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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 5:23:59 AM(UTC)
Mike McCarthy said:
We weren’t regimented enough. That’s definitely the case. The way we practiced the last month of the season wasn’t conducive to getting ready for the kind of scheme that was going to make you play defense and hunker down with your fundamentals.


play2win  
#2 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 5:31:18 AM(UTC)
Yeah. It was his responsibility, was it not?

Mike McCarthy has got to upgrade himself if we are going to make any significant changes in improving the team this season. He called horrific games at the start of our season v. SF and SEA. We couldn't afford that. Those losses were squarely on him.
Porforis  
#3 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 6:05:14 AM(UTC)
Two thoughts:
1. It worries me that we weren't prepared. Okay, early on in the season you can get surprised by teams, it happens. But by the postseason, you know what kind of teams people have and there's not that much room for surprises. Absolutely a coaching failure.
2. I'm glad that he's actually taking responsibility, the next step is to not repeat these mistakes.
play2win  
#4 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 6:17:57 AM(UTC)
I'd rather SEE toughness than read about it as a concept. I hope he and Ted can transform our team into one that shows real toughness, every week.

I felt we severely lacked toughness twice against SF, and v. SEA, IND, NYG, MIN. We looked like boys amongst men. It's Mike's charge to change that with attitude and preparation. Your team simply cannot show up unprepared.
yooperfan  
#5 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 7:25:18 AM(UTC)
The Packers were woefully unprepared in the playoffs against the Giants, and came into the playoffs unprepared again this year.
Add in his tunnel vision with regard to play calling and one could start to doubt Mike McCarthy regardless of his stellar won loss record.
He just may be too stubborn to make necessary and timely adjustments.
Porforis  
#6 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 7:45:38 AM(UTC)
yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
The Packers were woefully unprepared in the playoffs against the Giants, and came into the playoffs unprepared again this year.
Add in his tunnel vision with regard to play calling and one could start to doubt Mike McCarthy regardless of his stellar won loss record.
He just may be too stubborn to make necessary and timely adjustments.


My memory of the San Fran game is fading a bit, were there major offensive adjustments that needed to be made? All I remember is getting killed on the ground - And that's Capers' territory, not McCarthy.
Mucky Tundra  
#7 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 8:16:21 AM(UTC)
Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
My memory of the San Fran game is fading a bit, were there major offensive adjustments that needed to be made? All I remember is getting killed on the ground - And that's Capers' territory, not McCarthy.


http://scores.espn.go.co...d=330112025&period=3

Down 7 midway through the 3rd, Mike McCarthy on GBs 3rd possession calls goes with 5 WR shotgun spread 6 straight plays in a row, runs no time off the clock and sends his D, which is already running on fumes, back out to field after the Keapernick 56 yard run for the TD. The previous dive (2nd of the quarter for GB) had GB going out of the shotgun with only 2 rushes by Cobb. If it hadn't been for Aaron Rodgers running for a 1st down on 3rd and long on the 3rd rive it would have been a 3 and out. Mike McCarthy was leaving the defense hanging out to dry and not even bothering with time of possession.
yooperfan  
#8 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 8:17:15 AM(UTC)
Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
My memory of the San Fran game is fading a bit, were there major offensive adjustments that needed to be made? All I remember is getting killed on the ground - And that's Capers' territory, not McCarthy.


Sorry, I should have been more clear on that.
I was actually alluding to adjustments in training regimen and practice regimen preparing to face the opponent.
If he sees the players not practicing up to his expectations, I think that as head coach he would take steps to somehow rectify that.
It seems that the Packers have a tendancy to come out flat in big games.
As head coach he is supposed to ensure that that doesn't happen.
Sometimes I think Mike McCarthy is too soft on his players.

I'm happy that the Packers are in contention every year, but not satisfied with our playoff preparedness over the last two years.

wpr  
#9 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 9:15:37 AM(UTC)
THIS is the quote that worries me.

