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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:53:23 AM(UTC)

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JSOnline said:
For all the talk there has been about TE Jermichael Finley being asked for a pay cut or being released, the fact of the matter is that with the loss of Greg Jennings and Tom Crabtree, the Packers now need Finley in a bad way.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:08:52 AM(UTC)

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I think the biggest winner in Greg Jennings leaving is definitely Jermichel Finley.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 8:34:40 AM(UTC)

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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I think the biggest winner in Greg Jennings leaving is definitely Jermichel Finley.


Yep for his pocket and playing time. I hope Finley can prove me wrong n shut me up.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:33:31 AM(UTC)

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I'm betting Ted will offer an extension, will guartantee the 9-10 mill that he is due this year and sign him to a 3-5 yr deal that will pay him a total of 6-7 mil a year.

ex: 5 year deal,10 mil guaranteed, base salary of 4mil a year avg.
10 mil would be spread out evenly over 5 years(2mil a year), base salary would start at 1mil for 2013, 2mil for 2014, 3 mil for 2015, then escalate to 10 mil in 2016, with the remaining 4 mil ib 2017.

This on paper would be a 5yr, 30 mil contract, in actuality, The Packers would be on the hook for 16 mil over 3 years.

Cap hit 2013-3mil, 2014-4mi, 2015-5mil, 2016-12mil, 2017-6mil.(of course Jermicheal would never see the 2016 contract year.)

It will then be up to Jermicheal to accept or refuse, not sure when his roster bonus is due, but something will happen before that date.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:56:38 AM(UTC)

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I would dump Finley, and apply all $8,250,000 towards front loading deals to Rodgers, Matthews and Raji. Of course, try to trade him first, but I cannot see that with his cap number. Possible though, with a restructure guarantee.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:45:51 AM(UTC)

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I'm betting Ted will offer an extension, will guartantee the 9-10 mill that he is due this year and sign him to a 3-5 yr deal that will pay him a total of 6-7 mil a year.

It will then be up to Jermicheal to accept or refuse, not sure when his roster bonus is due, but something will happen before that date.


I think that's the best idea I've heard... offer him an extension to get him down to averaging less than 7 million a year.

He's suppose to get a 3 million roster bonus on 3/27 (if he's on the roster)... FYI, he's birthday is 3/26... so nice birthday present.


I doubt they could work out a deal, but a trade of TE Jermichael Finley for Seahawks TE Zach Miller.

Their contacts for this year are very close. Finley is 2.25ish years younger and has more raw potential but struggling to reach it all, while Miller has 2 more years on the contract which are priced better, and Miller is a better blocking and looked very good in the passing game when the OL play has been good enough to let him get out for routes, as he's been needed as a blocker for a while. Also he has 8 catches for 142 yards against the Falcons in the playoff game (which the Seahawks lost).

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#7 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:09:34 PM(UTC)

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Tony Gonzalez is playing for more than $3M less per year with his new contract. I'm just not seeing the value in keeping this player on our roster. Are we really getting $8.75M worth of production from him? No.

I guess if he restructures, maybe he finally plays up to his pay scale. I have huge doubts about him, but it is clear the staff does not. They love him. I'll hope for the best.

Finley, even at $6-7M per is more than Gonzalez. Way more. Where's the value?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/p.../_/id/1231/tony-gonzalez
http://espn.go.com/nfl/p.../11325/jermichael-finley

Not even close.

IMO, Finley is the same big boob bleach blonde that Javon Walker was. Everybody loves the measurables.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:27:19 PM(UTC)

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If the front office and coaching staff allow themselves to be hoodwinked yet again by Finley, especially after all the dire threats they were leaking earlier this year, my respect for them is going to take another ding. I am hoping we have not seen the last of this silly situation yet.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:44:33 PM(UTC)

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Tony Gonzalez is playing for more than $3M less per year with his new contract.


