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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:10:09 AM(UTC)
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With Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers looking like a poised veteran in his first career start against a solid Vikings defense, the career of 49ers coach Mike Nolan could be on the brink of implosion in San Fran.

Nolan, who held final say over personnel during his first two years with the team, picked Alex Smith over Rodgers. Smith largely has been a train wreck, and Rodgers is looking early on like a keeper.

Aaron Rodgers is good, a league source opined to us on Monday night. Hes so much better than Alex Smith that its sad. . . . They picked wrong.


hah... interesting
Greg C.  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:13:19 AM(UTC)
Yep, interesting. I'm still half inclined to believe that theory about the Niners blitzing Rodgers heavily in the preseason game to avoid the embarrassment of having him put up big numbers against them on their home field. I think it was Mike Florio who had mentioned that as well.
bigfog  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:13:19 AM(UTC)
More like the 49ers brass's worst nightmare. Nolan's nightmare was accepting the job offer from a clearly inept franchise.
bozz_2006  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:14:59 AM(UTC)
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tromadz  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:18:40 AM(UTC)
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With Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers looking like a poised veteran in his first career start against a solid Vikings defense, the career of 49ers coach Mike Nolan could be on the brink of implosion in San Fran.

Nolan, who held final say over personnel during his first two years with the team, picked Alex Smith over Rodgers. Smith largely has been a train wreck, and Rodgers is looking early on like a keeper.

Aaron Rodgers is good, a league source opined to us on Monday night. Hes so much better than Alex Smith that its sad. . . . They picked wrong.


hah... interesting


Didn't McCarthy come from san Fran too? So Nolan let Mike McCarthy go? UhOH!
Zero2Cool  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:21:41 AM(UTC)
lol
zoogies  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:29:18 AM(UTC)
The only problem is that this isn't logical.

If they picked Rodgers and broke him in as a rookie, without the benefit of learning behind anybody (much less one of the greatest QBs to take the field), who knows where Rodgers would be right now?

It could just as well be Rodgers as the tried-and-done bust, with Smith as the guy who's been waiting in the wings and just now is starting to show his stuff on some other team.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:31:47 AM(UTC)
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The only problem is that this isn't logical.

If they picked Rodgers and broke him in as a rookie, without the benefit of learning behind anybody (much less one of the greatest QBs to take the field), who knows where Rodgers would be right now?

It could just as well be Rodgers as the tried-and-done bust, with Smith as the guy who's been waiting in the wings and just now is starting to show his stuff on some other team.


I think Rodgers riding the pine helped him be a better QB. I think throwing a QB in the fire right away is wrong.
bigfog  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:33:45 AM(UTC)
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I think Rodgers riding the pine helped him be a better QB. I think throwing a QB in the fire right away is wrong.


I dunno, it really depends on the person. Peyton Manning was thrown in there on day one, and he's done very well. Same can be said for John Elway.

I think it largely depends upon the player and the coaching support that they've got around him. It's painfully obvious that Alex Smith has had no support from the 49ers.

It's a shame.
Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:34:50 AM(UTC)
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I think Rodgers riding the pine helped him be a better QB. I think throwing a QB in the fire right away is wrong.


I dunno, it really depends on the person. Peyton Manning was thrown in there on day one, and he's done very well. Same can be said for John Elway.

I think it largely depends upon the player and the coaching support that they've got around him. It's painfully obvious that Alex Smith has had no support from the 49ers.

It's a shame.


I think theres a huge difference between those two situations. The Colts put players around Peyton, the 49ers have no put players around Alex Smith.
Greg C.  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:35:06 AM(UTC)
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The only problem is that this isn't logical.

If they picked Rodgers and broke him in as a rookie, without the benefit of learning behind anybody (much less one of the greatest QBs to take the field), who knows where Rodgers would be right now?

It could just as well be Rodgers as the tried-and-done bust, with Smith as the guy who's been waiting in the wings and just now is starting to show his stuff on some other team.


Excellent point. But I will point out that fans are not always logical, and sometimes GM's aren't either. Especially when the QB who Nolan did not pick grew up near the Bay Area, starred for Cal, and always wanted to play for the Niners. This just doesn't look good for Nolan.
Pack93z  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:39:47 AM(UTC)
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I think Rodgers riding the pine helped him be a better QB. I think throwing a QB in the fire right away is wrong.


I dunno, it really depends on the person. Peyton Manning was thrown in there on day one, and he's done very well. Same can be said for John Elway.

I think it largely depends upon the player and the coaching support that they've got around him. It's painfully obvious that Alex Smith has had no support from the 49ers.

It's a shame.


Agreed, it really depends on the makeup of the individual.. they have to have alot of conviction in their abilities.. and realize that you are going to struggle if you start right away at times.. but keep learning and growing.. but there has to be that commitment from the franchise as well.

I will always remember Aikman's first year.. he got pummeled endlessly.. but you could see that fire.. I think that is the fire the Packer brass this offseason.... that he was physically and Mentally ready.. sitting learning for a couple years isn't the worst thing.
bigfog  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 12:43:44 AM(UTC)
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I think Rodgers riding the pine helped him be a better QB. I think throwing a QB in the fire right away is wrong.


