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DoddPower  
#41 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 5:47:01 PM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
Not even close to my point... At no point did I say this was going to ruin the team, In fact, this year we landed players in some key positions that we needed (OT, RB, DE, + a healthy OLB)

The whole point of when I made this thread 5 months ago, was pointing out that where we currently have a weakness, we have inadequitly replaced the player that previously manned it.

The Jarius Wynn/ CJ Wilson combo for example... He have had these bad players in a position vacated by Cullen Jenkins because Mike Neal has not worked out. Leaving 1/3 of our line in the hands of people, who cannot handle it. As evidenced by their poor performance.

The "non CM3" LB has been a weakness for FOUR years, and had been manned by late rounders and UDFAs (sound familiar maybe??.) and was unaddressed until we selected perry. Unfortunately we had to wait a bit longer for him.

Is this team awful? feck no. In fact, I love the additions this year.. weve (supposedly) upgraded 3 of the __ positions i listed. But I defiantly don't believe "the best QB in the game" deserved to have his weapons come out of the "Erik Walden" pile. And that soon, the position will need to be addressed.

Not all criticism lands into a doomsday scenario.


When healthy, the Packers offense doesn't even come close to being a weakness, imo. In fact, it's the exact opposite and is a huge strength. The offensive line worries me a bit, but so long as the rookie left tackle (I don't want to try to spell his name) is adequate, the Packers will still be dangerous. Also, if the running game improves even a little bit, the offense as a whole will be better (not to mention makes things a little easier on the defense).

There's not a team in the NFL that wouldn't be weaker when missing a few starters due to injury. Give the Packers offense a competent running game, and they are going to be incredibly tough to beat every week. Not to mention, the defense SHOULD improve some this season too, which will also make this team more dangerous.

Overall, I think the Packers are in much better shape this season than they were last season. Injuries could de-rail that again this season, but that's always going to be the case. We just have to hope that the Packers stay relatively healthy. Regardless, they are still going to be in the playoffs with the threat of going deep. They are contenders, absolutely, which is all one can really hope for in the volatile NFL.
beast  
#42 Posted : Friday, August 16, 2013 6:18:07 PM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
Not even close to my point... At no point did I say this was going to ruin the team, In fact, this year we landed players in some key positions that we needed (OT, RB, DE, + a healthy OLB)

The whole point of when I made this thread 5 months ago, was pointing out that where we currently have a weakness, we have inadequitly replaced the player that previously manned it.


I understand you were just trying to point out the weakness and where we need to get stronger, but it's not always easy to just replace good playmakers all of a sudden. Especially when the GM is trying to not use FA.

And while we no longer have a Jenkin, we now have a Perry.

While we no longer have a Woodson, we now have a Hayward.

While we no longer have a Jennings, we have a Cobb

While we no longer have Collins, we have .... yeah okay so that's still a problem.
But Collins was a special player, some can't be replace quickly.


But players comes, players go... and more players come.

The bigger problem is keeping those players healthy it seems.
play2win  
#43 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:26:54 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
Not even close to my point... At no point did I say this was going to ruin the team, In fact, this year we landed players in some key positions that we needed (OT, RB, DE, + a healthy OLB)

The whole point of when I made this thread 5 months ago, was pointing out that where we currently have a weakness, we have inadequitly replaced the player that previously manned it.

The Jarius Wynn/ CJ Wilson combo for example... He have had these bad players in a position vacated by Cullen Jenkins because Mike Neal has not worked out. Leaving 1/3 of our line in the hands of people, who cannot handle it. As evidenced by their poor performance.

The "non CM3" LB has been a weakness for FOUR years, and had been manned by late rounders and UDFAs (sound familiar maybe??.) and was unaddressed until we selected perry. Unfortunately we had to wait a bit longer for him.

Is this team awful? feck no. In fact, I love the additions this year.. weve (supposedly) upgraded 3 of the __ positions i listed. But I defiantly don't believe "the best QB in the game" deserved to have his weapons come out of the "Erik Walden" pile. And that soon, the position will need to be addressed.

And as for my "artificial benchmark", it is hardly unfair for a team that passes as much as we do to have that.

Not all criticism lands into a doomsday scenario.


I totally get where you are coming from RajiRoar.

This is high stakes poker. Ted is thinking his safer route to talent replacement is draft & develop. While it DID work for us in 2010, we stood poised to win one or two more Super Bowls these past two seasons, and we came up really short in the exact areas where we lost talent, namely the DL and via injury at S.

The problem I see with a strict adherence to draft & develop is if you miss on keeping a great player from moving on in FA, your replacement in terms of true talent and effectiveness in your system may not be realized until years down the road.