No he's not... (at least according to rotoworld.com)

According to rotoworld.com both Finley and Gonzalez signed a two-year, $14 million contract. ($7 million per year)

You're trying to compare Finley's expensive last year of the deal vs. Gonzalez cheap (first) year of the deal, when the contracts are over all, the same price per year.


http://www.rotoworld.com...l/4717/jermichael-finley

http://www.rotoworld.com...r/nfl/1331/tony-gonzalez

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#10 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 4:50:30 PM(UTC)

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No he's not... (at least according to rotoworld.com)

According to rotoworld.com both Finley and Gonzalez signed a two-year, $14 million contract. ($7 million per year)

You're trying to compare Finley's expensive last year of the deal vs. Gonzalez cheap (first) year of the deal, when the contracts are over all, the same price per year.


http://www.rotoworld.com...l/4717/jermichael-finley

http://www.rotoworld.com...r/nfl/1331/tony-gonzalez



Finley is just a whipping boy for Packer fans cause he's a million dollar talent with a ten cent hood rat head. Finley's not going anywhere, and I for one am anxious to see what he plays like this year with more time exlapsed from his knee injury. He did have a very good second half of the season in 2012.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:17:13 PM(UTC)

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Sometimes teams overpay a player for a season or so based on any number of complicated situations that have occurred. So long as it doesn't significantly affect resigning a key player or a free agent, then it's not a huge deal in a "worse case scenario" type of situation. It's not ideal, but it happens. Every player on the Packers roster is not going to be making exactly what they deserve every season. Some will be paid less (Rodgers, CM3), and others will be paid more than they are worth (Hawk, Finley) in a given season. As long as the ramifications aren't extreme and short-lived, such as one more season in Finley's case IF he doesn't sign an extension, then it's not something the front office is likely to panic about. If it was, I'm sure they would either sign Finley to an extension or cut him. If neither of those things happen, than it's safe to assume Ted Thompson understands Finley is getting overpaid, but is willing to accept it for one more season and then re-evaluate things again next off season. It's always a balancing act.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:55:01 PM(UTC)

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Finley is just a whipping boy for Packer fans cause he's a million dollar talent with a ten cent hood rat head. Finley's not going anywhere, and I for one am anxious to see what he plays like this year with more time exlapsed from his knew injury. He did have a very good second half of the season in 2012.


I agree with the ten cent head, but he's also going to expect another 7 million per year contract. And while he's very talented I want to see him maximize his potential more. Have a whole season like how he finished it.

It's been over 2 years since his knee injury... and his first year back he proved it's fine. He's not his knee... it's his head, not his knee.

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#13 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:10:41 PM(UTC)

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I agree with the ten cent head, but he's also going to expect another 7 million per year contract. And while he's very talented I want to see him maximize his potential more. Have a whole season like how he finished it.

It's been over 2 years since his knee injury... and his first year back he proved it's fine. He's not his knee... it's his head, not his knee.



You think playing with a injured shoulder as a TE is nothing worth mentioning? You be tough dude!! lol


Second half of the season his shoulder was better and so were his statistics.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:41:12 PM(UTC)

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Simply cutting Finley/not paying the $3 million chunk due by the end of March would result in a $3.5 million cap hit - that plus the risk that he goes on to play for somebody else like we wish he would play for the Packers. I really hope we don't just pay the bonus due by end of March, but I kinda like the idea of buckeyepackman above or something similar.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, March 17, 2013 7:43:36 PM(UTC)

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You think playing with a injured shoulder as a TE is nothing worth mentioning? You be tough dude!! lol


Second half of the season his shoulder was better and so were his statistics.


I forgot about his shoulder injury... and you're right about that.

BUT there were games early on, where he didn't even half ass some of his routes. Where teams were putting a LB struggled in coverage on him, and they would be keeping up, because he wasn't trying. Then he would try to do the first half of the route, lose the LB easily... Rodgers saw him open, all he has to do was keep running.... and he would stop. Giving him a bad angle on the catch (where if he kept running it would be a good angle) and the LB would catch up and hit his arms as he tried to catch it making him lose the ball. And it looked more like a lack of effort on his part than injury...

I can understand pain over loading you and making you want to quit... it's happen to me. But if you're in that much pain you shouldn't be taking most of the snaps if you're pain is that bad.

He picked up his effort late, when guys started being silly with him some before and after plays. Seemed to lift his mood and his playing effort and he started trying a heck lot harder.

Also another guy that needs to be watched is Raji. His run clogging looks about the same as it always has been... but he's pass rush when one on one with an OL seems to have dropped a good bit. He's also been battling some off and on injuries, but not seeing him bull rush any one over or close to it any more.
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