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zombieslayer  
#1 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 3:09:08 PM(UTC)
Yesterday, we beat the Lions 48-25. Yes, it was lopsided, but there's always room for improvement, especially since everyone else will be looking to improve as the season goes on. In order:

1) OL. Aaron Rodgers was incredible. The Lions were getting past our OL but Aaron Rodgers dodged bullets like a superhero back there. I guarantee you that Mike McCarthy was not happy with the way the OL played yesterday. Aaron Rodgers shouldn't have to do what he did yesterday, and our RBs also took some hits behind the line, which is not good.

2) Mike McCarthy needs to be more aggressive. We did this against the Vikings as well. We started getting comfortable and look what happened. 21-3 soon became 25-24 in their favor because we failed to put them away.

3) Safeties need to position better. This will matter when we play teams like the Cows.

Not a thing to improve, but I was wondering why Mike McCarthy kept Ryan Grant in there. What the heck was he thinking. It was obvious that Grant should have been resting on the bench and not playing football. We'll need Grant against the Cows, and we risked aggravating that injury.

Anything else anyone would like to add?
dingus  
#2 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 3:24:27 PM(UTC)
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2) Mike McCarthy needs to be more aggressive. We did this against the Vikings as well. We started getting comfortable and look what happened. 21-3 soon became 25-24 in their favor because we failed to put them away.



Fully agree, "we let them off the hook" comes to mind.

Also agree on the playing of grant, he should have sat the whole game in my opinion. I'm Impressed w/ Lumpkin and he needs the reps.
4PackGirl  
#3 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 3:26:58 PM(UTC)
definitely the OL needs improvement.

also, i think it's gonna be KEY that we don't always go for the INT but that we TACKLE the hell outta them. bat the ball away, hit em hard, whatever...just don't allow too many YAC's & i think we'll be ok.
nathaniel  
#4 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 3:37:18 PM(UTC)
Our running game seems like it's back to how it was at the beginning of last season. Tiny glimpses of light, but overall nothing spectacular. Of course, Grant being hurt doesn't help. We really need to be able to run the ball against Dallas to win. I don't want to have to strictly rely on Rodgers' arm to win the game.
zombieslayer  
#5 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 3:53:00 PM(UTC)
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Fully agree, "we let them off the hook" comes to mind.

Also agree on the playing of grant, he should have sat the whole game in my opinion. I'm Impressed w/ Lumpkin and he needs the reps.


That's the thing. Lumpy comes in, gets 19 yards on one carry. Meanwhile, Grant can't get a four yard run. WTF? Pull him and put in Jackson/Lumpy. I just don't get what Mike McCarthy was thinking.
gbpfan  
#6 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 4:28:00 PM(UTC)
if grant isnt ready for this game put lumpy in he will keep going and wear down d-line o-line needs to stop with penalties our d-line needs to be mean mean mean shake up romo and get after him alot then he doesnt play so well put jessica up in the stands with the bikini girls :icon_smile:
Packers_Finland  
#7 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 4:34:14 PM(UTC)
If Wells could get healthy we'd get that flag-magnet Moll out of there. He's a decent player, but that many flags is just unacceptable for a single player.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 5:12:36 PM(UTC)
The flags man, the flags! I think we need to assign someone to steal the refs flags just before kickoff. It's getting crazy go nuts out there man.
Greg C.  
#9 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 6:36:21 PM(UTC)
I'd love to get Wells AND Sitton back for the next game. I don't know if that can happen. Sitton is a big mauler who could help our running game, and Wells is one of our more consistent players.

The Grant injury is holding the team back as well. The good thing is that, at least so far, none of the injuries are season-ending, so there is hope that the team will be mostly healthy within a few weeks. Look what a difference it made having James Jones back in the lineup. A healthy Grant, along with Wells and Sitton, could make an even bigger difference.

Mostly what the Packers need is the killer instinct. In both of these wins, they have let the other team hang around WAY too long. I think it's had less to do with play-calling and more to do with the players being unable to sustain their intensity level. Now, of all the things we could be complaining about at this point in the season, this is about the best we could hope for, but still, if the Packers are an elite team they need to do a better job of closing the door when they get a lead.
zombieslayer  
#10 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 7:48:58 PM(UTC)
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I'd love to get Wells AND Sitton back for the next game. I don't know if that can happen. Sitton is a big mauler who could help our running game, and Wells is one of our more consistent players.

The Grant injury is holding the team back as well. The good thing is that, at least so far, none of the injuries are season-ending, so there is hope that the team will be mostly healthy within a few weeks. Look what a difference it made having James Jones back in the lineup. A healthy Grant, along with Wells and Sitton, could make an even bigger difference.

Mostly what the Packers need is the killer instinct. In both of these wins, they have let the other team hang around WAY too long. I think it's had less to do with play-calling and more to do with the players being unable to sustain their intensity level. Now, of all the things we could be complaining about at this point in the season, this is about the best we could hope for, but still, if the Packers are an elite team they need to do a better job of closing the door when they get a lead.


I'll address this point by point.
1) I love Wells for his consistency. He's consistently good, and we're really missing him right now.
2) Yeah, we should have rested Grant last week. Maybe Mike McCarthy got greedy and was thinking we could have had two 100-yard runners.
3) I put the blame for the lack of killer instinct on Mike McCarthy . Don't get me wrong, I think Mike McCarthy is a great coach, but he needs to put opposing teams away. Both games we had them backed in a corner and failed to throw that final punch.

The thing is, I think #3 will be fixed. Mike McCarthy 's good at fixing his mistakes. #2 I'm worried about because he looked awful against a team that was awful the week before against the run. #1, I guess we just need to be patient.
Greg C.  
#11 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 8:00:15 PM(UTC)
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3) I put the blame for the lack of killer instinct on Mike McCarthy . Don't get me wrong, I think Mike McCarthy is a great coach, but he needs to put opposing teams away. Both games we had them backed in a corner and failed to throw that final punch.

But it's not like they went completely conservative. At the end of the half, they were leading 21-3 with less than 20 seconds left and they went with an empty backfield and tried throwing the ball downfield. Then in the second half, they were trying to throw on first down in their own territory when Rodgers got blindsided and fumbled the ball. After that, they got stuck deep in their own territory a couple times in a row, and maybe McCarthy got a little gun-shy, but I still think it falls mostly on the players to win their battles and avoid those situations.

When you take the lead, the other team is going to play with some extra fire, and you have to be able to counter them, which means blocking the guy you are supposed to block and beating your man off the line of scrimmage when you are running a pass pattern. When the Packers got the lead on Sunday, their players stopped doing those things. I think this is a problem McCarthy needs to address mostly by changing the mindset of the players, rather than play-calling.
mkapp  
#12 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 8:18:37 PM(UTC)
how were penalties this time around?
Timmons  
#13 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2008 8:19:15 PM(UTC)
OL
Long snapping
Run blocking
Harris in Zone, I like to see more of that, what we did see for this game looked good.
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hardrocker950 (4h) : But I put it mostlt on the offense and poor playcalling
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Cheesey (5h) : Rodgers would have hit open guys. The game plan wouldn't have killed us. Less 3 and outs, and maybe some scores.
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beast (7h) : Yeah the Packers defense got wore out... being on the field so long. Giving longer breathers than 3&out would of helped a lot IMO.
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