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Offline Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 5:22:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shield4life Go to Quoted Post
Cullen Jenkins:

2010 with Packers: 11 games - 18 tackles - 7 sacks
2011 with Eagles: 16 games - 40 tackles - 5.5 sacks
2012 with Eagles: 16 games - 26 tackles - 4 sacks
2013 with Giants: Let's wait and see, doubt it will be better then 2011 season.

We can't just blame for Ted Thompson letting him slip away it's not he hit strides or something with the Eagles.


We can't blame Ted Thompson for letting Cullen Jenkins go, because Jenkins chose to go because the Packers didn't pay him huge before the market was set. This is a common trend with the Packers. Let the market set the price and then they make their offers. I'm not sure why folks continuously wanna point the finger at Thompson when this strategy has been what we see year in year out, lol. Silly people, c'mon!

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#17 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 5:29:58 AM(UTC)
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I'll explain why, for me:
Because Jenkins was not just a guy. He was an essential part of our pass rush and run D. He was nearly unblockable at the time. Ted should have broken from his tight ass checklist sequence of dealing with FAs about to hit the market, which means no communication, and simply talked to him about it. Make an attempt at getting a deal done. At the very least, let that important player know you want him back, and request a chance to match.

His style of drawing these hard lines and not engaging the player works against him and is off putting. Ted is in charge of this, and this is his system. It is too rigid IMO, and he has a responsibility to make better attempts to retain top talent.

Think Woodson isn't a little pissed about his handling?
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#18 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 5:34:08 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
I'll explain why, for me:
Because he was not just a guy. He was an essential part of our pass rush and run D. He was nearly in lockable at the time. Ted should have broken from his tight ass checklist sequence of dealing with FAs about to hit the market, which means no communication, and simply talked to him about it. Make an attempt at getting a deal done. At the very least, let that important player know you want him back, and request a chance to match.

His style of drawing these hard lines and not engaging the player works against him and is off putting.

Think Woodson isn't a little pissed about his handling?


I get that, but reports were out that they was overpricing himself, big time and when the Packers didn't just lay down and pay his demands, he got bent out of shape. When the market started to set, the Packers actually offered more than the Eagles. Then recently Cullen Jenkins says he never wanted to leave the Packers. You fucking kidding me? You took LESS money to leave!

I don't fault Jenkins for being pissed off and going elsewhere. Not at all. I won't fault him and sure as heck won't fault Ted Thompson. They both did the right thing in their beliefs.

Edit, and I do agree with the premise that it would be nice if Thompson took a little risk here and there on a player and overspend. I remember Chris Canty several years ago when Packers just moved to 3 - 4. I was saying, hey over pay a by a million or two for the guy. Get him here.

Overpaying for a RB, not a chance.

Edit2, Charles Woodson is not pissed. He is hurt that he's not a Packer, but he took it like a man. He's not pissed. He got his ring.

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#19 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 6:41:06 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I get that, but reports were out that they was overpricing himself, big time and when the Packers didn't just lay down and pay his demands, he got bent out of shape. When the market started to set, the Packers actually offered more than the Eagles. Then recently Cullen Jenkins says he never wanted to leave the Packers. You fucking kidding me? You took LESS money to leave!

I don't fault Jenkins for being pissed off and going elsewhere. Not at all. I won't fault him and sure as heck won't fault Ted Thompson. They both did the right thing in their beliefs.

Edit, and I do agree with the premise that it would be nice if Thompson took a little risk here and there on a player and overspend. I remember Chris Canty several years ago when Packers just moved to 3 - 4. I was saying, hey over pay a by a million or two for the guy. Get him here.

Overpaying for a RB, not a chance.

Edit2, Charles Woodson is not pissed. He is hurt that he's not a Packer, but he took it like a man. He's not pissed. He got his ring.



“Heading into last year, I’ve always been up there and always been a Packer, and I wanted to stay a Packer,” Jenkins said, per Jason Wilde of ESPNMilwaukee.com. “So we approached the team and wanted to get some type of security, some type of longer-term deal before the season so I would know I would be there. It wasn’t about money, it was about security, about trying to see if we could work something out.”

When asked if he would have given the Packers a hometown discount, Jenkins said, “Yeah. That was the thought then. I knew in going to them, I know Green Bay, I know the market, I know how they handle business, and the thought was if we could get something reasonable worked out, I knew I would take less than what I could’ve gotten in free agency. But they never approached me with anything and never got any type of negotiations going. It’s just how the business is. They had a lot of younger guys and felt they could move forward in that direction.”
http://profootballtalk.n...n-jenkins-expects-to-go/

The point is, GB never responded, at all. No conversation, which is truly Ted's MO, as relayed by other players released. Personally, I find that to be too rigid and detrimental to future possibilities for success. I like and appreciate Ted, but this is clearly one of his faults, one that he should change.
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#20 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 6:52:06 AM(UTC)
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Just because Ted doesn't tell YOU what he does with or says to players about their contracts doesn't mean that he does absolutely nothing.
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#21 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 6:59:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Just because Ted doesn't tell YOU what he does with or says to players about their contracts doesn't mean that he does absolutely nothing.


steve, its not me, it is the players saying he doesn't communicate with them. Jenkins. Jones. Woodson. Jennings. Even now, Finley is getting the silent treatment. Not my words. Theirs.
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#22 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:03:56 AM(UTC)
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You're completely dodging the big picture here.

Between 2010-2011 Eagles made him an offer. The Packers either matched it or exceeded it, I can't recall exactly. Fact of the matter is, he could have been with the Packers for the same money he got in 2011. Jenkins chose the Eagles.

Now he's cut by the Eagles, the team he chose over the Packers and he's being interviewed by a Packers writer. Let that sink in for a moment.

