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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:49:51 AM(UTC)
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A week ago, all the important players in the negotiations to get Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers a new contract were in the same location.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 9:44:53 AM(UTC)
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I see a deal coming that will be friendly for the Packers to progress as a team (at least as much as possible) considering it will be for the most money paid any player.

That's just how I see Rodgers as a person.

Thank God we're not talking about a J. Finley here.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:34:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
I see a deal coming that will be friendly for the Packers to progress as a team (at least as much as possible) considering it will be for the most money paid any player.

That's just how I see Rodgers as a person.

Thank God we're not talking about a J. Finley here.


That is really the concern. If he becomes the highest paid player, no matter how "friendly" it is, the team is going to lose flexibility in having talent around him.

I would love for Rodgers to say. I don't need, nor do I want to be the highest paid player. I'll take 10/yr. That is more than I can spend anyway. With the other 10-15million I am saving the team, I expect good players to be retained, and key FA to be brought in where needed.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 3:32:56 PM(UTC)
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From KFFL

Packers | Aaron Rodgers update
Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:11:44 -0700

Updating a previous item, there is league-wide speculation the Green Bay Packers and QB Aaron Rodgers are close to a contract extension that would see Rodgers earn an average of $25 million per year, making him the highest-paid player in NFL history. People familiar with the contract talks believe a deal will be completed this offseason, and could happen sooner rather than later.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team...ay-packers#ixzz2OsOu1WG1

The key words here are EXTENSION and AVERAGE.

Extending AR's contract gives The Packers the option of including the money left on his current contract in his signing bonus and extending that money + any guaranteed money over the whole length of the contract.

The deal may be for an average of 25mil a year on paper, but the Guaranteed money is what is important.

I'm betting AR's cap hit will not exceed 10-12 mil for the 1st 4 years, then watch his yearly salary escalate.
That gives The Packers 4 years to work with other players, get them signed, then a restructure probably in the works for Aaron Rodgers after the 4th year.

Just a guess, but it is the way of The NFL contract negotiaions these days.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 4:20:50 PM(UTC)
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hahahahaha it's funny that some of you think he would take a discount to help the team around him. Haven't you guys caught on yet, it's all about Aaron and it has been like that the whole time. I have a chip on my shoulder because of the draft. I am great because I stayed quiet during the Favre breakup. Its all about the stats watch him play, he passes up the nice little first down pass to try a Favre special. So don't give me the crap he is all about the team.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:16:04 PM(UTC)
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dhazer, you have awesome persistence.

While I've often thought he probably would like to give a super team friendly discount, I'm not sure that would go over too well with the NFLPA. I think he simply gets his market value, which will be a lot.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:09:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
dhazer, you have awesome persistence.

While I've often thought he probably would like to give a super team friendly discount, I'm not sure that would go over too well with the NFLPA. I think he simply gets his market value, which will be a lot.


Exactly. Rodgers should pursue and get every penny that the "market" says he deserves. There's no reason someone like Joe Flacco should be making more money than him. Usually when players are taking about "discounts" they're only taking about 1-2 million a year anyway.

I hope and expect Rodgers gets everything he's worth. The Packers are looking out for themselves and Rodgers need to do the same for himself. It's a business and a job first and foremost for the players. Rodgers also has to think about 2-4 years down the line when there will likely be a few other quarterbacks with equal or potentially higher annual salaries, as well, especially as the cap raises.

Bottom line for me: Rodgers obtaining every penny he is worth won't make me think negatively about him at all. Anything less he takes will just be a bonus to his employer and, to some extent, the fans, but I'm not expecting it. While the comparison isn't exactly the same, how many here would take substantially less money from your current employer that other companies were more than willing to pay for your same services, and that some lesser/equal talents were getting paid elsewhere? Said job/career could also be over forever at any minute as well; not one's typical 'desk job.' I might not squeeze every possible penny out of the deal, but I would expect to come close, for sure.

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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:12:45 PM(UTC)
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I would suggest that more than just guaranteed money is important when you are talking about a superstar QB. The obvious case of that is Brett Favre who got such a huge percentage of the face value money in his big contract. Just the same, the Packers should be able to structure a deal to give Rodgers what he richly deserves - to be paid significantly more than anybody else in the NFL, and still keep it cap-friendly enough to not do harm to the team.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:32:58 PM(UTC)
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#10 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 6:23:04 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, you would think so ...... I hope so ...... but I wouldn't bet money on it. I really hope they don't try some misguided strategy of low-balling Rodgers and alienating him, then either scrambling at the last minute or the unthinkable - losing him. The guy is flat out the best player in football, and he deserves to be paid like the best player. I've heard speculation about his personality great guy, team oriented, excellent leader OR stat whore, overly prideful, etc. None of us really know that, however, we can probably say that any star pro football player is going to have a degree of ego; We can also say based on the team's performance and the lack of negativity from teammates that he is a good leader; And of course, we know he throws the ball like nobody else and runs enough to more than keep defenses honest.

It is easily possible to structure a contract to make him radically the highest paid player in the NFL without harming the cap situation. Example: how does $231 million over 10 years sound? record-setting enough? Do you think he would be satisfied with a $50 million signing bonus? Then salary of $3 million the first year followed by $8, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 25, 30, and 35 million years 2 - 10. The cap hit would be just $8 million the first year, followed by 13, 17, 19, etc. Yeah, it gets ridiculous in the end, but by then you restructure or cut him if he drops off too much - which I very much doubt. Make either the first 4 years or the first 5 guaranteed - $84 or $100 million including the bonus.

