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#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:54:04 AM(UTC)
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Jones is a two-time first-team Associated Press All-American in each of the past two seasons, in 2011 as a tackle and in 2012 as a center. He was the nation’s Outland Trophy winner as the nation’s best interior lineman in 2011 and the Rimington Award winner as the nation’s best center in 2012.


Sounds pretty good to me.

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:49:12 AM(UTC)
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walter has GB taking

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Green Bay Packers: Keenan Allen, WR, California
Greg Jennings will be a free agent in March. He's proven to be unreliable in terms of staying healthy, so he won't be back. The Packers consequently may target a receiver early in the 2013 NFL Draft. Keenan Allen is the top player available in this situation, so I doubt Ted Thompson would hesitate to pluck him off the board.


I am not too keen on the choice. Even with Jennings packing it up and leaving WR is not a 1st round need.

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Jesse Williams DT Alabama This pick isn't to replace B.J. Raji, but rather to find an heir apparent to Ryan Pickett. Edge pass-rushing help would be nice, but without a realistic option here, Williams offers strength in the middle and flashes penetration by putting his opposition on skates.

Xavier Rhodes CB Florida St. Can he run? That is the main question surrounding Rhodes. He is very good on tape. He's long, athletic and knows how to play the ball in the air. However, I never saw him really tested deep to gauge his top speed. If he runs under a 4.5 40-yard dash, he could go much higher than this spot.

Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame no notes

Travis Frederick C Wisconsin With Jeff Saturday likely on his way out, Frederick, who can play center and guard, could step in and help the Packers right away.

Barrett Jones OG Alabama no notes

Zach Ertz TE Stanford no notes


as the 6 choices.

It is always interesting to see what the "experts" think is a critical need. (Woodson is released so the have to draft a CB to replace him. Rolling Eyes ) If you ask the expert who else does GB have at CB, you would prob get an, idunno. Shrug
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:56:49 AM(UTC)
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I know, let's take another OT in the first round. Well what about the 2 they picked up the the past few years? idunno. Shrug

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D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama: The depth of Green Bay's offensive line has been sorely tested in 2012 with injuries to former first-round picks Bryan Bulaga and Derek Sherrod. The interior was steadier, especially since Evan Dietrich-Smith took over at center but the Packers' inability to protect Aaron Rodgers played a critical role in their loss to San Francisco. There is no simpler way to put it: the Packers offensive line lacks toughness and physicality - two of Fluker's most impressive traits.


Arthur Brown, OLB, Kansas State: For most of the season, it seemed evident that the Packers needed to add more speed on defense and that was never more true than Green Bay's loss in the playoffs to San Francisco. Brown has a nose for the ball with the position versatility to play inside or outside in the Packers scheme.

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:04:02 AM(UTC)
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this one has to be my favorite. Thanks to Bleacher Report we can see one of Mel Kiper's past mocks.

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Green Bay Packers: Eddie Lacy, RB (Alabama)

It's a deep running back class for Rounds 2 and 3, so reaching for Eddie Lacy isn't a bad idea. Although the Packers need to upgrade the offensive line, Lacy's complete skill set adds balance to Green Bay.


I guess Mel will have to explain this to me again. The draft is deep in rounds 2 and 3 for a RB. Therefore take one in round 1. If the draft is deep in the lower rounds why not actually take a RB in the later rounds where you will get good or great value for your pick? Is he saying Lacy is really a 2 or 3 but go ahead and grab him a round early? If he is gone in round 2 won't there be other RB that will work just as well?
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:56:12 PM(UTC)
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I’m driving the Barrett Jones bandwagon. I think he's vastly underrated. In fact, one of the most underrated prospects to come out in some time. When I write my mock, I'm leaning Jones to Packers. It's a good fit, and he has the personality that I believe will impress Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. I can’t say enough good things from what I saw this year.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:11:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
this one has to be my favorite. Thanks to Bleacher Report we can see one of Mel Kiper's past mocks.



I guess Mel will have to explain this to me again. The draft is deep in rounds 2 and 3 for a RB. Therefore take one in round 1. If the draft is deep in the lower rounds why not actually take a RB in the later rounds where you will get good or great value for your pick? Is he saying Lacy is really a 2 or 3 but go ahead and grab him a round early? If he is gone in round 2 won't there be other RB that will work just as well?


I'd like him as a 2nd round pick, not a 1st rounder.



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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:12:00 PM(UTC)
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A center would be optimal, yes. Cooper can play center and Jones would definitely be a good pick.

My favorites though would be Ogletree or Minter to play ILB.

Just please, not another OT. A WR also sounds like a stupid idea, we didn't miss a beat last year with Jennings gone.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:27:17 PM(UTC)
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How about a look at Dion Jordan out of Oregon?