Not all draft picks work out. Not all FA acquisitions work out either. But, for me, I would rather add a veteran presence at a key position of need via FA to insure an NFL level of play and competency, one that may pay real dividends now, while Rodgers et al are hot, vs. waiting 2 or 3 years for your draft class to develop into another hopeful winner.

Here we are 3 years after drafting Neal, hoping he turns into something? We've got a rookie in Datone, who is very promising, but, it is 3 years later... And Perry... That hasn't been the fix to this point either.

We have to hope our players continue to develop, while Rodgers, Matthews, Jones, Raji, Finley are in their prime.

Personally, I wish we had just a bit more balance in talent acquisition: draft & develop + adding a top FA talent or two every year or two. Just to even it out. I think we are always too young. Far too young.
warhawk  
#44 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:13:32 AM(UTC)
When you look at the WR position it is hard for me to see anyone dogging Ted Thompson there. We have a good WR core. Jennings was getting to that last contract stage where Ted has always been cautious and history has pretty much been on his side. Most the players that were on the downward side wanting big bucks that he has let slide have not proven to be a huge mistake to let go.

You have to look at the big picture when your in Ted's shoes. Yes, Jennings moved on. What did you want Ted to do? Use a high draft pick the following spring when you have other good WR's and need DL and RB help? Would the team be better off right now with immediately going after a talent matching Jennings in his hey days or bringing in Jones and Lacy and OL help? I think not.

Considering the talent on the roster Ted made the moves this team needed AT THIS TIME. Who brought Jennings here in the first place? Followed by Nelson, Jones, Finley, Cobb. Simply put Jennings was a 2nd round pick that had 1st round talent but if Ted had gone early to replace him and NOT taken Jones or Lacy I would have jumped thru the screen and strangled Ted Thompson myself.

I highly doubt this group of WR's puts up puny numbers but if that were the case I am sure Ted Thompson will go to the well next year and deal with it. For now I am anxiously awaiting seeing Jones in opposing backfields and Lacy slicing and bulling over defenses thank you very much.


steveishere  
#45 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:59:42 AM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post


And as for my "artificial benchmark", it is hardly unfair for a team that passes as much as we do to have that.


You mean a team that hasn't even been in the top 10 in passing attempts since 2009.
Gaycandybacon  
#46 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:41:16 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
You mean a team that hasn't even been in the top 10 in passing attempts since 2009.


That's odd.. 2009 is when we actually ran the ball well.
Cheesey  
#47 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:17:39 AM(UTC)
Let's look at other teams in the league and compare them to what the Packers have done the last few years.
Many teams would have loved just to make the playoffs. Lets face it, we are spoiled.
And you can't keep every player. You see guys team-jumping for "mo money" every year. And as far as Jennings, it became pretty obvious to me that he was NOT happy, and would have been a distraction on the team had he stayed here. The crap his sister spewed i would guess came from Jennings himself.
He's got such an inflated ego now, he will probably burst.

I never thought he would turn out to be another T.O or Randy "ME ME ME!" Moss.
PackerTraxx  
#48 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:57:36 AM(UTC)
But we would like to be spoiled a little more with a few more SBs. \:d/

...and I won't miss Greg either.
nerdmann  
#49 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:27:29 PM(UTC)
PackerTraxx said: Go to Quoted Post
But we would like to be spoiled a little more with a few more SBs. \:d/

...and I won't miss Greg either.


Greg was a very good player. But he was breaking down. Couldn't stay healthy the last TWO years, and he's on the wrong side of 30.

This team won 12 Word Championships without Greg Jennings. We can do it again.
Laser Gunns  
#50 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:27:44 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
You mean a team that hasn't even been in the top 10 in passing attempts since 2009.


Don't pretend our offense does not go through the passing game.. We don't need a lot of attempts to rack up yards unlike other teams (Saints, Lions, Giants)
steveishere  
#51 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:43:51 PM(UTC)
RajiRoar said: Go to Quoted Post
Don't pretend our offense does not go through the passing game.. We don't need a lot of attempts to rack up yards unlike other teams (Saints, Lions, Giants)


That doesn't mean you should expect raw passing numbers to be high even if you have lower attempts. You aren't going to get a bunch of 1000+ yard receivers in an offense that spreads the ball around when you only rank 16th in attempts, simple as that.

No 1000 yard receiver yet the offense was still one of the best. That is why that number is arbitrary. I refuse to believe Cobbs season would have been significantly better had he only gotten 50 or so more yards. Give me a break.
DoddPower  
#52 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 3:14:07 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
No 1000 yard receiver yet the offense was still one of the best. That is why that number is arbitrary. I refuse to believe Cobbs season would have been significantly better had he only gotten 50 or so more yards. Give me a break.


But since he didn't get those ~50ish yards, he didn't have a good season!! Nor did James Jones. Ted Thompson

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