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MintBaconDrivel  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:35:44 PM(UTC)
PackersNews said:
Of the rule changes being discussed at the NFL annual meetings, the one getting the most debate is proposal No. 6: Contact with the crown of the helmet.
olds70supreme  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:41:26 PM(UTC)
About time, it was pretty short sighted of the original rules to be written and/or enforced to protect the ballcarrier, but not the defensive players.
PackFanWithTwins  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 5:29:54 PM(UTC)
If they go through with that rule, they are going to get RBs killed, and create many more concussions than they prevent and it will be unenforceable. When a RB tries to protect himself (with his shoulder), and a tackler tries to tackle (with his shoulder), they are going to hit heads and the crown is going to be first because of anatomy. What causes concussions is the brain bouncing around in the helment, when the contact is from the front, back or sides, the brain bounces around more. When the contact is on the top of the head, it doesn't bounce around even close as much.
nerdmann  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:03:47 PM(UTC)
Give them bigger shoulder pads to somewhat hide their heads in them, and maybe cover the helmet in a couple inches of spongy yoga mat padding type shit.

Bottom line is that football is a violent sport. You can't change that.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#25 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:16:55 PM(UTC)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. These guys are getting paid multiple millions to play a fun game that any of us would do just about anything to have the ability for. If they are concerned about getting their brains scrambled, then let them give up that multiple millions and get a real job.
nerdmann  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:44:39 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. These guys are getting paid multiple millions to play a fun game that any of us would do just about anything to have the ability for. If they are concerned about getting their brains scrambled, then let them give up that multiple millions and get a real job.


My dad was a sanitation worker for the City of Green Bay. I would venture to say that that took more of a toll on him than many NFL players. Yet he didn't make millions. Nor did he bitch about it.

That said, nourish blood and yin essence if you want a strong brain.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#27 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:09:10 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
My dad was a sanitation worker for the City of Green Bay. I would venture to say that that took more of a toll on him than many NFL players. Yet he didn't make millions. Nor did he bitch about it.

That said, nourish blood and yin essence if you want a strong brain.


I'll take that to mean we actually agree on something hahaha. It does seem, however, that your dad's genetic material took a beating there in that cess pool - look how you turned out. You seem to have inherited the propensity to pump out shit, but that no bitching part? I guess that skipped your generation.

nerdmann  
#28 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:36:47 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I'll take that to mean we actually agree on something hahaha. It does seem, however, that your dad's genetic material took a beating there in that cess pool - look how you turned out. You seem to have inherited the propensity to pump out shit, but that no bitching part? I guess that skipped your generation.



What am I bitching about?

You're the one bitching about homosexuality.
Zero2Cool  
#29 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:59:18 AM(UTC)
What they should outlaw is the ballcarrier being able to grab the facemask of the player trying to bring them down.
olds70supreme  
#30 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:25:14 AM(UTC)
If you are going to limit the ability of the defensive player to use the crown of his helmet you have to limit the ability of the offensive player as well. It puts the defensive player at a disadvantage from both safety and competitive perspectives. For example...



The defensive player is prohibited from coming in helmet first and creaming AP here. AP has no such limitations, however, so he lowers his head and lays the defensive player out. Watch the video at the 30 second mark, it's obvious that AP's helmet pops Gay's helmet. It's BS to help and protect one player (offensive) and hurt and endanger another (defensive).

If you hate this rule because of the safety aspect (it is somehow devaluing the game because it's not as "tough" as it used to be) than at least try to appreciate the fact that it levels the playing field competitively for both sides of the ball.

