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Offline play2win  
#11 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:06:22 AM(UTC)
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wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
THIS is the quote that worries me.



Several others of you have also alluded to the team's lack of toughness. I just wanted to get his quote into this thread as well.

Another time Mike points to the ST as being tough ergo the whole franchise is "tough". #-o

It takes more than one player or segment of the team to be "tough" to make the whole team "tough". Why not talk about the 2/3 of the team that is actually out on the field for 90% of the snaps?


I think the toughness needs to start with McCarthy himself. Recognize what needs to be done and do it. If something isn't working, change it. We faced some top pass rushing teams to start the season, and Mike stopped running the football early, allowing those top pass rushers to essentially tee off on Rodgers at will. That to me is stupid.

Talk about fundamentals, how about the fundamentals of the game Mike?

Line your guys up and pound the rock, get the defenders moving backwards. This is what I am talking about in terms of establishing "toughness." I believe it is way, way, WAY more simple than he is making it out to be. If we had 30-40 rushing attempts by our RBs per game, I would guess we would win at least 95% of those games. Especially with what we can do in the air, with one of the best QBs in the NFL. Everything else opens up.

Establish dominance, and toughness, up front. This must happen in McCarthy's own head first. He's got to call it, demand it of his team.
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#12 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:07:43 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I have an issue with the original quote because it illustrates he didn't learn from last year as he said something nearly identical. How can you expect a team to be 'on board' with you when you commit the same failure in back to back years?


You can't tell this guy anything. That is the sense I get from him. That is not good.
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#13 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:09:49 AM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I think the toughness needs to start with McCarthy himself. Recognize what needs to be done and do it. If something isn't working, change it. We faced some top pass rushing teams to start the season, and Mike stopped running the football early, allowing those top pass rushers to essentially tee off on Rodgers at will. That to me is stupid.

Talk about fundamentals, how about the fundamentals of the game Mike?

Line your guys up and pound the rock, get the defenders moving backwards. This is what I am talking about in terms of establishing "toughness." I believe it is way, way, WAY more simple than he is making it out to be. If we had 30-40 rushing attempts by our RBs per game, I would guess we would win at least 95% of those games. Especially with what we can do in the air, with one of the best QBs in the NFL. Everything else opens up.

Establish dominance, and toughness, up front. This must happen in McCarthy's own head first. He's got to call it, demand it of his team.


It certainly does begin with Mike. I don't think he has recognized the real problem nor does he know how to fix it. (Winning record and SB aside.)
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#14 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:12:01 AM(UTC)
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How much of this unpreparedness was a result of them taking it easy on those with injuries. I seem to recall down the stretch, a few key players that we not practicing and even playing, trying to heal them fully. Could that have backfired.
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#15 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:19:18 AM(UTC)
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How much of this unpreparedness was a result of them taking it easy on those with injuries. I seem to recall down the stretch, a few key players that we not practicing and even playing, trying to heal them fully. Could that have backfired.


If you are taking it easy when you're 120 minutes away from the Super Bowl. Retire.
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#16 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:24:28 AM(UTC)
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If you are taking it easy when you're 120 minutes away from the Super Bowl. Retire.


Would they have been better if they had pushed Clay, Nelson, Raji and others who all missed time down the stretch. Or would they have been worse by them not being as close to 100%? Either way, can end up biting ya in the ass.
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#17 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:24:50 AM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I think the toughness needs to start with McCarthy himself. Recognize what needs to be done and do it. If something isn't working, change it. We faced some top pass rushing teams to start the season, and Mike stopped running the football early, allowing those top pass rushers to essentially tee off on Rodgers at will. That to me is stupid.

Talk about fundamentals, how about the fundamentals of the game Mike?

Line your guys up and pound the rock, get the defenders moving backwards. This is what I am talking about in terms of establishing "toughness." I believe it is way, way, WAY more simple than he is making it out to be. If we had 30-40 rushing attempts by our RBs per game, I would guess we would win at least 95% of those games. Especially with what we can do in the air, with one of the best QBs in the NFL. Everything else opens up.

Establish dominance, and toughness, up front. This must happen in McCarthy's own head first. He's got to call it, demand it of his team.


That being said, after the Giants game I think (The one where there were 8 sacks in the first half) he really did seem to take the run seriously. And it shows in the run attempts overall.
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#18 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:32:49 AM(UTC)
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Would they have been better if they had pushed Clay, Nelson, Raji and others who all missed time down the stretch. Or would they have been worse by them not being as close to 100%? Either way, can end up biting ya in the ass.


The point being made is you don't play it safe when you're that close to your goal. I don't agree with the excuse that the players weren't maximized to because they were injured/hurt. Every NFL player is hurt after week four of the season through the end. It's a violent game.

The Packers failed in fundamentals. That's why they lost. Contain your lane. Trust your neighbor to do their job. This was not done. Then there's the fact that the 49ers were just clearly the better team.

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#19 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:37:40 AM(UTC)
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That being said, after the Giants game I think (The one where there were 8 sacks in the first half) he really did seem to take the run seriously. And it shows in the run attempts overall.


You're right Porforis. He did amp up the number of attempts after that glaring shithole of a game and game plan.

But, I think the difference is with his approach. He was almost like, "well, OK, better get some runs in here..." instead of changing focus to a run heavy attack.

Really, if the guy became a "run first, and run often" kind of play caller, the game would be light years different for our team's success. We need the RBs to pull it off, and the right personnel up front.

Jeff Saturday was a huge problem for us at C. So much so, that I don't think any of us could have imagined it possible, from such a well respected veteran. His play became sloppy and ineffective. That hurt a lot. Add Newsome wasn't making any giant steps from 2011 to 2012 in terms of his play, and the numerous injuries at RB and to Bulaga, wow. Good display of excuses/reasons as to why we sucked so badly at this last season.

2013 is a new year. That is primarily why I wanted us to get Steven Jackson. To change the mentality, and our emphasis on offense to a power running team with a lights-out passing game.
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#20 Posted : Friday, March 22, 2013 10:48:41 AM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
If you are taking it easy when you're 120 minutes away from the Super Bowl. Retire.


PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
How much of this unpreparedness was a result of them taking it easy on those with injuries. I seem to recall down the stretch, a few key players that we not practicing and even playing, trying to heal them fully. Could that have backfired.


Hindsight is great. Looking back, my wife should have married someone wealthier. I should have picked winning lottery ticket numbers. Mike McCarthy should have had some more physical practices to prepare for physical running teams we faced late in the year. Brilliant.

Except half our team was wounded. So CM should have been pushed harder in practice? What if he was injured? 100% of Packer Nation would have been apoplectic over the stupidity of injuring your key Defensive player right before a big game.

So it's easy to sit back and know what they should have done because what they did, didn't work. Mike McCarthy is the only one that has to make that decision though. Thankfully, we just have to second guess his wrong decisions.

No, I don't consider the '12 Packers to be a physically intimidating team.
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