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User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:42:25 AM(UTC)
I posted this in Packer Forum. It took me some time and calculating hahaha, so I will get double use and post it here too.

As great as Clay Matthews is, the supreme superstar of this team is Aaron Rodgers. Maybe they get the Matthews deal done first because his contract runs out a year early, but I sincerely hope both are wrapped up before this season starts. The four year thing suggested above seems too short term IMO. Favre got a ten year deal at I think an older age. I would like to see something at least that long term for Rodgers - and that would be truly historic $200 million being not even close; $300 million not out of the realm of possibility. As many say, the guaranteed money is what counts (Favre's deal kinda disproved that). I wouldn't be surprised if they GUARANTEE something like $100 million. Try this for Rodgers: $50 million bonus, $5 million next season, with $10, 12, 14, 17, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 million - a total of $258 over ten years, maybe guarantee the first 5 seasons - $108 million. Too extreme? I don't think so. That's just a $10 million cap hit the first year and $5 million above the base all the other years. Try this for Matthews: $12 million bonus, $2 million base the first year, $7, 8, 9, 12, 15 million for years 2 - 6, maybe guarantee 3 or 4 of it - $17 or 26 million, a total $65 million over six years. His cap hit would only be $4 million the first year and $2 million above the base each of the other years.
PackerTraxx  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:51:15 AM(UTC)
That's too much cipherin' ... my head hurts!LOL
steveishere  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:04:57 AM(UTC)
30 million dollars a year for a 10 year deal when the highest paid QB now makes 20.1 million a year is within the realm of possibility? I suppose it is if you subscribe to the "anything is possible" philosophy but realistically.... no
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:09:25 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
30 million dollars a year for a 10 year deal when the highest paid QB now makes 20.1 million a year is within the realm of possibility? I suppose it is if you subscribe to the "anything is possible" philosophy but realistically.... no


Actually $25.8 million per year - $258 divided by 10. Rodgers is worth at least that much more than the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best. Besides, the cap will go up every year, so the high end amounts won't seem so bad toward the end of the contract. And if, heaven forbid, he fades after 5 or 6 years, the biggest amounts at the end aren't guaranteed anyway.

Porforis  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 8:52:56 AM(UTC)
Worth is relative, and I like to at least think that Rodgers is smart enough to get #3 - #5 money and leave a few million more a year for better players around him.
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:23:23 AM(UTC)
Hope Coleman's ready!
steveishere  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:36:30 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Actually $25.8 million per year - $258 divided by 10. Rodgers is worth at least that much more than the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best. Besides, the cap will go up every year, so the high end amounts won't seem so bad toward the end of the contract. And if, heaven forbid, he fades after 5 or 6 years, the biggest amounts at the end aren't guaranteed anyway.



You said 300 million not out of the realm of possibility
steveishere  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:37:40 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Hope Coleman's ready!


Coleman sucks, all he cares about is throwing the deep ball because somehow that's going to eventually erase Rodgers and Favre from the record books.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:39:50 AM(UTC)
Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
Worth is relative, and I like to at least think that Rodgers is smart enough to get #3 - #5 money and leave a few million more a year for better players around him.


Maybe, or he might conclude that Thompson wouldn't spend it anyway. I see a streak in Rodgers that he doesn't appreciate anybody being drafted/rated/paid higher than him.

My point in calculating out real numbers above for Rodgers and Matthews, however, is that the Packers indeed CAN afford to pay both of them top dollar without the cap hit being too extreme to get whatever else we need.

User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:49:20 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
You said 300 million not out of the realm of possibility


Yeah, I did write that hahahaha. When I calculated it, it came to $258 million. I wouldn't rule out making it even longer, 11 or 12 years, and then it certainly could be over $300 million. It might not ever reach those final years anyway, and if prestige is a motivator for Rodgers, a super huge backloaded contract might do the trick.

nerdmann  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:05:25 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Coleman sucks, all he cares about is throwing the deep ball because somehow that's going to eventually erase Rodgers and Favre from the record books.


THAT, remains to be seen.

Everyone thought I was an asshole for calling for Favre's benching in the NFCC. I was like TOO COLD FOR YOU BRENT? MAYBE GO WARM UP IN THE LOCKER ROOM.
Yerko  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:02:50 PM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Coleman sucks, all he cares about is throwing the deep ball because somehow that's going to eventually erase Rodgers and Favre from the record books.


Beat nerdmann at his own game...brilliant.

=d>
DoddPower  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:51:40 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
THAT, remains to be seen.

Everyone thought I was an asshole for calling for Favre's benching in the NFCC. I was like TOO COLD FOR YOU BRENT? MAYBE GO WARM UP IN THE LOCKER ROOM.