...and how's 'bout Wisconsin lad Travis Frederick @ C in the 2nd round? < -- There's the beef ! (I always like Laughing )

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:50:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dfosterf Go to Quoted Post
I'd like him as a 2nd round pick, not a 1st rounder.





that makes more sense than the first round.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:48:21 PM(UTC)
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I think Ted will take a WR in the 1st.
If Ted haas a chance at any Wisconsin OL no matter what round he should grab him.
And he should also grab Wisconsins OL coach because campen will squander any OL talent they draft.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:14:02 PM(UTC)
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I've yet to be convinced that Barrett Jones is anything more than a good player across multiple positions. I'm not so sure he'll ever be "great" at any single position. Obviously such a versatile player would be valuable to most teams, but I'd rather have a "great" player at a single position than a decent player at three. The criticisms against him, such as him being a "technician" and lacking a nasty side just doesn't sound like what the Packers need out of their first round pick. I would love if they drafted him in the 2nd round, but I just don't think he has the nastiness needed to excel at any one position. Although, he very well good be a solid center. Otherwise, I worry he will just be a good player. Admittedly, I am no where near an expert, however. I also read somewhere that his playing weight was around 290, despite his listed weight being higher. I'm not sure how stout or strong he is at the point of attack, either.

As I said, though, I would love to see him as the Packers center of the future with a second round pick, even if it meant moving up a little.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:31:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I've yet to be convinced that Barrett Jones is anything more than a good player across multiple positions. I'm not so sure he'll ever be "great" at any single position. Obviously such a versatile player would be valuable to most teams, but I'd rather have a "great" player at a single position than a decent player at three. The criticisms against him, such as him being a "technician" and lacking a nasty side just doesn't sound like what the Packers need out of their first round pick. I would love if they drafted him in the 2nd round, but I just don't think he has the nastiness needed to excel at any one position. Although, he very well good be a solid center. Otherwise, I worry he will just be a good player. Admittedly, I am no where near an expert, however. I also read somewhere that his playing weight was around 290, despite his listed weight being higher. I'm not sure how stout or strong he is at the point of attack, either.

As I said, though, I would love to see him as the Packers center of the future with a second round pick, even if it meant moving up a little.

For what it's worth, he reminds me of Josh Sitton. He gets to the second level with ease and he finishes blocks. I can't emphasis the latter enough. He's a finisher. In this draft, I'm not sure one player is actually great. It's an underwhelming draft, so a good/safe pick is the route to take.

I also don’t buy that he falls to the second round. I think the mock drafts are behind on this guy.


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#13 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:46:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I've yet to be convinced that Barrett Jones is anything more than a good player across multiple positions. I'm not so sure he'll ever be "great" at any single position. Obviously such a versatile player would be valuable to most teams, but I'd rather have a "great" player at a single position than a decent player at three. The criticisms against him, such as him being a "technician" and lacking a nasty side just doesn't sound like what the Packers need out of their first round pick. I would love if they drafted him in the 2nd round, but I just don't think he has the nastiness needed to excel at any one position. Although, he very well good be a solid center. Otherwise, I worry he will just be a good player. Admittedly, I am no where near an expert, however. I also read somewhere that his playing weight was around 290, despite his listed weight being higher. I'm not sure how stout or strong he is at the point of attack, either.

As I said, though, I would love to see him as the Packers center of the future with a second round pick, even if it meant moving up a little.


Sounds alot like AJ Hawk. And Jordy Nelson...
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:19:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
I've yet to be convinced that Barrett Jones is anything more than a good player across multiple positions. I'm not so sure he'll ever be "great" at any single position. Obviously such a versatile player would be valuable to most teams, but I'd rather have a "great" player at a single position than a decent player at three. The criticisms against him, such as him being a "technician" and lacking a nasty side just doesn't sound like what the Packers need out of their first round pick. I would love if they drafted him in the 2nd round, but I just don't think he has the nastiness needed to excel at any one position. Although, he very well good be a solid center. Otherwise, I worry he will just be a good player. Admittedly, I am no where near an expert, however. I also read somewhere that his playing weight was around 290, despite his listed weight being higher. I'm not sure how stout or strong he is at the point of attack, either.

As I said, though, I would love to see him as the Packers center of the future with a second round pick, even if it meant moving up a little.


Just because he can play multiple positions doesn't mean he's not great at any position. I agree with porky, he looks amazing as a center. Definitely worth a 1st.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:30:26 AM(UTC)
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I can't argue with hitting the trenches with our R1. C is as big a need as NT and DE. I guess you see which position outweighs the other in draft grade, and pick that best player.

