in the divisional round of the playoffs with the Packers talent? Maybe not, but that would be surprising to me.

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#49 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:40:40 PM(UTC)

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I'm in favor of a switch at defensive coordinator. Our defense needs a more aggressive philosophy. All the great defenses in the league have a swagger about them as if they won't take shit from anybody, such as the Seahawks, 9ers, Steelers. Our defense continues to get pushed around and seems too content on going for the strip instead of laying the wood on a player. I don't care how talented offensive players are, if the defense continues to hit them everytime they get the ball it will affect them. This mentality has to be taught to a team from the start of OTA's. Dom Capers is not the coach who will do that.
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#50 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:52:26 PM(UTC)

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I'm in favor of a switch at defensive coordinator. Our defense needs a more aggressive philosophy. All the great defenses in the league have a swagger about them as if they won't take shit from anybody, such as the Seahawks, 9ers, Steelers. Our defense continues to get pushed around and seems too content on going for the strip instead of laying the wood on a player. I don't care how talented offensive players are, if the defense continues to hit them everytime they get the ball it will affect them. This mentality has to be taught to a team from the start of OTA's. Dom Capers is not the coach who will do that.


This seems more personnel related than coaching. If you're small, weak, and can't disengage from blocks, you're done right there.
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#51 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:01:35 AM(UTC)

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Our D did next to nothing to adjust for the 2nd half. If you are getting burned by an offense for the first 30 minutes - wouldn't it be obvious that things have to be done differently? Consider that most of us just sitting on the couch playing Madden have the intelligence to switch things up when needed.[duh]

Ok ok, I know that being a DC and playing a video game are quite different - the point being that we as fans know when things need to be adjusted - - Why does this concept seem so difficult for Capers?

While I am not saying they should fire Dom, it should be considered. It would be hard to believe that the average DC could get less production than we have seen the past 2 seasons. It is especially alarming when other team's fans are saying the guy has to go.

From a fan perspective, we deserve better. I personally want him gone, but the guys in the office know the situation better than us.

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#52 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:33:20 AM(UTC)

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Mike Singletary maybe? I don't know, being a former Bear and all, but he's coaching linebackers for the Vikings.
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#53 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:38:03 AM(UTC)

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Mike Singletary maybe? I don't know, being a former Bear and all, but he's coaching linebackers for the Vikings.


Meh...I'd rather go with someone who can keep his pants up during halftime.

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#54 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:24:18 AM(UTC)

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It is easy to point to Capers, especially when his defenses have broken Packers records for futility.

I see this as more of a combination of personnel inadequacies and coaching deficiencies, on both sides of the ball. McCarthy certainly did his defense no favors by calling a mere 13 rushing plays! How the fuck does be expect to control the clock? The game? That was foolish, and he wore out his own defense.

Capers has to own some of this too. Lack of adjustments was glaring.

Thompson needs to own this as well. We looked like boys amongst men vs. both SF (twice), SEA, and NYG. Our personnel simply is not matching up against these much bigger, faster teams.

Who on our DL is to be feared as a pass rushing force? Name one player...
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#55 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:31:07 AM(UTC)

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Start scouring the college coaching ranks. Harbaugh brought with him his DC from Stanford.
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#56 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:38:25 AM(UTC)

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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
It is easy to point to Capers, especially when his defenses have broken Packers records for futility.

I see this as more of a combination of personnel inadequacies and coaching deficiencies, on both sides of the ball. McCarthy certainly did his defense no favors by calling a mere 13 rushing plays! How the fuck does be expect to control the clock? The game? That was foolish, and he wore out his own defense.

Capers has to own some of this too. Lack of adjustments was glaring.

Thompson needs to own this as well. We looked like boys amongst men vs. both SF (twice), SEA, and NYG. Our personnel simply is not matching up against these much bigger, faster teams.

Who on our DL is to be feared as a pass rushing force? Name one player...


Perhaps with regard to the Green Bay Packers personnel deficiencies, which are fairly obvious especially on both O and D lines, perhaps Ted Thompson is really not the draft guru that many make him out to be.
And we (most of us) know that he cowers in the face of freeagency.
Yeah, yeah, I know, Pickett and Woodson and (ahem) Saturday blah blah blah.


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#57 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:39:28 AM(UTC)

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Who on our DL is to be feared as a pass rushing force? Name one player...


Sean Jones? Tim Harris? They may be better options at this point.
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#58 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:53:12 AM(UTC)

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Who on our DL is to be feared as a pass rushing force? Name one player...


OLB are supposed to be the pass rushing forces in a 3-4 defense. List off DL whom are a pass rushing force to be feared from other 3-4 defenses. I can think of only Haoli Ngata and I spelled his name wrong.
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#59 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:22:43 AM(UTC)

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OLB are supposed to be the pass rushing forces in a 3-4 defense. List off DL whom are a pass rushing force to be feared from other 3-4 defenses. I can think of only Haoli Ngata and I spelled his name wrong.


Great point. JJ Watt, Antonio Smith. Pretty much it.

Maybe we are not running the right scheme. Even the Patriots switched back to a 4-3 defense. I think the only teams still in the playoffs running a 3-4 are HOU and BAL.

Lets take it one step further and include the LBs.

Is there anyone rushing the passer not named Matthews that any team fears on the Packers?

Lets face facts. We've gone 2 years now without a legitimate pass rusher opposite Clay Matthews. Lame.
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Great point. JJ Watt, Antonio Smith. Pretty much it.

Maybe we are not running the right scheme. Even the Patriots switched back to a 4-3 defense. I think the only teams still in the playoffs running a 3-4 are HOU and BAL.

Lets take it one step further and include the LBs.

Is there anyone rushing the passer not named Matthews that any team fears on the Packers?

Lets face facts. We've gone 2 years now without a legitimate pass rusher opposite Clay Matthews. Lame.


Lame, it's unacceptable. I understand there were injuries, but Nick Perry is not a 3-4 OLB because of his limitations in coverage. We need to convert back to a 4-3 defense with Perry being a DE and Mike Neal on the other side. In the middle you go with Pickett, Raji, Wilson, and Daniels. Matthews could play any of the linebacker positions and some DE as well.
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