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QCHuskerFan  
#1 Posted : Monday, March 4, 2013 1:34:01 PM(UTC)
In spite of the fact that I 'own' the Packers, I have never been a part of Ted's annual performance review. So I thought I would list some support why he is the best GM in football.
* Packers are relevant. He can't suck that bad or we wouldn't have that extra SB trophy. We are among the favorites to win another one next year. We own the NFC North. That's pretty good.
* Packers are not in CAP hell. There are no major mistakes impacting our CAP. He makes tough decisions like Woodson release with an eye on the future.
*Packers are a young team. While we didn't qualify as the youngest team in 2012, we're still near the bottom. Football demands youth and Ted Thompson has done an excellent job of staying young.
*Fans complain because he is failing to make the one move that will win us the next Lombardi Trophy. 10 years ago, it would have taken 10 new players to win a trophy. Now it's just one. That's progress.
***Finally, and most importantly, he can't keep members of his staff. This is probably the most important measure of what professional football minds think about TT's performance. He is losing a key man of his staff every year as they move into GM positions of their own. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Seattle, KC, Oakland are flattering TT.


I know, I know, he should sign more high priced vets. After all, that strategy has worked well for Chicago, right? Their OL is good. Great depth in their defense. Leadership evident throughout their team. Oh wait. They suck? Really? But they have all those high priced FA's?
JustinAVA182  
#2 Posted : Monday, March 4, 2013 2:03:50 PM(UTC)
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has worked well for Chicago, right? Their OL is good. Great depth in their defense. Leadership evident throughout their team. Oh wait. They suck? Really? But they have all those high priced FA's?
Possibly adding Jake Long to that list of free agents.
play2win  
#3 Posted : Monday, March 4, 2013 2:15:48 PM(UTC)
This seems like kind of a knee jerk reaction to what was mentioned about Thompson in the LB thread.

Thompson is a great GM, but he has his flaws like all the rest. Thompson seems a shrewd talent evaluator for players entering the NFL out of college. He seems to have missed a bit with his FA signings of veteran players, of which he does very little. He made incredible signings early in his career with GB with Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson. Since that time, the FA signings of any real significance to this team have been few and far between.

Say what you want, but we have players on this roster who are eating up cap room that could and should be spent on DL, LB and S in FA.

You make it sound like the only FAs available are the very highest paid. Not true. There are plenty of mid level players out there that would not break the bank, and would improve this Packers team. Will he sign any? We shall see. We've gone two full seasons without pass rush opposite Matthews. You can say Perry all you want, and I really liked the pick myself, but I thought he required more than just a draft pick to insure this was shored up. He should have added a vet. Would have taken some pressure off the kid, and given Capers more tools to work with.

I see Hawk and Finley eating huge portions of our cap, and we are simply not getting the return we should for those massive contracts. I respect Ted Thompson quite a lot, but he does have his work cut out for him. I hope he sees we need veterans added to this giant mix of youth that we have on our team. If a couple of those are high priced, what should it matter if we take care of the Finley and Hawk contracts?

Wouldn't you rather have Dashon Goldson and Osi Umenyiora on this team than those two? I would. Sign me up for some of that! Immediately.
nerdmann  
#4 Posted : Monday, March 4, 2013 3:25:39 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
This seems like kind of a knee jerk reaction to what was mentioned about Thompson in the LB thread.

Thompson is a great GM, but he has his flaws like all the rest. Thompson seems a shrewd talent evaluator for players entering the NFL out of college. He seems to have missed a bit with his FA signings of veteran players, of which he does very little. He made incredible signings early in his career with GB with Ryan Pickett and Charles Woodson. Since that time, the FA signings of any real significance to this team have been few and far between.

Say what you want, but we have players on this roster who are eating up cap room that could and should be spent on DL, LB and S in FA.

You make it sound like the only FAs available are the very highest paid. Not true. There are plenty of mid level players out there that would not break the bank, and would improve this Packers team. Will he sign any? We shall see. We've gone two full seasons without pass rush opposite Matthews. You can say Perry all you want, and I really liked the pick myself, but I thought he required more than just a draft pick to insure this was shored up. He should have added a vet. Would have taken some pressure off the kid, and given Capers more tools to work with.

I see Hawk and Finley eating huge portions of our cap, and we are simply not getting the return we should for those massive contracts. I respect Ted Thompson quite a lot, but he does have his work cut out for him. I hope he sees we need veterans added to this giant mix of youth that we have on our team. If a couple of those are high priced, what should it matter if we take care of the Finley and Hawk contracts?

Wouldn't you rather have Dashon Goldson and Osi Umenyiora on this team than those two? I would. Sign me up for some of that! Immediately.


My problem with Ted is that he lets Mike and Aaron get away with stat whoring.

He DOES sign free agents. It's just that he generally signs HIS OWN. Other than that, he picks up dudes like SAM SHIELDS, DUJUAN HARRIS, Eric Walden. Guys who come on AT A LOW COST and get it done.

Every undrafted free agent coming out of the draft knows two things: 1: They have a shot of not only making Green Bay's roster, but contributing. 2: Green Bay is a contender.

So yeah. I like Ted's way of doing things.

Here's another issue. Ted is an excellent scout and evaluator. We've got young guys on their first contracts who are playing well above what they are making. And when they get to the point where they're gonna demand a huge payday, guess what. There's gonna be an underpaid, overperforming youngster behind them.