Looking at our immediate needs, I believe DE outweighs all positions. We need a really good one, and the caveat is we need "a really good one" at about 5 or 6 positions on our team: C, DE, NT, LB, S, RB.

If the choice is Jones, great. If the choice is a complete wrecking crew of a DE or a really solid C, I think I'd take the DE. EDS is a pretty good player at C. We can't say the same at DE. We don't have one.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:14:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Packers_Finland Go to Quoted Post
Just because he can play multiple positions doesn't mean he's not great at any position. I agree with porky, he looks amazing as a center. Definitely worth a 1st.


Of course it doesn't. However, that often seems to be the case. My criticisms of Barrett Jones aren't unique to me. Many others feel the same way, but it doesn't mean we're right. At this point, he just seems a little light in the pants and not quite "nasty" enough, which is what the Packers need, imo. As I said in my original post, however, I think he has the best chance at center, which would be great for the Packers. I wouldn't be so convinced he would anything more than service at OG or OT in the NFL, though. I think Peter Konz still weighs on my mind to some extent, too.

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:44:35 AM(UTC)
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I kind of blew up the thread with my other posts. Getting back on track. I had Jone as one of the players I would like to see them select. My hope is that he would slide all the way down to them in the 2nd round. That probably isn't very likely.

Here is what Walter has on him:

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Skill-Set Summary: It is clear that Jones is a versatile athlete. He is an excellent technician. His hand placement and knee bend are picture perfect. There is no doubt that Jones has done a superb job of developing his technique. He has honed it in practice while going up against many future NFL linemen like Courtney Upshaw, Josh Chapman, Jesse Williams and Marcell Dareus.

As a run blocker, Jones has the strength to push defensive linemen around at the point of attack. He is a good drive blocker to be a power-man blocker with the mobility to hit blocks on the second level. Jones could fit as a zone blocker or in a power-man blocking scheme as a pro.

Jones is rock steady in pass protection. He is quick and shuffles his feet with speed rushers while having the powerful base to stand up bull rushers. Jones really did well at left tackle in 2011, and considering the need for the position in the NFL, some teams could consider him to be their blind-side protector.



I am not an expert but a 6-5 isn't that taller than the typical C in the NFL? After a quick check of the Free agents it looks like most C are around 6'3". only 2 where taller. I have no idea if that is even an issue. Kind of like when "experts" say a guys arms a re too short. What is inside the man matters more than some of these measurements.
I know he is able to play most or all of the positions on the line but if he is the C, I don't really want him moving over to G or T during a game. I want the C and Aaron Rodgers to have a rhythm as they exchange the ball 50-60 times or so a game.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 10:55:28 AM(UTC)
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Green Bay: There’s a shortage of top-rated running backs available in this draft, and the Packers discovered a bargain find in DuJuan Harris late last season. But there’s still room to upgrade the position, and the Packers need to search for a high-upside back who can be had in the middle rounds perhaps due to a lack of polish or concerns about an aspect of his game. Four of the top seven rookie rushing leaders from 2012 were drafted in the sixth round or later. There’s backfield talent to be had past the first round, and the Packers will head out to survey the landscape of mid-round running backs available.


Call me crazy, but I still like our RBs.

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#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:09:38 AM(UTC)
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I will say it again.. especially after watching him for years on Saturday's.. if the Packers have a chance at Ball in the late second or third.. they are going to regret passing him up. Custom made back for this offense.. one cut runner, can catch out of the backfield and has enough power at 215 to give us the tough yardage.

I wasn't sold on Dayne, Moss, Davis or Clay coming out of Wisconsin.. but this kid is a different breed of Wisconsin backs.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:00:10 PM(UTC)
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I like the Barrett Jones pick. I don't know how anyone can say they don't know about the kid when he played excellent at Tackle as a sophmore. Playing ANY OL position in the SEC as a 2nd year players is saying something let alone Tackle.

I don't know how you can complain about the OLine and then say something like D-Smith did OK at Center. Newhouse did OK, Barclay filled in OK, and all that added up to "not so good".

Look at the competition along the OL with this pick.
You have Newhouse/Sherrod on the left, Bulaga/Barclay on the right, Lang, D-Smith, Sitton, and Jones in the middle.

The only two "for sures" would be Sitton and Bulaga. I wouldn't doubt Jones couldn't beat out Lang if he doesn't get his head out.

They can't replace the whole OL but you can get a better OL by pushing the players and the return of Sherrod and Bulaga and adding Jones would certainly make for an interesting spring.

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I like the Barrett Jones pick. I don't know how anyone can say they don't know about the kid when he played excellent at Tackle as a sophmore. Playing ANY OL position in the SEC as a 2nd year players is saying something let alone Tackle.

