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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:20:17 PM(UTC)
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The defense has to be rebuilt. We need more power up front. The offensive line of the niners is way to o strong. We need a defense like the Seahawks.

Aaron has peaked, sad for me to say,
Alex smith was leading stats and got pulled for is guy, you can see why,
Kaepernick is the future and it is now.

This happened to Farve too.
The team had to be rebuilt during his prime years after losing to Denver and San Francisco.
Looks like it needs to happen again, or else Aaron may be a one Super Bowl guy like Favre.

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#2 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:45:36 PM(UTC)
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Pick up Osi Umenyiora and see what he has left. Move up in the draft. Packers need a guy on the line who is disruptive (like Jared Allen, JPP, Justin Tuck, JJ Watt, etc.).
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Offline RajiRoar  
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:46:18 PM(UTC)
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I keep trying to type stuff..

But I can't without extreme bitching.. So I'm out for a while.


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Offline RajiRoar  
#4 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:50:13 PM(UTC)
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1 more note actually.

This team cannot be the "Green Bay Rodgers" anymore

No D
No running game


The guy has no help if he has a bad day.


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Offline musccy  
#5 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 9:58:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
The defense has to be rebuilt. We need more power up front. The offensive line of the niners is way to o strong. We need a defense like the Seahawks.

Aaron has peaked, sad for me to say,
Alex smith was leading stats and got pulled for is guy, you can see why,
Kaepernick is the future and it is now.

This happened to Farve too.
The team had to be rebuilt during his prime years after losing to Denver and San Francisco.
Looks like it needs to happen again, or else Aaron may be a one Super Bowl guy like Favre.



Aaron has PEAKED?!? Did Kappernick peak at Seattle?!? What evidence do you have to support this?

I will admit this b.s. read option horse shit offense is taking over the league and I have no clue how you stop it, but it doesn't mean Aaron is "peaked". Brady and Manning are 2 favorites for MVP even this year and they're as mobile as a marble statue.
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Offline dyeah_gb  
#6 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:04:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
Aaron has PEAKED?!? Did Kappernick peak at Seattle?!? What evidence do you have to support this?

I will admit this b.s. read option horse shit offense is taking over the league and I have no clue how you stop it, but it doesn't mean Aaron is "peaked". Brady and Manning are 2 favorites for MVP even this year and they're as mobile as a marble statue.


I think Rodgers played as good this year as last year. I do maybe question a bit of his intelligence or ability to learn from his mistakes at this point. For example, the INT going for the money shot to Nelson 40+ yds down the field on 3rd down. It is hard to tell how much this is Rodgers or the offensive scheme though.
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Offline blueleopard  
#7 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:04:58 PM(UTC)
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NO NFL DEFENSE CAN STOP THE READ-OPTION... YET.

Until somebody figures it out, we can't be hoping to beat San Francisco. The only way to stop the read-option is to also have an offense that has the read-option. The only team that has that is Seattle, and I fucking hate Seattle.

Do we need to re-load? Yeah, we might need faster inside linebackers like SF has. But I think Shields and Hayward are our corners of the future. Tramon needs to watch for the ball instead of trying to stop his opposition.

On offense, we need better offensive linemen. Maybe it's the scheme. I don't know, but Rodgers can't be running around all the time.
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Offline shield4life  
#8 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:06:31 PM(UTC)
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We need bigger o-line, we need to pick a more impact RB. More physical CB to match up well against WR that are monsters.Another MLB & D-Linemen!
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Offline rabidgopher04  
#9 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:09:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shield4life Go to Quoted Post
We need bigger o-line, we need to pick a more impact RB. More physical CB to match up well against WR that are monsters.Another MLB & D-Linemen!


I would be more than happy to roll with DuJuan Harris again. He's looked better and better the more he played.
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Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#10 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:29:40 PM(UTC)
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I agree with others that the read option offense has no answer right now.
I also agree that Seattle also runs it and they are the most annoying team in a long time.

ThAt being said, the Seattle athletic defense is the blueprint to follow.
You need athletic, powerful dlineman. Easier said than done to find.
Green Bays offensive line also needs to be rebuilt.

All of this we all seem to agree,

When I say Aaron has peaked, I mean, the future of the NFL looks like Kaepernick, RG3 and Russell Wilson.

Brady, Rodgers, and Manning are still at the top of their games, but going back to the read option thing, there is a dynamic QB blueprint that defenses have not been able to solve.

The QB play of Rodgers, Brady, and Manning don't have that element, and that's why there is a ceiling or peak. This is why Harbaugh benched alex smith for Kap. That is why I said Aaron has peaked. He is not going to get any faster. He is as good as he can be.

The landscape of the NFL has changed in a matter of 3 years since the Green Bay Super Bowl.

Like the last poster said, we will need to incorporate a dynamic player, and develop a super athletic D to compete with teams like the niners or Seahawks or another Super Bowl will be out of reach for a long time.

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Offline doddpower  
#11 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:52:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
I agree with others that the read option offense has no answer right now.
I also agree that Seattle also runs it and they are the most annoying team in a long time.

ThAt being said, the Seattle athletic defense is the blueprint to follow.
You need athletic, powerful dlineman. Easier said than done to find.
Green Bays offensive line also needs to be rebuilt.

All of this we all seem to agree,

When I say Aaron has peaked, I mean, the future of the NFL looks like Kaepernick, RG3 and Russell Wilson.

Brady, Rodgers, and Manning are still at the top of their games, but going back to the read option thing, there is a dynamic QB blueprint that defenses have not been able to solve.

