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QCHuskerFan  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:10:21 PM(UTC)
Many threads have been discussing Free agency and what Ted Thompson should do. So what is the #1 need? Is it LB? DT or S?

You can argue all you like. If you answer anything other than QB, you're wrong. It is the only position where if we suffer an injury, the year is over. In my opinion.
nerdmann  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:25:11 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
Many threads have been discussing Free agency and what Ted Thompson should do. So what is the #1 need? Is it LB? DT or S?

You can argue all you like. If you answer anything other than QB, you're wrong. It is the only position where if we suffer an injury, the year is over. In my opinion.


Harrell can get us through. We got a ton of weapons on offense. Plus Coleman is gonna get an offseason in the QB school, it's unknown how big his year 2 leap is gonna be.

Far as I'm concerned our biggest need is still OLB, then DL.
play2win  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:30:36 PM(UTC)
I don't think there is just one need that outweighs the others. To me, I see DE, DT, NT and OLB as top needs, followed by S, C, ILB, LT and RB.

Our sack totals were decent last season, but our takeaways dropped, and our run D was abysmal. We really need to shut down the run, and more size and speed up front would help. I thought we lacked athleticism on the outside opposite Matthews, and I'm a bit concerned about trusting Perry to come back all the way and make that a non-issue.

I think our O, as it stands is sound. I don't see any giant, gaping holes there in the starters. Newhouse is not the best LT, but he's not the worst either. I think EDS will be great at C. And I like DuJuan Harris. Good back.

If I had to pick one as a supreme need for the Packers it would be a top DE talent. The entire line needs solid additions at all 3 positions. I would love to get an athletic LB that we could employ as a spy against those running QBs.

If Perry and Bish can come back from injury and make significant contributions throughout the season, that would be huge! But, we need DL help in the worst way.
Pack93z  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 2:37:37 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post


You can argue all you like. If you answer anything other than QB, you're wrong. It is the only position where if we suffer an injury, the year is over. In my opinion.


We have Harrell that has been in the system for a couple of years now and Coleman which many people are raving about. There isn't a guy available that is going to replace Rodgers in free agency... and why draft another rookie when we have a young'in on the roster.

Now.. if we get late in the draft and a guy is sitting there and looking pretty.. take him.. otherwise I have more confidence in our current options than relying on a solution this offseason for the upcoming season.
PackFanWithTwins  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 3:02:51 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
Many threads have been discussing Free agency and what Ted Thompson should do. So what is the #1 need? Is it LB? DT or S?

You can argue all you like. If you answer anything other than QB, you're wrong. It is the only position where if we suffer an injury, the year is over. In my opinion.


Lets trade for Brady, Peyton and Brees. Can't have to much good depth at QB.

but then Ted will be calling me to be the LT because I'm am all they will be able to afford.

Oline,Dline,LB are our three main areas of need. Improve teh Oline, will keep Rodgers upright and improve the run game. Dline will help both the LBer and Dbs. Lbers will help the secondary and Dline.
buckeyepackfan  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 3:20:44 PM(UTC)
Biggest need?.....FIRE TED THOMPSON!!!!!!
wpr  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 4:01:47 PM(UTC)
no rookie will take the place of Aaron Rodgers . If he goes down the season is lost no matter what.

The greatest need is depth.

We have starters at every position but help is nice luxury to have every where. Some will even push for a starting position.
sschind  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 6:02:39 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
Many threads have been discussing Free agency and what Ted Thompson should do. So what is the #1 need? Is it LB? DT or S?

You can argue all you like. If you answer anything other than QB, you're wrong. It is the only position where if we suffer an injury, the year is over. In my opinion.


I understand the gist of what you are saying but if you think the the backup QB is the most important need on the roster right now I would highly recommend that Ted Thompson ignore the most important need. What I mean is there are some things that you can't do much about. Shoring up the BU QB position this season is going to be very difficult. Who are you going to get in FA? Matt Moore, Jason Campbell, Drew Stanton, David Garrard, Brady Quinn? They are the best of the bunch and I wouldn't give a plugged nickle for any of them and feel any more confident than I would with Harrell or Coleman for a few games. Draft a rookie? Anytime after the third round if the right guy is there then get him but that won't solve the BU QB position this season. There are a lot of teams in the same boat right now. Heck after looking at the QB depth charts on all the teams I can't think of maybe more than half a dozen I would rather have and they are either not available or wouldn't come cheap.

