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Offline doddpower  
#11 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:52:15 PM(UTC)
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Cal2GreenBay said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree with others that the read option offense has no answer right now.
I also agree that Seattle also runs it and they are the most annoying team in a long time.

ThAt being said, the Seattle athletic defense is the blueprint to follow.
You need athletic, powerful dlineman. Easier said than done to find.
Green Bays offensive line also needs to be rebuilt.

All of this we all seem to agree,

When I say Aaron has peaked, I mean, the future of the NFL looks like Kaepernick, RG3 and Russell Wilson.

Brady, Rodgers, and Manning are still at the top of their games, but going back to the read option thing, there is a dynamic QB blueprint that defenses have not been able to solve.

The QB play of Rodgers, Brady, and Manning don't have that element, and that's why there is a ceiling or peak. This is why Harbaugh benched alex smith for Kap. That is why I said Aaron has peaked. He is not going to get any faster. He is as good as he can be.

The landscape of the NFL has changed in a matter of 3 years since the Green Bay Super Bowl.

Like the last poster said, we will need to incorporate a dynamic player, and develop a super athletic D to compete with teams like the niners or Seahawks or another Super Bowl will be out of reach for a long time.




Eh, I think defenses will adjust to the read option. Sure, it might always have a place, but just like so many other offensive "fads," defenses eventually catch up. The most ideal blue-print in the NFL will always be to have an intelligent pocket-style passer that is in complete control of the offense. Any ability to run and such is just an added bonus. I'll believe in the "running QB" style of offense when there is a large enough data set of Super Bowl championships to support it.

The 49'ers just have an amazing amount of talent across the board, offense, defense, and even special teams (at least usually, but certainly their punter). As was said in the game, most every team in the league would love to have such a powerful offensive line. They make absolutely everything else the rest of the offense does easier. They also have an elite defense with elite players at every level. It's just a lot to match up with. To me, it still comes down to talent more than anything, followed by execution. Tonight, the 49'ers executed almost perfectly and the Packers did not. Therefore, the end result is not surprising at all. Overall, the 49'ers are a more talented team than the Packers, so the Packers simply don't have the room to not execute properly and expect to win.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 10:57:14 PM(UTC)
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Nail on the head doddpower. First, although tough to admit, it's clear the 49'ers are a better team. They clearly demonstrated that twice this year.

Also, the wildcat was once the read option, but that was stopped. You need tremendous discipline and athleticism at the edges to stop it, but I think it can be stopped...if for no other reason franchise qbs will get creamed/injured such as vick was in his heyday or rg3
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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:14:39 PM(UTC)
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Nail on the head doddpower. First, although tough to admit, it's clear the 49'ers are a better team. They clearly demonstrated that twice this year.

Also, the wildcat was once the read option, but that was stopped. You need tremendous discipline and athleticism at the edges to stop it, but I think it can be stopped...if for no other reason franchise qbs will get creamed/injured such as vick was in his heyday or rg3


Kaepernick is not a terrible passer like Vick is/was. Rg3 takes too many risks to injure himself but is also a good pocket passer.

My point was that Kap was not just a runner. Look at his QB rating. He was just as much a pocket passer as Aaron was tonight. Russell Wilson is also a good pocket passer too.

Their athleticism separates them from the current crop of pocket pass leaders, Brady, manning, and Rodgers.

My point is that Jim Harbaugh knew that if the niners played in the playoffs wih Alex smith, even with their better talent, they may not have won. They won because of the defense, oline, AND Kaepernicks ability to PASS and RUN more dynamically than Alex Smith.

The body of work to prove this is right in front of us. Either Russell or Kaepernick will be in the Super Bowl.

This is not like the wildcat. The wildcat was predicated on maximizing mediocre passers with their running ability. Wildcat packages were not around real QBs. These new young guns are for real.

These guys are terrific pocket passers with superior athleticism.

We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:20:14 PM(UTC)
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Cal2GreenBay said: Go to Quoted Post
We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.