Quote:

"To me, we're a physical, tough football team," McCarthy said at the National Football League combine. "I totally disagree. I don't know how you can put the tape on and say the Green Bay Packers aren't physical."


Several others of you have also alluded to the team's lack of toughness. I just wanted to get his quote into this thread as well.

Another time Mike points to the ST as being tough ergo the whole franchise is "tough". #-o

It takes more than one player or segment of the team to be "tough" to make the whole team "tough". Why not talk about the 2/3 of the team that is actually out on the field for 90% of the snaps?
Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 9:19:01 AM(UTC)
I have an issue with the original quote because it illustrates he didn't learn from last year as he said something nearly identical. How can you expect a team to be 'on board' with you when you commit the same failure in back to back years?
play2win  
#11 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:06:22 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
THIS is the quote that worries me.



Several others of you have also alluded to the team's lack of toughness. I just wanted to get his quote into this thread as well.

Another time Mike points to the ST as being tough ergo the whole franchise is "tough". #-o

It takes more than one player or segment of the team to be "tough" to make the whole team "tough". Why not talk about the 2/3 of the team that is actually out on the field for 90% of the snaps?


I think the toughness needs to start with McCarthy himself. Recognize what needs to be done and do it. If something isn't working, change it. We faced some top pass rushing teams to start the season, and Mike stopped running the football early, allowing those top pass rushers to essentially tee off on Rodgers at will. That to me is stupid.

Talk about fundamentals, how about the fundamentals of the game Mike?

Line your guys up and pound the rock, get the defenders moving backwards. This is what I am talking about in terms of establishing "toughness." I believe it is way, way, WAY more simple than he is making it out to be. If we had 30-40 rushing attempts by our RBs per game, I would guess we would win at least 95% of those games. Especially with what we can do in the air, with one of the best QBs in the NFL. Everything else opens up.

Establish dominance, and toughness, up front. This must happen in McCarthy's own head first. He's got to call it, demand it of his team.
play2win  
#12 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:07:43 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I have an issue with the original quote because it illustrates he didn't learn from last year as he said something nearly identical. How can you expect a team to be 'on board' with you when you commit the same failure in back to back years?


You can't tell this guy anything. That is the sense I get from him. That is not good.
wpr  
#13 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:09:49 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I think the toughness needs to start with McCarthy himself. Recognize what needs to be done and do it. If something isn't working, change it. We faced some top pass rushing teams to start the season, and Mike stopped running the football early, allowing those top pass rushers to essentially tee off on Rodgers at will. That to me is stupid.

Talk about fundamentals, how about the fundamentals of the game Mike?

Line your guys up and pound the rock, get the defenders moving backwards. This is what I am talking about in terms of establishing "toughness." I believe it is way, way, WAY more simple than he is making it out to be. If we had 30-40 rushing attempts by our RBs per game, I would guess we would win at least 95% of those games. Especially with what we can do in the air, with one of the best QBs in the NFL. Everything else opens up.

Establish dominance, and toughness, up front. This must happen in McCarthy's own head first. He's got to call it, demand it of his team.


It certainly does begin with Mike. I don't think he has recognized the real problem nor does he know how to fix it. (Winning record and SB aside.)
PackFanWithTwins  
#14 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:12:01 AM(UTC)
How much of this unpreparedness was a result of them taking it easy on those with injuries. I seem to recall down the stretch, a few key players that we not practicing and even playing, trying to heal them fully. Could that have backfired.
Zero2Cool  
#15 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:19:18 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
How much of this unpreparedness was a result of them taking it easy on those with injuries. I seem to recall down the stretch, a few key players that we not practicing and even playing, trying to heal them fully. Could that have backfired.


If you are taking it easy when you're 120 minutes away from the Super Bowl. Retire.
PackFanWithTwins  
#16 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:24:28 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
If you are taking it easy when you're 120 minutes away from the Super Bowl. Retire.