Depth is important but I dare say depth at the QB position may be less important than you think. For an elite QB like Rodgers you won't have anyone that could replace him and give you more than half of what he gives you and I dare say pretty much anybody could give you half. I'd rather have a team built so that if your backup QB has to come in he doesn't have to win games for you. Hopefully the rest of your team is solid enough to absorb a few weeks without the #1 guy and if you have to go longer than that you are probably screwed anyway.

As far as injuries, like I said pretty much every team would suffer if their starter went out. The only ones who might not are the Patriots (if Mallet has developed enough) the Texans (Yates looked pretty good and they are a running team anyway) The Titans (Hasselbeck may be better than Locker anyway) The Redskins (If Cousins' brief performance is any indicator of what he can do) and the Seahawks (if they keep Flynn around) Of course with the Patriots, Texans and Seahawks you have great teams to help the backup as well.

There are a few teams that may not suffer if they lose their starters not because their backups are so good but because their starters suck or at least are not much better than the backups. Those teams are going to be at the bottom anyway and a lot of them will be drafting QBs this year..

All in all while you do have to plan for injuries I don't think you make the backup QB position a priority if there are other more pressing needs. Which brings me to your question, I don't think the BU QB position is the most important need. I think D Line, another pass rushing LB or a safety are bigger concerns.

That's not to say I think Ted Thompson should ignore it, just that I don't think there is anyone available to make it a priority.
QCHuskerFan  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 8:09:56 PM(UTC)
I asked my question as to what is the biggest need on the roster. Not who to sign or draft. I still think the biggest hole in the roster is the backup to Arod. Packers proved they can live without Matthews, Raji, Woodson, Perry, etal last year. Still made the playoffs. Still swept the Bears. Still a good year. Think Harrell is getting us there?

Remember the game last year when Aaron Rodgers got dinged? Harrell came in. Ball was on the 0.5 yard line. Simple play. Just hand it off to the RB, right? Nope. Fumbled snap. It's not fair to use that as sole proof we have a weakness at QB, but what if we lost that game? Aaron Rodgers is out for one play and it goes bad. I have no faith in either backup.

Guess that's why I go to church Sunday mornings. Pray for AR's health!
nerdmann  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, March 5, 2013 11:35:08 PM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
I asked my question as to what is the biggest need on the roster. Not who to sign or draft. I still think the biggest hole in the roster is the backup to Arod. Packers proved they can live without Matthews, Raji, Woodson, Perry, etal last year. Still made the playoffs. Still swept the Bears. Still a good year. Think Harrell is getting us there?

Remember the game last year when Aaron Rodgers got dinged? Harrell came in. Ball was on the 0.5 yard line. Simple play. Just hand it off to the RB, right? Nope. Fumbled snap. It's not fair to use that as sole proof we have a weakness at QB, but what if we lost that game? Aaron Rodgers is out for one play and it goes bad. I have no faith in either backup.

Guess that's why I go to church Sunday mornings. Pray for AR's health!


Remember when Bishop first came in? He overpursued and Apete got past him.

Once he was able to play enough to get in the swing of things, he was fine.
shield4life  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:26:45 AM(UTC)
We're missing that #1 safety that will support the run & be good against the pass. Either then that we need some real good talent on the defensive line to put pressure on opposing offense and allowing Matthews to cause more havoc. All tho with the return of Bishop & Perry, I think that our LB are good enough to produce but if we can add that "Cullen Jenkins" type of player that's could sack and stuff the run, that would just put us a top. CB on defense I'm not to worried, because we've got a pretty talented group and if you give too much time to the opposing QB it won't make a difference how good your CB's are.

On offense we need to get a HB that wants to win, that can play the game, strong & aggressive in other words we need Steven Jackson. Either then that, just need some lineman on the o-line to help protect our leader.