I don't know how you can complain about the OLine and then say something like D-Smith did OK at Center. Newhouse did OK, Barclay filled in OK, and all that added up to "not so good".

Look at the competition along the OL with this pick.
You have Newhouse/Sherrod on the left, Bulaga/Barclay on the right, Lang, D-Smith, Sitton, and Jones in the middle.

The only two "for sures" would be Sitton and Bulaga. I wouldn't doubt Jones couldn't beat out Lang if he doesn't get his head out.

They can't replace the whole OL but you can get a better OL by pushing the players and the return of Sherrod and Bulaga and adding Jones would certainly make for an interesting spring.



I'm sure Rodgers would freaking love it...
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:15:12 PM(UTC)
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For what it's worth (not much), Mike Mayock has Barrett Jones rated as his third best center currently.

I don't think anyone is saying the packers wouldn't like to have Jones. I'm just not convinced he would be the most talented player available with the highest ceiling, which is what I would like to see. "Safe" picks just concern me sometimes. I'm hoping for the best player available with the first round pick. Perhaps that's Jones but it very well might not be. Either way, I imagine there could be worse picks, but such was the case with AJ Hawk, too.
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Random comments in reply to several posts.

Barrett Jones... I've warmed to him. Academic All American as well as All American. As the Walter excerpt points out, he's very technically sound. He's versatile. He could get you through a game at Tackle, but let's not kid ourselves, TJ Lang could get you through a game at Tackle. That doesn't mean that you consider it anything other than an emergency option.

I think Jones would do fine at Center, but I believe his best pro position is guard. My concern at either slot is the lack of upside. Jones could start tomorrow. I think he would be rock-solid for ten years at center or guard. I think what you would get for that is an AJ Hawk-like player... a solid starter whom you like, but you've seen all he's got very early. There's nothing wrong with that, but...

Montee Ball, some think he'll produce on Sundays, some don't. I think he will. I don't think he'll be a stud, but very good value where he's likely to be selected. My concern about Ball isn't whether his game translates to the next level, but the tread. He's had a LOT of carries already. I always view runners as having a certain number of carries in them, Ball has used a lot them already.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:40:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I am not an expert but a 6-5 isn't that taller than the typical C in the NFL? After a quick check of the Free agents it looks like most C are around 6'3". only 2 where taller. I have no idea if that is even an issue. Kind of like when "experts" say a guys arms a re too short. What is inside the man matters more than some of these measurements.
I know he is able to play most or all of the positions on the line but if he is the C, I don't really want him moving over to G or T during a game. I want the C and Aaron Rodgers to have a rhythm as they exchange the ball 50-60 times or so a game.

Neither is Walter. Just look up his analysis of Jimmy Clausen. His creditability is still rebounding.

The knock on Jones is he's not exceptionally amazing at any one position. He's just good across the board. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think he'll be an all-pro caliber center. He's assignment sound, agile enough to get to the next level, and I think he plays nasty. Do you finish? This guy does. Dodd keeps mentioning 290 as his playing weight, which is a valid concern, but at 6-5, he could easily support 300-plus pounds.

His detractors like to say he's a product of Alabama's system. That Warmack made him better. I actually think it's the other way around. I think Warmack benefited from playing next to Jones this season. Some of Jones’ best tape came against LSU and Georgia. Those are two teams with first round talent on their front seven. I thought Jones and Warmack pushed Jonathan Jenkins around quite a bit. I don’t think Jones struggles with nose guards in the NFL. He’ll struggle with quickness. Nonetheless, I'm usually not this sold on any one player, but I feel very strongly (obviously) about Jones.
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Originally Posted by: porky88 Go to Quoted Post
Neither is Walter. Just look up his analysis of Jimmy Clausen. His creditability is still rebounding.

The knock on Jones is he's not exceptionally amazing at any one position. He's just good across the board. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think he'll be an all-pro caliber center. He's assignment sound, agile enough to get to the next level, and I think he plays nasty. Do you finish? This guy does. Dodd keeps mentioning 290 as his playing weight, which is a valid concern, but at 6-5, he could easily support 300-plus pounds.

His detractors like to say he's a product of Alabama's system. That Warmack made him better. I actually think it's the other way around. I think Warmack benefited from playing next to Jones this season. Some of Jones’ best tape came against LSU and Georgia. Those are two teams with first round talent on their front seven. I thought Jones and Warmack pushed Jonathan Jenkins around quite a bit. I don’t think Jones struggles with nose guards in the NFL. He’ll struggle with quickness. Nonetheless, I'm usually not this sold on any one player, but I feel very strongly (obviously) about Jones.


Talking about a system, then talk about putting Jones between Sitton and Lang. Might help him out a bit. Especially with Bulaga and Sherrod on the outside.
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