I dunno, it really depends on the person. Peyton Manning was thrown in there on day one, and he's done very well. Same can be said for John Elway.

I think it largely depends upon the player and the coaching support that they've got around him. It's painfully obvious that Alex Smith has had no support from the 49ers.

It's a shame.


I think theres a huge difference between those two situations. The Colts put players around Peyton, the 49ers have no put players around Alex Smith.


No, the 49ers have definately not done Alex Smith any favors. Their receivers remind me of Green Bay's back before Ted Thompson got to town. Frank Gore is decent enough, and their offensive line is average.

But, the 49ers have had what, 3 different offensive coordinators since Smith's been in the league? How's a QB, who played primarily the spread in college, ever supposed to grasp the NFL when he gets into the league, when his coordinator is constantly being changed?

The 49ers have no one to blame but themselves for Smith's failure. Bay area fans deserve better from their team.
Cal2GreenBay  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 1:06:41 AM(UTC)
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The only problem is that this isn't logical.

If they picked Rodgers and broke him in as a rookie, without the benefit of learning behind anybody (much less one of the greatest QBs to take the field), who knows where Rodgers would be right now?

It could just as well be Rodgers as the tried-and-done bust, with Smith as the guy who's been waiting in the wings and just now is starting to show his stuff on some other team.


The only problem is that Alex Smith came from a gimmicky offense at UTAH and never grasped the west coast offense..which he learned from Mike McCarthy no less.

Your explanation is logical, but the x-factor here is the acumen and talent
difference of the two QBs. A.Smith NEVER grasped this offense. Aaron did.

If all things were equal, EVEN IF Alex Smith sat behind Favre for 3 years..
it doesn't replace his lack of imagination, throwing ability(he telegraphs his throws) and his over analyzing of his reads.

That's sheer ability difference not things being equal.

You are making an EXCUSE that Aaron is ONLY succesful from his situation.
Not the case. Many have been groomed like this and have failed.

Give the guy a LITTLE bit a credit
and give Alex Smith a LOT of credit for being a bust.
porky88  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 2:43:04 AM(UTC)
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The only problem is that this isn't logical.

If they picked Rodgers and broke him in as a rookie, without the benefit of learning behind anybody (much less one of the greatest QBs to take the field), who knows where Rodgers would be right now?

It could just as well be Rodgers as the tried-and-done bust, with Smith as the guy who's been waiting in the wings and just now is starting to show his stuff on some other team.


Well you don't know what would of happen. What we do know is Alex Smith is a bust in San Francisco. So that's pretty much means everything is fair game as far as I'm concerned with Nolan.

Plus you heard grumblings that the 49ers threw the house at Green Bay in the pre season based on the fact that they wanted to make sure Rodgers looked bad due to added pressure on Nolan.

My guess is Florio is probably on to something here.
DarkaneRules  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 2:44:48 AM(UTC)
Desperate teams always seem to throw all their cards out on the table during the pre-season. That is why the Lions went 4-0.
Greg C.  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 7:21:28 AM(UTC)
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Desperate teams always seem to throw all their cards out on the table during the pre-season. That is why the Lions went 4-0.


Exactly.
zombieslayer  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 2:18:02 PM(UTC)
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I think Rodgers riding the pine helped him be a better QB. I think throwing a QB in the fire right away is wrong.


Agreed. There are many more examples of you being correct than not being correct.
brnt247  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 4:09:10 PM(UTC)
For the great players, you don't always need those few years. For players like Smith, Carr, Hasselbeck, Brunell, or Rodgers, you probably do need those years to prepare. Who knows what any of them would have done if they had been used differently. If Hasselbeck, Brunell, or Rodgers were to start as a rookie there's a chance that none of them would have been productive NFL quarterbacks, and if Carr and Smith had time to learn the NFL without being thrown to the wolves, they could end up being solid QB's just like the aforementioned.
warhawk  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, September 9, 2008 5:05:39 PM(UTC)
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I think Rodgers riding the pine helped him be a better QB. I think throwing a QB in the fire right away is wrong.


Agreed. There are many more examples of you being correct than not being correct.


I think the best thing turned our for Rodgers and probably most often would with others as well but the pressure to get that high pick in there, when they were selected by bad teams in the first place, ruins many QB's.

How many rookie QB played well on BAD football teams. Not many.
When he was chosen we were NOT a good football team. Plus, a young QB starting on a young team would more than likely spell disaster.

He was not ready physically. His arm wasn't nearly where it is today nor is his delivery which was horrendous back then. His body wasn't in the kind of shape it is today either. He looked a little on the slender side when he first got here and just didn't look like he could hold up for a whole season.

If Rodgers was put in the same position as Smith we would more than likely be talking about TWO QB's that didn't turn out. The problem with Smith is his confidence has taken a huge hit and Arod now has something to build from. Two guys going in opposite directions from the mental side of the issue.
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