Jenkins knows full well who has got the blame for his being an Eagle and not a Packer.

Of course he's going to say he would have signed with GB for less money (appealing to those who feel players are overpaid) and continue to let the blame fall on Thompson, instead of admitting he chose the Eagles over the Packers, thus, alienating him with a portion of the fan base that he might end up playing for again? Think about this.

Bottom line, he is now a Giant and and he chose to leave the Packers. Accept it and move on.

Regarding the Packers signing ~30 year old free agents.

Thompson believes, and this is from Ron Wolf too, that you have to groom offensive players, but you can add free agent players in defense.

Offense = draft and develop
Defense = draft and develop and fill in spots with free agents


Not overpaying for a near 30 year old RB ... not much of a surprise, lol.

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#23 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:06:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
steve, its not me, it is the players saying he doesn't communicate with them. Jenkins. Jones. Woodson. Jennings. Even now, Finley is getting the silent treatment. Not my words. Theirs.


Should I piss and moan because the CEO doesn't talk to me? I have a manager for a reason, just as the players have position coaches, coordinators and head coach. This is a reach to find something to dis Ted Thompson. Why? Did he smack your kitten or something?


And what the heck is he supposed to be saying to Jermichael Finley, who signed a contract last year and is still under contract? The guy shouldn't be talking to guys under contract with the draft approaching. He should be continuing to develop his draft board and thinking of how to extend the essential core players of the team ... Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews .. for example.

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#24 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:20:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Should I piss and moan because the CEO doesn't talk to me? I have a manager for a reason, just as the players have position coaches, coordinators and head coach. This is a reach to find something to dis Ted Thompson. Why? Did he smack your kitten or something?


And what the heck is he supposed to be saying to Jermichael Finley, who signed a contract last year and is still under contract? The guy shouldn't be talking to guys under contract with the draft approaching. He should be continuing to develop his draft board and thinking of how to extend the essential core players of the team ... Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews .. for example.


WTF? I'm just talking about how Ted Thompson communicates with players contractually on their way out in GB. The players themselves have clearly stated he doesn't communicate with them at all.

In my opinion, I believe that is too rigid, and puts players off.

Finley knows there is a lot of talk publicly that he is overpaid, and clearly doesn't want to take a cut. His agent wanted to discuss the matter with Thompson. Silent treatment. No?

A reach? I'm talking about player relations. Is that not important?
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#25 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:26:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
You're completely dodging the big picture here.

Between 2010-2011 Eagles made him an offer. The Packers either matched it or exceeded it, I can't recall exactly. Fact of the matter is, he could have been with the Packers for the same money he got in 2011. Jenkins chose the Eagles.

Now he's cut by the Eagles, the team he chose over the Packers and he's being interviewed by a Packers writer. Let that sink in for a moment.

Jenkins knows full well who has got the blame for his being an Eagle and not a Packer.

Of course he's going to say he would have signed with GB for less money (appealing to those who feel players are overpaid) and continue to let the blame fall on Thompson, instead of admitting he chose the Eagles over the Packers, thus, alienating him with a portion of the fan base that he might end up playing for again? Think about this.

Bottom line, he is now a Giant and and he chose to leave the Packers. Accept it and move on.

Regarding the Packers signing ~30 year old free agents.

Thompson believes, and this is from Ron Wolf too, that you have to groom offensive players, but you can add free agent players in defense.

Offense = draft and develop
Defense = draft and develop and fill in spots with free agents

Not overpaying for a near 30 year old RB ... not much of a surprise, lol.


Really? Did the Packers really match the money PHI offered? Really? Because that is kind of important in this discussion, and that is news to me.

I do not believe you are correct Zero2Cool.
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#26 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:33:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
WTF? I'm just talking about how Ted Thompson communicates with players contractually on their way out in GB. The players themselves have clearly stated he doesn't communicate with them at all.

In my opinion, I believe that is too rigid, and puts players off.

Finley knows there is a lot of talk publicly that he is overpaid, and clearly doesn't want to take a cut. His agent wanted to discuss the matter with Thompson. Silent treatment. No?

A reach? I'm talking about player relations. Is that not important?


It doesn't put any players off. He is the General Manager, not personal relations guru. (lets be thankful for that, lol). No arguing that he has an off putting personality, but he doesn't need to be charming. If a player is going to get bent over that, seriously, I wouldn't want them on the team, ever. That is so petty to even worry over.

Finley's agent wants to discuss ... wait for it ... EXTENDING his client ... why? because extension = more money for client and agent.


Trying to pin personal relations on the GM ... that is a reach. Yes. No question about it. While he's fielding phone calls to his four dozen or so players, should he also console the other insecure individuals on the payroll too?


Each person has a role. Thompson knows his role. Thompson's role is not to be head of personal relations.



And I couldn't careless if you believe me on Jenkins. Feel free to continuing to let Jenkins slide and put the blame on Thompson. You are entitled to your thoughts.

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#27 Posted : Friday, March 15, 2013 7:44:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
WTF? I'm just talking about how Ted Thompson communicates with players contractually on their way out in GB. The players themselves have clearly stated he doesn't communicate with them at all.

In my opinion, I believe that is too rigid, and puts players off.

Finley knows there is a lot of talk publicly that he is overpaid, and clearly doesn't want to take a cut. His agent wanted to discuss the matter with Thompson. Silent treatment. No?

A reach? I'm talking about player relations. Is that not important?


Coaches communicate; GMs calculate then negotiate - when the time is right. When a deal/offer is influenced so much by market conditions - how much other free agents get and what others may offer our players, the GM should be silent until his own negotiating position is clear. As for the age thing, obviously that varies greatly case by case, and to a great extent it is a matter of luck. I'm not a huge defender of Thompson, but he has guessed right more often than he has guessed wrong, and the result is a consistent winning record.

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