Finally of course we need some better depth on QB, not to convinced with Harrell.
Zero2Cool  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 5:31:46 AM(UTC)
If your only Super Bowl rests on one player, you are not a Super Bowl team.
Glorydays  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:13:46 AM(UTC)
QCHusker, losing a starting QB would be devastating to almost every team in the league. Thats a given. Im guessing you feel like me that Harrell couldnt win a high school game. Wish we had Flynn back. I was as comfortable with him as a backup as I was in the sixties with Zeke backing up Bart. That said, I think our greatest needs are at safety, running back, and linebacker. We never adequitley replaced Collins, Ahman Green, or Bishop. Put those three guys on this team and we are superbowl champs again. If we lose Jennings and Finley we will be thin there too.
Zero2Cool  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:24:26 AM(UTC)
Glorydays said: Go to Quoted Post
QCHusker, losing a starting QB would be devastating to almost every team in the league. Thats a given. Im guessing you feel like me that Harrell couldnt win a high school game. Wish we had Flynn back. I was as comfortable with him as a backup as I was in the sixties with Zeke backing up Bart. That said, I think our greatest needs are at safety, running back, and linebacker. We never adequitley replaced Collins, Ahman Green, or Bishop. Put those three guys on this team and we are superbowl champs again. If we lose Jennings and Finley we will be thin there too.


How can you think he couldn't win a High School game when he had double digit win total in College?

I believe losing Jermichael Finley and Greg Jennings would hurt, but not as much as some may think. I think Andrew Quarless and D.J. Williams can fill in admirably for Finley and also Randall Cobb, James Jones and Jordy Nelson can eat up the catches Jennings will not get. I also think that Jarrett Boykin fella is gonna contribute a couple dozen receptions too.
wpr  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:39:58 AM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post
I asked my question as to what is the biggest need on the roster. Not who to sign or draft. I still think the biggest hole in the roster is the backup to Arod. Packers proved they can live without Matthews, Raji, Woodson, Perry, etal last year. Still made the playoffs. Still swept the Bears. Still a good year. Think Harrell is getting us there?

Remember the game last year when Aaron Rodgers got dinged? Harrell came in. Ball was on the 0.5 yard line. Simple play. Just hand it off to the RB, right? Nope. Fumbled snap. It's not fair to use that as sole proof we have a weakness at QB, but what if we lost that game? Aaron Rodgers is out for one play and it goes bad. I have no faith in either backup.

Guess that's why I go to church Sunday mornings. Pray for AR's health!


and a rookie qb will solve all those ails and more? RollEyes adding another young qb will not cure any depth issues for this year. anymore than Aaron Rodgers would have in his first yr if Brett went down. It takes time to develop a qb to play in the NFL. The only qbs that will help if rodgers goes down this year are the two currently on the roster. If you propose to acquire a FA qb the good ones cost too much money. the rest as has been pointed out already are not as good as what we have. If you want to trade for another team's backup you just made GB weak in several other positions with no one of quality to replace the ones that get injured.
dhazer  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 6:52:32 AM(UTC)
Biggest need on this team is a mean attitude. Simple enough no more of this Mike McCarthy pussy playing. Bring in someone that is physical and knows how to win. With that said we need that hard hitting safety. Spend the money Ted and bring in Ed Reed for the few years left and maybe he will rub off on some of the younger players.
Pack93z  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 7:00:58 AM(UTC)
QCHuskerFan said: Go to Quoted Post


Remember the game last year when Aaron Rodgers got dinged? Harrell came in. Ball was on the 0.5 yard line. Simple play. Just hand it off to the RB, right? Nope. Fumbled snap. It's not fair to use that as sole proof we have a weakness at QB, but what if we lost that game? Aaron Rodgers is out for one play and it goes bad. I have no faith in either backup.


So only Harrell deserves the blame for getting tripped up? I seen him do some pretty good things in Preseason.. and hasn't really been given time to do the same in the regular season. The same complaints were made of Flynn until he lit up the Lions. If Harrell completely flopped in the preseason.. I might be more apt to buy into the fret.. but when he played with more of the core guys he played alright.

Quote:

Source..

Graham Harrell had a dazzling performance that included three touchdown drives.

Graham Harrell
It was as if Aaron Rodgers had suited up in Graham Harrell's jersey. Harrell completed 13-of-15 passes for 223 yards with two touchdowns. He successfully operated a two-minute scoring drill in the first half. Gurley should've caught one of Harrell's two incompletions.

With Harrell in the game, the Packers scored 21 points in approximately one quarter of play. Any doubts about whether he'd win the No. 2 quarterback job were laid to rest after that performance.


If we want to only look at first impressions we might not have Rodgers on the field today...
play2win  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 7:06:26 AM(UTC)
I guess I'm not understanding greatest need on our team being Rodgers' backup. Anybody see how our D got thrashed by SF twice, SEA, NYG, MIN?

Sadly, we are not just one player away, but many. Raji & Pickett need legit backups to work a real rotation. We need a mauler DT, and a mauler DE with a non stop motor. We've got to get a S and at least one more LB. a thumper of a punishing RB would fit the bill too. Then there is the OL.