Everyone?? It was obvious Favre was miserable in that game. That wasn't exactly an astute observation.

Porforis  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:25:30 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
THAT, remains to be seen.

Everyone thought I was an asshole for calling for Favre's benching in the NFCC. I was like TOO COLD FOR YOU BRENT? MAYBE GO WARM UP IN THE LOCKER ROOM.


After the whole dick texting thing I'm not sure that's something you want to ask him to do.
buckeyepackfan  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:43:20 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I posted this in Packer Forum. It took me some time and calculating hahaha, so I will get double use and post it here too.

As great as Clay Matthews is, the supreme superstar of this team is Aaron Rodgers. Maybe they get the Matthews deal done first because his contract runs out a year early, but I sincerely hope both are wrapped up before this season starts. The four year thing suggested above seems too short term IMO. Favre got a ten year deal at I think an older age. I would like to see something at least that long term for Rodgers - and that would be truly historic $200 million being not even close; $300 million not out of the realm of possibility. As many say, the guaranteed money is what counts (Favre's deal kinda disproved that). I wouldn't be surprised if they GUARANTEE something like $100 million. Try this for Rodgers: $50 million bonus, $5 million next season, with $10, 12, 14, 17, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 million - a total of $258 over ten years, maybe guarantee the first 5 seasons - $108 million. Too extreme? I don't think so. That's just a $10 million cap hit the first year and $5 million above the base all the other years. Try this for Matthews: $12 million bonus, $2 million base the first year, $7, 8, 9, 12, 15 million for years 2 - 6, maybe guarantee 3 or 4 of it - $17 or 26 million, a total $65 million over six years. His cap hit would only be $4 million the first year and $2 million above the base each of the other years.


I'm thinking they will go with a 4-6 year deal for Rodgers worth more than anyone else right now, that way it will be much easier to extend a 4-6 year contract after 3 years than it would a 10 year contract.

Much easier to convert 1-3 years of a contract to "signing bonus money" than it is to restructure a 10 year contract after the 1st 3 years.

Again, these contracts are all about the "guaranteed money", on paper Aaron will be the highest paid qb in The NFL only until one of the other "elite" qb's sign their new contract.

Not sure how this thread turned into a "Brett Favre" topic, but it's good to read that most have not forgotten!!!! [laughing]
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:38:36 PM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm thinking they will go with a 4-6 year deal for Rodgers worth more than anyone else right now, that way it will be much easier to extend a 4-6 year contract after 3 years than it would a 10 year contract.

Much easier to convert 1-3 years of a contract to "signing bonus money" than it is to restructure a 10 year contract after the 1st 3 years.

Again, these contracts are all about the "guaranteed money", on paper Aaron will be the highest paid qb in The NFL only until one of the other "elite" qb's sign their new contract.

Not sure how this thread turned into a "Brett Favre" topic, but it's good to read that most have not forgotten!!!! [laughing]


I still think longer term is better. With the 4-6 year idea, we go through this uncertainty again then. The only way the shorter is better is if you think Rodgers will have diminished ability that soon - which I doubt. Even then, the ten year deal with guaranteed money only for the first five, as I wrote it up, leaves the team a lot of flexibility. Also, do the numbers, and I think you will find much higher cap numbers in the early years your way. The relevance of Favre to this is the fact mentioned in the JSOnline article that unlike most long term deals, he stayed long enough to receive virtually all of it. Barring injury, I think Rodgers would do the same.

Zero2Cool  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:52:12 PM(UTC)
I am going to go with my original prediction that he gets a 10 (lifetime - where have we heard that before) contract that ensures he retires a Packer. I see that happening. I also see them restructuring it after a few years to afford other players.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:54:46 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I am going to go with my original prediction that he gets a 10 (lifetime - where have we heard that before) contract that ensures he retires a Packer. I see that happening. I also see them restructuring it after a few years to afford other players.


Precisely.

dfosterf  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:44:44 PM(UTC)
Frankly, I feel that Dhazer owes Ted and I a big-league blow-job for our work thus far in keeping Rodgers salary in check as much as is possible.

Flapper

I also feel our opportunity has passed, his hated boy Ted failed, and we are going to fall until the next great qb, THAT MUST BE CHEAP, ALSO.
steveishere  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:56:21 PM(UTC)
dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
Frankly, I feel that Dhazer owes Ted and I a big-league blow-job for our work thus far in keeping Rodgers salary in check as much as is possible.

Flapper

I also feel our opportunity has passed, his hated boy Ted failed, and we are going to fall until the next great qb, THAT MUST BE CHEAP, ALSO.


I remember Dhazer HATED the contract when they signed Rodgers in 2008. Now it's the best contract in the nfl. lol
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