By the way, this was the first youtube result for a search of "adrian peterson truck", not something I had to spend a significant amount of time searching for to fit my point of view.
PackerTraxx  
#31 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:48:40 AM(UTC)
The people at the meetings sound like a bunch of politicians and just about as effective. If they're really serious I believe there are a number of things they could do. For starters they could mandate wearing the proper protective gear. The dinky shoulder pads they use are smaller than what high school teams use to wear and the players are literally twice as big and much faster. Most of the skill players don't wear thigh pads or knee pads, linemen don't wear braces. All linemen at UW wear braces and they do well. It would slow the game down a little, which in itself would help. I remember years ago seeing someone who had developed a material which when you dropped and egg on it from about 2 feet up, the egg would not break. If the make the helmet with that on top of the hard shell they have now, then topped that with a thin tough layer of slippery material it should work great. I not an expert but there has to be better answers than this with the technology we have now.
Zero2Cool  
#32 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:40:43 AM(UTC)
"Per Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the rule passed by a “wide margin.” (It’ll be interesting to know who opposed it, and whether there was a closer initial vote followed by a more comfortable second tally.)"
PackFanWithTwins  
#33 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:16:13 AM(UTC)
olds70supreme said: Go to Quoted Post
If you are going to limit the ability of the defensive player to use the crown of his helmet you have to limit the ability of the offensive player as well. It puts the defensive player at a disadvantage from both safety and competitive perspectives. For example...



The defensive player is prohibited from coming in helmet first and creaming AP here. AP has no such limitations, however, so he lowers his head and lays the defensive player out. Watch the video at the 30 second mark, it's obvious that AP's helmet pops Gay's helmet. It's BS to help and protect one player (offensive) and hurt and endanger another (defensive).

If you hate this rule because of the safety aspect (it is somehow devaluing the game because it's not as "tough" as it used to be) than at least try to appreciate the fact that it levels the playing field competitively for both sides of the ball.

By the way, this was the first youtube result for a search of "adrian peterson truck", not something I had to spend a significant amount of time searching for to fit my point of view.


The limitation on players hitting defenseless players (and QBs) is completely different than a RB running over a player that is trying to tackle and hit him as hard as they can. With a runner and defender it is equal, neither is defenseless.
JustinAVA182  
#34 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:19:49 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
What they should outlaw is the ballcarrier being able to grab the facemask of the player trying to bring them down.


Much much agreed there.
PackFanWithTwins  
#35 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:21:37 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
What they should outlaw is the ballcarrier being able to grab the facemask of the player trying to bring them down.


It is illegal, just seldomly called.
Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:37:50 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
It is illegal, just seldomly called.


Oh. I didn't know that. I didn't see in the rules and in a couple decades of watching football, never seen it called.
Zero2Cool  
#37 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:19:02 AM(UTC)
I agree with this person.

2ruefan said:
OK.. One more time for clarification:

1) The rule does NOT STATE “cannot drop his pads”
2) The rule does NOT STATE “cannot lower his head”
3) The rule does NOT refer to not being able to “LOWER” anything.

It prohibits a RB from DELIVERING a BLOW to the defender with the CROWN of his helmet.. and only OUTSIDE OF THE TACKLE BOX at that.

Can we PLEASE stop saying it “prohibits lowering” anything? It doesn’t.



I also agree that this rule modification wouldn't have occurred without the former players suing the NFL for their head injuries that incurred when they voluntarily played the game of football for a lot of money.
PackFanWithTwins  
#38 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:34:28 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh. I didn't know that. I didn't see in the rules and in a couple decades of watching football, never seen it called.


Rule 12, Section2, Article 5
No player shall grasp the facemask of an opponent.

I can only recall a couple times. This is the last I know of. Should get called more.

Source

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Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson was fined $5,000 for unnecessary roughness for an offensive facemask penalty he received against Chicago.

Peterson was fined by the NFL after he "unnecessarily grabbed his opponent by the facemask" in the third quarter.

Peterson was penalized 15 yards on the play when he tried to stiff-arm Bears linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer.

It has been a tough week for Peterson, who on Saturday evening was ticketed by police after he was clocked doing 109 mph at Minnesota State Highway 62 and Gleason Road in Edina.
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