DL has to be a top priority. We can't win if we can't stop the other team.

DE, NT, DT in that order. Maybe a couple of DEs and move Pick exclusively to NT rotation.
Pack93z  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 7:12:25 AM(UTC)
Okay.. now to the biggest need? I think the Packers need another impact player in the box on defense.. someone else to make the defense scheme for. Raji at times can be.. but not consistently.

I don't care if he plays the line, the inside or outside backer.. but another high motor disruptive presence that forces the offense to commit extra attention to. That is an absolute must.. hopefully we have one on the roster already in Perry, Worthy or another.. but we have to find one before opening day.

After that.. I think we could use a dominate inside force at Center that will anchor the line.. a physical beast if you will. If we want to dominate on offense we have to be able to balance up the play calling some... a head knocking center would do that.. those three inside would be able to mash people..

I am higher on Marshall than most at the edge.. but he definitely in not blue chip material.. so a ass kicker out there would be an upgrade.. heck an ass kicker on the right side would be as well. Although I think Bulaga was nicked up from the start last season and was never really healthy.

I like the construction of our secondary assuming Shields is back.. I like Harris and Green in the back field, but we could use a another horse not named Starks. Sorry.. I have soured on him.. upright runner that can't stay healthy.

I also hope the Packers bring in a kicker to push Crosby this camp.. or at least pick up some of the work in camp to keep Crosby focused. Out of all the holes last season.. that might be the most overlooked was our issues in the kicking game.
play2win  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, March 6, 2013 9:09:10 AM(UTC)
Pack93z, that impact player in the front 7 is really essential, maybe two or three of them. We were that bad at stopping the run - allowing historical yardage, all-time. Coming off a season being the worst ranked D, I thought that was very disappointing. Granted, the Perry injury really, really hurt us. Worthy, I expected more from him as a rookie DT, but he played fairly well until his injury. Now, we may have him lost for all of 2013. I like Daniels and his play, a lot, but I do think he is limited in effectiveness simply by size. Walden was a major disappointment to me, as he seems like he should be so much more effective. He flashes, but all too inconsistently. CJ Wilson, kind of unremarkable. I appreciated Jones' tenure on the inside last season, and thought he played better than he ever had. Hawk too. But both of those guys have their limitations. We need players who are top performers, anywhere in the front 7, but especially on the line. Adding two top performers to our front 7 would be a huge plus.

All this talk about Harrell and Coleman, wow, talk about small samplings... How can we really say how good or bad they would be if given the reigns after a potential loss of Rodgers? Based on what? There, the point seems moot. Totally.

Offensively, I'm with you on Newhouse. He may show some big improvement in year 3. Then again, he may not, and so drafting a pure LT would not be a bad move. That, or adding a proven vet there. C, yeah, we need one, but not to start, not right away. I think EDS could be our starting C for years. That is one tough dude, and the rest of the players on that line know him well. I do think Andrew Datko has the potential to surprise us this season at OT. Barclay seems pretty decent. OL may not be as great a need. Now, OL coach? Playcalling? Both need significant improvements. We've shown ourselves to be way, WAY too predictable.

I do think we need a total wrecking crew of a RB - someone who is going to punish an opposing D. I mean, really hurt em. I can only hope to God that McCarthy has seen the light and will emphasize the run more. Given that, I'd like for us to ditch Finley, and get a more well rounded TE in there to help block. That's part of the beauty of the position, as a D has to account for a TE busting into the flat or taking off downfield after a chip. I think Finley being in there is such a liability, as his blocking really does stink. He's more of a glorified WR, one who is trending downward with regards to production, while his pay climbs into the top paid in the NFL at TE. I'd cut our losses with him and draft another. We won a SB with Quarless, and he should be back this season ready to go. Take Finley's cash and throw it at Goldson for a top veteran S addition.

Here is an interesting article on Finley's receiving production over his career: http://jerseyal.com/GBP/...ll-of-jermichael-finley/

With blocking being a huge issue regarding Finley's play, here is another article that really points to him being more of a WR, and I cannot argue that: https://www.profootballf...ht-end-or-wide-receiver/

And, this one pretty much spells the end for him in GB: http://www.jsonline.com/...y-v081e07-183664521.html

So, I'd have to say I am really hopeful for the future of this team, especially knowing we will have some money to put into some areas of our team that really need help. This is going to be an interesting month.
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