Would they have been better if they had pushed Clay, Nelson, Raji and others who all missed time down the stretch. Or would they have been worse by them not being as close to 100%? Either way, can end up biting ya in the ass.
Porforis  
#17 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:24:50 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I think the toughness needs to start with McCarthy himself. Recognize what needs to be done and do it. If something isn't working, change it. We faced some top pass rushing teams to start the season, and Mike stopped running the football early, allowing those top pass rushers to essentially tee off on Rodgers at will. That to me is stupid.

Talk about fundamentals, how about the fundamentals of the game Mike?

Line your guys up and pound the rock, get the defenders moving backwards. This is what I am talking about in terms of establishing "toughness." I believe it is way, way, WAY more simple than he is making it out to be. If we had 30-40 rushing attempts by our RBs per game, I would guess we would win at least 95% of those games. Especially with what we can do in the air, with one of the best QBs in the NFL. Everything else opens up.

Establish dominance, and toughness, up front. This must happen in McCarthy's own head first. He's got to call it, demand it of his team.


That being said, after the Giants game I think (The one where there were 8 sacks in the first half) he really did seem to take the run seriously. And it shows in the run attempts overall.
Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:32:49 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Would they have been better if they had pushed Clay, Nelson, Raji and others who all missed time down the stretch. Or would they have been worse by them not being as close to 100%? Either way, can end up biting ya in the ass.


The point being made is you don't play it safe when you're that close to your goal. I don't agree with the excuse that the players weren't maximized to because they were injured/hurt. Every NFL player is hurt after week four of the season through the end. It's a violent game.

The Packers failed in fundamentals. That's why they lost. Contain your lane. Trust your neighbor to do their job. This was not done. Then there's the fact that the 49ers were just clearly the better team.

play2win  
#19 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:37:40 AM(UTC)
Porforis said: Go to Quoted Post
That being said, after the Giants game I think (The one where there were 8 sacks in the first half) he really did seem to take the run seriously. And it shows in the run attempts overall.


You're right Porforis. He did amp up the number of attempts after that glaring shithole of a game and game plan.

But, I think the difference is with his approach. He was almost like, "well, OK, better get some runs in here..." instead of changing focus to a run heavy attack.

Really, if the guy became a "run first, and run often" kind of play caller, the game would be light years different for our team's success. We need the RBs to pull it off, and the right personnel up front.

Jeff Saturday was a huge problem for us at C. So much so, that I don't think any of us could have imagined it possible, from such a well respected veteran. His play became sloppy and ineffective. That hurt a lot. Add Newsome wasn't making any giant steps from 2011 to 2012 in terms of his play, and the numerous injuries at RB and to Bulaga, wow. Good display of excuses/reasons as to why we sucked so badly at this last season.

2013 is a new year. That is primarily why I wanted us to get Steven Jackson. To change the mentality, and our emphasis on offense to a power running team with a lights-out passing game.
QCHuskerFan  
#20 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:48:41 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
If you are taking it easy when you're 120 minutes away from the Super Bowl. Retire.


PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
How much of this unpreparedness was a result of them taking it easy on those with injuries. I seem to recall down the stretch, a few key players that we not practicing and even playing, trying to heal them fully. Could that have backfired.


Hindsight is great. Looking back, my wife should have married someone wealthier. I should have picked winning lottery ticket numbers. Mike McCarthy should have had some more physical practices to prepare for physical running teams we faced late in the year. Brilliant.

Except half our team was wounded. So CM should have been pushed harder in practice? What if he was injured? 100% of Packer Nation would have been apoplectic over the stupidity of injuring your key Defensive player right before a big game.

So it's easy to sit back and know what they should have done because what they did, didn't work. Mike McCarthy is the only one that has to make that decision though. Thankfully, we just have to second guess his wrong decisions.

No, I don't consider the '12 Packers to be a physically intimidating team.
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