As I said, I'll believe that when I see a substantial data set. Until then, this is nothing but conjecture on your part. Even if Kap or Russel Wilson wins the Super Bowl this season, it still won't prove much. It will take more than one Championship. My money is still on the Patriots, as there's not a QB left I'd trust more than Brady in the Super Bowl. Moreover, the success has as much or more to do with everyone around the QBs as it does the actual QBs themselves. The Seahawks and 49'ers have been amazing examples of all around team play, much more so than the traditional Brady, Peyton Manning, or even Aaron Rodgers led teams have been in the past. That's always been a great recipe for success, and is nothing new at all, especially the elite defense.

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#15 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:22:26 PM(UTC)
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Kaepernick is not a terrible passer like Vick is/was. Rg3 takes too many risks to injure himself but is also a good pocket passer.

My point was that Kap was not just a runner. Look at his QB rating. He was just as much a pocket passer as Aaron was tonight. Russell Wilson is also a good pocket passer too.

Their athleticism separates them from the current crop of pocket pass leaders, Brady, manning, and Rodgers.

My point is that Jim Harbaugh knew that if the niners played in the playoffs wih Alex smith, even with their better talent, they may not have won. They won because of the defense, oline, AND Kaepernicks ability to PASS and RUN more dynamically than Alex Smith.

The body of work to prove this is right in front of us. Either Russell or Kaepernick will be in the Super Bowl.

This is not like the wildcat. The wildcat was predicated on maximizing mediocre passers with their running ability. Wildcat packages were not around real QBs. These new young guns are for real.

These guys are terrific pocket passers with superior athleticism.

We are witnessing a shift in the NFL. NOT a fad.


You can't count on the mobile QBs getting injured to prove the traditional pocket passer is still the best way.
Kaepernick doesn't run like a running back and seek contact like Vick and Rg3. I saw more savvy than that,

Vick was never a cerebral QB and while his abilities suggested he could redefine the QB position. Ultimately he was more athlete than great QB.

Kap and Wilson are not like that. It's actualy pretty exciting to witness. I just am sad that it was at the expense of the packers. One of these new young pocket passing, althletic QBs, is going to redefine the QB position in the way Vick failed to do.

Stay tuned...we will just have to see.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:26:24 PM(UTC)
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As I said, I'll believe that when I see a substantial data set. Until then, this is nothing but conjecture on your part. Even if Kap or Russel Wilson wins the Super Bowl this season, it still won't prove much. It will take more than one Championship. My money is still on the Patriots, as there's not a QB left I'd trust more than Brady in the Super Bowl. Moreover, the success has as much or more to do with everyone around the QBs as it does the actual QBs themselves. The Seahawks and 49'ers have been amazing examples of all around team play, much more so than the traditional Brady, Peyton Manning, or even Aaron Rodgers led teams have been in the past. That's always been a great recipe for success, and is nothing new at all, especially the elite defense.



Point Taken. We will just have to see.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:32:01 PM(UTC)
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This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I would love for us to cut AJ Hawk and sign Dannell Ellerbe from the Ravens. He is exactly the type of player we lack and have a need for. He is an enforcer who makes plays in the backfield and won't get pushed around. A combination of him and Bishop/Smith would do wonders for the middle of our defense.

This will never happen, but a man can dream.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 7:55:55 AM(UTC)
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Bigbyfan said: Go to Quoted Post
This may be wishful thinking on my part, but I would love for us to cut AJ Hawk and sign Dannell Ellerbe from the Ravens. He is exactly the type of player we lack and have a need for. He is an enforcer who makes plays in the backfield and won't get pushed around. A combination of him and Bishop/Smith would do wonders for the middle of our defense.

This will never happen, but a man can dream.


The problem with that is, Ted doesn't do trades and Bishop/Smith haven't been able to stay on the field.
D-line gets pushed around, ilb's are going to look bad because they can't get into position to make the plays.
Pickett getting nicked early in the game didn't help,I know he came back, but don't think he was very effective after getting hurt.


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#20 Posted : Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:03:42 AM(UTC)
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buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
The problem with that is, Ted doesn't do trades and Bishop/Smith haven't been able to stay on the field.
D-line gets pushed around, ilb's are going to look bad because they can't get into position to make the plays.
Pickett getting nicked early in the game didn't help,I know he came back, but don't think he was very effective after getting hurt.




raji is heavy, ur is undersized against those massive niner lineman, same with picket.
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