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Offline dhazer  
#1 Posted : Sunday, March 3, 2013 7:38:55 AM(UTC)
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What do you guys think about throwing a few bucks at Joshua Cribbs? We saw what a return game can do for us and he is proven and it would take Cobb off the return game and we would probably still be as good if not better.

I was just wondering what you guys would think?
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What do you define as a few bucks?
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My only concern with Cribbs is he is constantly banged up.. it seems never ending that he is on the injury report with knee/leg concerns.
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No.

The key to the return game is the people blocking. If we have decent backup talent that can block, you don't need a high priced returner. Of course being able to find quality return game blockers is open to question: since we cant even seem to find enough people who can block on offense, it's probably a crap shoot whether the team can find enough 2nd/3rd stringers from non-OL positions who can also block.

IMO, the only positions where Ted Thompson should look to free agents outside of his own are OL, DL, LB, and, maybe, DB.

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We already have this area covered with Ross. Take away that muff against the 9ers, and he did a real good job last year as Cobb's replacement. He eplodes upfield the way you're suppose to.

Isn't Cribbs long in the tooth already?
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We already have this area covered with Ross. Take away that muff against the 9ers, and he did a real good job last year as Cobb's replacement. He eplodes upfield the way you're suppose to.

Isn't Cribbs long in the tooth already?


I was thinking the same. I would rather have Ross return kicks than a FA who will be 30 before the season begins.
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Cribbs is old and special teams is dominated by young, fast bodies. Ross did fine except for the botch against SF.
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I don't want to wax too philosophical here, but returners are the single most overrated position on the field, followed closely by wide receivers. As fans, we think they have a big impact on the game precisely because their flashy plays are so rare that they stick in our memories, whereas we tend to overlook the players who do contribute on every single play. (I could go into a long explanation of the neurophysiological mechanisms that make us unable to avoid this mistake, but for now I'll just say to look up "long-term potentiation" if you are curious.)

Returners may affect the outcomes of a few games here and there, but over the course of a season, their impact on a team's win/loss record is statistically indistinguishable from zero. A buddy of mine who is doing postdoc work in biometrics applied the statistical tools of his trade (principal component analysis in particular) to a gigantic body of data and showed this pretty convincingly. Returners hardly make a blip against the background noise.

Think about Randall Cobb, for example. As fun as he was to watch, how many games were actually decided by his return skills? None. His most dramatic return performance came in a game the Packers lost. He made much more of an impact as a receiver -- but it was an impact many other receivers could have made, especially with Rodgers throwing the ball to him. Receivers are largely interchangeable parts these days.

It would be a massive waste of money to chase down another returner in the hopes of getting a few extra yards of field position. Plenty of studies have shown that starting field position doesn't have anywhere near the effect on a team's scoring potential as the pundits and talking heads make it seem.

The Packers should be focusing on revamping the positions that would make a substantive impact in every game: putting some beef on the offensive line to protect Rodgers and finding a reliable running back would be a great start. Adding another defensive back or two would be helpful as well.
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Good to have Rourke back, now to dust off my Thesaurus.com and Dictionary.com links ...
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I don't want to wax too philosophical here, but returners are the single most overrated position on the field, followed closely by wide receivers. As fans, we think they have a big impact on the game precisely because their flashy plays are so rare that they stick in our memories, whereas we tend to overlook the players who do contribute on every single play. (I could go into a long explanation of the neurophysiological mechanisms that make us unable to avoid this mistake, but for now I'll just say to look up "long-term potentiation" if you are curious.)

Returners may affect the outcomes of a few games here and there, but over the course of a season, their impact on a team's win/loss record is statistically indistinguishable from zero. A buddy of mine who is doing postdoc work in biometrics applied the statistical tools of his trade (principal component analysis in particular) to a gigantic body of data and showed this pretty convincingly. Returners hardly make a blip against the background noise.

Think about Randall Cobb, for example. As fun as he was to watch, how many games were actually decided by his return skills? None. His most dramatic return performance came in a game the Packers lost. He made much more of an impact as a receiver -- but it was an impact many other receivers could have made, especially with Rodgers throwing the ball to him. Receivers are largely interchangeable parts these days.

It would be a massive waste of money to chase down another returner in the hopes of getting a few extra yards of field position. Plenty of studies have shown that starting field position doesn't have anywhere near the effect on a team's scoring potential as the pundits and talking heads make it seem.

The Packers should be focusing on revamping the positions that would make a substantive impact in every game: putting some beef on the offensive line to protect Rodgers and finding a reliable running back would be a great start. Adding another defensive back or two would be helpful as well.


That said, I knew it was a mistake to put Ross back there in the playoffs. LOL. That clutch situation impacted our whole season.

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