The exception to this rule is Clay Matthews, who will get paid. I assume Aaron also will get paid, despite his detrimental self centeredness on the field.
Zero2Cool  
#5 Posted : Monday, March 4, 2013 4:23:12 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
My problem with Ted is that he lets Mike and Aaron get away with stat whoring.


Huh? I still do not understand this accusation at all.

wpr  
#6 Posted : Monday, March 4, 2013 5:23:36 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Huh? I still do not understand this accusation at all.



oh he has been going off on the so called desire for Mike and Aaron to erase all of Favre's stats ever since December. Nothing new. Nothing to see here. Move along.
play2win  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:17:31 PM(UTC)
Ted Thompson was quite shrewd in nabbing Pickett and Woodson when he did, March and April of 2006. Both were exceptional talents. At the time of the Pickett signing, he led the NFL in Tackles for DL. I believe Kampman was #3.

Hopefully Ted will do that again. The timing is perfect as we are looking to pile onto our collection of Lombardi Trophies with more, while we have Rodgers and Matthews in their primes. I would ditch the stuff that isn't working and replace it with players that will get us to the top again.

Goldson could be a key piece for us, and I think we should pull out all of the stops to make it happen. Then draft D heavy again. Fix the line. Fix the backers.
wpr  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 3:53:37 PM(UTC)
While Ted did go after Woodson keep in mind Woodson didn't go after GB. He came out of default. If any other team had shown the slightest amount of interest (monetarily) that GB did, he would not have come.
Which is why some of the other talented FAs have not gone to GB.
play2win  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:21:44 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
While Ted did go after Woodson keep in mind Woodson didn't go after GB. He came out of default. If any other team had shown the slightest amount of interest (monetarily) that GB did, he would not have come.
Which is why some of the other talented FAs have not gone to GB.


Hey wpr, all the more reason to go after the the player you really want with all the ammo you have. I agree, GB is not the most coveted place for players to play, as great as the experience usually seems to be for most players once they get there. It is not the easiest sell. And, our flame out jobs have done us no favors the past two seasons...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is the year Ted Thompson makes some major FA moves.
wpr  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 3:45:21 PM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Hey wpr, all the more reason to go after the the player you really want with all the ammo you have. I agree, GB is not the most coveted place for players to play, as great as the experience usually seems to be for most players once they get there. It is not the easiest sell. And, our flame out jobs have done us no favors the past two seasons...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is the year Ted Thompson makes some major FA moves.


If he does I will be pleased. I have said he needs to pick up a quality FA or two to augment the draft and develop theme he has.
PackFanWithTwins  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:52:20 PM(UTC)
It is time for Ted to spend. That doesn't necessarily mean mortgaging the future. He can spend, short term without impacting the future ability. Bringing somebody in, does not mean, they have to be signed long term. Even a 1 or 2 year deal, can get the team what it needs to make push today without strapping them with cap concerns later.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:19:55 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
It is time for Ted to spend. That doesn't necessarily mean mortgaging the future. He can spend, short term without impacting the future ability. Bringing somebody in, does not mean, they have to be signed long term. Even a 1 or 2 year deal, can get the team what it needs to make push today without strapping them with cap concerns later.


And here's who we should go get along with Paul Kruger.


http://profootballtalk.n...release-rolando-mcclain/


Should fix our defense up nicely. Imagine having a top 5 defense with our offense.

I know neither will be signed but this time of year is for this.
wpr  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 8:52:20 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
It is time for Ted to spend. That doesn't necessarily mean mortgaging the future. He can spend, short term without impacting the future ability. Bringing somebody in, does not mean, they have to be signed long term. Even a 1 or 2 year deal, can get the team what it needs to make push today without strapping them with cap concerns later.


They will not get any stud FA for 1 or 2 years. They are at their peak or slightly beyond peak. They are all looking for the last big contract.

There is a huge risk on their part to get a short contract thus no incentive to do so.
PackFanWithTwins  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:31:39 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
They will not get any stud FA for 1 or 2 years. They are at their peak or slightly beyond peak. They are all looking for the last big contract.

There is a huge risk on their part to get a short contract thus no incentive to do so.


Sure there is incentive for a short term contract. A Legitimate chance to win a Superbowl for one. Somebody signing a 1 or 2 year deal will make higher salary over those 2 years, than if they sign longer, those are normally setup to sound good, but have money that will never be earned.

Trades are another good way. Can bring in a player, that may have a high cap number on their current team, but their actual salary is reasonable, and that is all we would have to cover, we would not be hit with signing bonus hits because the original team eats that.
wpr  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:37:23 PM(UTC)
guys talk about wanting a ring but all most all of them for the money.
play2win  
#16 Posted : Thursday, March 7, 2013 5:59:54 AM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
And here's who we should go get along with Paul Kruger.


http://profootballtalk.n...release-rolando-mcclain/


Should fix our defense up nicely. Imagine having a top 5 defense with our offense.

I know neither will be signed but this time of year is for this.


Dakota, that's exactly the point. Making, remaking our D into one of the best in the NFL. I think we will make some moves in FA this year. Add another D heavy draft, and Capers will have what he needs, and this should be some fun football to watch.

Ted's D heavy draft last year was in response to the overall neglect in adding personnel on that side of the ball. It is out of character, somewhat, for him to jump into FA, but I think he will. He was very successful early on with Woodson & Pickett.
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