The QB play of Rodgers, Brady, and Manning don't have that element, and that's why there is a ceiling or peak. This is why Harbaugh benched alex smith for Kap. That is why I said Aaron has peaked. He is not going to get any faster. He is as good as he can be.

The landscape of the NFL has changed in a matter of 3 years since the Green Bay Super Bowl.

Like the last poster said, we will need to incorporate a dynamic player, and develop a super athletic D to compete with teams like the niners or Seahawks or another Super Bowl will be out of reach for a long time.




Eh, I think defenses will adjust to the read option. Sure, it might always have a place, but just like so many other offensive "fads," defenses eventually catch up. The most ideal blue-print in the NFL will always be to have an intelligent pocket-style passer that is in complete control of the offense. Any ability to run and such is just an added bonus. I'll believe in the "running QB" style of offense when there is a large enough data set of Super Bowl championships to support it.

The 49'ers just have an amazing amount of talent across the board, offense, defense, and even special teams (at least usually, but certainly their punter). As was said in the game, most every team in the league would love to have such a powerful offensive line. They make absolutely everything else the rest of the offense does easier. They also have an elite defense with elite players at every level. It's just a lot to match up with. To me, it still comes down to talent more than anything, followed by execution. Tonight, the 49'ers executed almost perfectly and the Packers did not. Therefore, the end result is not surprising at all. Overall, the 49'ers are a more talented team than the Packers, so the Packers simply don't have the room to not execute properly and expect to win.
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Offline musccy  
#12 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:57:14 PM(UTC)
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Nail on the head doddpower. First, although tough to admit, it's clear the 49'ers are a better team. They clearly demonstrated that twice this year.

Also, the wildcat was once the read option, but that was stopped. You need tremendous discipline and athleticism at the edges to stop it, but I think it can be stopped...if for no other reason franchise qbs will get creamed/injured such as vick was in his heyday or rg3
Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#13 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:14:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: musccy Go to Quoted Post
Nail on the head doddpower. First, although tough to admit, it's clear the 49'ers are a better team. They clearly demonstrated that twice this year.

Also, the wildcat was once the read option, but that was stopped. You need tremendous discipline and athleticism at the edges to stop it, but I think it can be stopped...if for no other reason franchise qbs will get creamed/injured such as vick was in his heyday or rg3


Kaepernick is not a terrible passer like Vick is/was. Rg3 takes too many risks to injure himself but is also a good pocket passer.

My point was that Kap was not just a runner. Look at his QB rating. He was just as much a pocket passer as Aaron was tonight. Russell Wilson is also a good pocket passer too.

Their athleticism separates them from the current crop of pocket pass leaders, Brady, manning, and Rodgers.

My point is that Jim Harbaugh knew that if the niners played in the playoffs wih Alex smith, even with their better talent, they may not have won. They won because of the defense, oline, AND Kaepernicks ability to PASS and RUN more dynamically than Alex Smith.

The body of work to prove this is right in front of us. Either Russell or Kaepernick will be in the Super Bowl.

This is not like the wildcat. The wildcat was predicated on maximizing mediocre passers with their running ability. Wildcat packages were not around real QBs. These new young guns are for real.

These guys are terrific pocket passers with superior athleticism.

We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.
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Offline doddpower  
#14 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:20:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.


As I said, I'll believe that when I see a substantial data set. Until then, this is nothing but conjecture on your part. Even if Kap or Russel Wilson wins the Super Bowl this season, it still won't prove much. It will take more than one Championship. My money is still on the Patriots, as there's not a QB left I'd trust more than Brady in the Super Bowl. Moreover, the success has as much or more to do with everyone around the QBs as it does the actual QBs themselves. The Seahawks and 49'ers have been amazing examples of all around team play, much more so than the traditional Brady, Peyton Manning, or even Aaron Rodgers led teams have been in the past. That's always been a great recipe for success, and is nothing new at all, especially the elite defense.

Offline Cal2GreenBay  
#15 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:22:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Cal2GreenBay Go to Quoted Post
Kaepernick is not a terrible passer like Vick is/was. Rg3 takes too many risks to injure himself but is also a good pocket passer.

My point was that Kap was not just a runner. Look at his QB rating. He was just as much a pocket passer as Aaron was tonight. Russell Wilson is also a good pocket passer too.

Their athleticism separates them from the current crop of pocket pass leaders, Brady, manning, and Rodgers.

My point is that Jim Harbaugh knew that if the niners played in the playoffs wih Alex smith, even with their better talent, they may not have won. They won because of the defense, oline, AND Kaepernicks ability to PASS and RUN more dynamically than Alex Smith.

The body of work to prove this is right in front of us. Either Russell or Kaepernick will be in the Super Bowl.

This is not like the wildcat. The wildcat was predicated on maximizing mediocre passers with their running ability. Wildcat packages were not around real QBs. These new young guns are for real.

These guys are terrific pocket passers with superior athleticism.

We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.


You can't count on the mobile QBs getting injured to prove the traditional pocket passer is still the best way.
Kaepernick doesn't run like a running back and seek contact like Vick and Rg3. I saw more savvy than that,

Vick was never a cerebral QB and while his abilities suggested he could redefine the QB position. Ultimately he was more athlete than great QB.

Kap and Wilson are not like that. It's actualy pretty exciting to witness. I just am sad that it was at the expense of the packers. One of these new young pocket passing, althletic QBs, is going to redefine the QB position in the way Vick failed to do.

Stay tuned...we will just have to see.
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