Something like that should leave plenty to re-sign Matthews and Raji (who I wish they would NOT give a big contract too, but that's for another thread), and still keep at least as good a supporting cast as the Packers have had in the Thompson era.

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#11 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:16:37 AM(UTC)
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This contract really doesn't draw any type of stress for me.. it will get done and I believe that Rodgers sees the big picture ensuring the deal with put him in the proper placement in terms of contracts. However I believe it will be structured in a fashion that it will have a headline popping average, but much of that bulk to inflate the average will be pushed past a 4 or 5 year window where it will be reworked then to reset the cap numbers to keep the Packers salary cap viable enough to remain in the hunt.

It is how these deals work.. the biggest risk to the Packers will be Rodgers suffering a career ending or altering deal within the 4 or 5 year window. And for Rodgers.. he nor his family will have to worry about not obtaining enough in which he should be set for life.



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"It's not something I think about. We were so blessed to be able to have that contract done in 2008. We knew at the time that was more money than I ever could have imagined signing for, and it was a no-brainer for me. But we knew if I performed the way I felt I was capable of performing, that by league standards that by the time I got into my third or fourth or fifth season, that I'd be underpaid by league standards.

"But I don't look at it that way. I look at it as I'm fortunate to make the kind of money I make and be in the situation I'm in and be with the Packers' organization. I want to retire as a Packer. They know that, the fans know that, my teammates know that, and this is where I want to be. I'm not worried about [a new contract.] We're still a few years away from me completing this deal, and whenever it comes time to make a new deal, I'm looking forward to maybe signing my last deal, playing it out, and retiring."

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#12 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:31:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
From KFFL

Packers | Aaron Rodgers update
Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:11:44 -0700

Updating a previous item, there is league-wide speculation the Green Bay Packers and QB Aaron Rodgers are close to a contract extension that would see Rodgers earn an average of $25 million per year, making him the highest-paid player in NFL history. People familiar with the contract talks believe a deal will be completed this offseason, and could happen sooner rather than later.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team...ay-packers#ixzz2OsOu1WG1

The key words here are EXTENSION and AVERAGE.

Extending AR's contract gives The Packers the option of including the money left on his current contract in his signing bonus and extending that money + any guaranteed money over the whole length of the contract.

The deal may be for an average of 25mil a year on paper, but the Guaranteed money is what is important.

I'm betting AR's cap hit will not exceed 10-12 mil for the 1st 4 years, then watch his yearly salary escalate.
That gives The Packers 4 years to work with other players, get them signed, then a restructure probably in the works for Aaron Rodgers after the 4th year.

Just a guess, but it is the way of The NFL contract negotiaions these days.


That is exactly how teams get into player contract and salary cap trouble, and Ted has shown the ability to NOT do that as much as possible.
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#13 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:32:22 AM(UTC)
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I've heard that it's going to be a 6 year deal averaging $25 million per. I wouldn't even sign Barry Sanders for that money.
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#14 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 8:57:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
That is exactly how teams get into player contract and salary cap trouble, and Ted has shown the ability to NOT do that as much as possible.


Depends on how the Signing Bonus and Roster Bonuses are handled.. look at Woodson's deal.. it had a ton of bonus money in it.. but past the first year or two.. most was roster bonuses which didn't hurt the Packers as they could exit out of it without much hit.

There is no other way to slice this though.. the QB position is becoming the new noose in which teams, players and the collective NFL will hang themselves from in terms of contract and cap balances.

And they all are assisting in getting themselves into it.. in our situation, I just hope Rodgers keeps his "big picture" mindset in a team first approach... well as much as this kind of money will allow.

I remember Brett setting the market for contract size... and the Packers were still allowed to remain competitive year in and out. I hope and remain confident in the Rodgers deal will do the same.

And a sizable bump to the cap in say 2015 may help as well. Big Grin

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#15 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:45:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I've heard that it's going to be a 6 year deal averaging $25 million per. I wouldn't even sign Barry Sanders for that money.


Until you're an owner like Gunny and I; your opinion on these matter really doensn't mean much! Big Grin
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#16 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 9:57:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
Until you're an owner like Gunny and I; your opinion on these matter really doensn't mean much! Big Grin


I have been an owner for a longer tenure.. so Flapper
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#17 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 10:10:34 AM(UTC)
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Depends on how the Signing Bonus and Roster Bonuses are handled.. look at Woodson's deal.. it had a ton of bonus money in it.. but past the first year or two.. most was roster bonuses which didn't hurt the Packers as the could exit out of it without much hit.

There is no other way to slice this though.. the QB position is becoming the new noose in which teams, players and the collective NFL will hang themselves from in terms of contract and cap balances.

And they all are assisting in getting themselves into it.. in our situation, I just hope Rodgers keeps his "big picture" mindset in a team first approach... well as much as this kind of money will allow.

I remember Brett setting the market for contract size... and the Packers were still allowed to remain competitive year in and out. I hope and remain confident in the Rodgers deal will do the same.

And a sizable bump to the cap in say 2015 may help as well. Big Grin


I was refering to this.

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I'm betting AR's cap hit will not exceed 10-12 mil for the 1st 4 years, then watch his yearly salary escalate.


That is not how to manage the cap. It has been seen to fail so often.

I would expect, the 10+ Rodgers is due this year, to be combined with 10-15 million of our available space under the cap, giving him a guaranteed salary of 20-25 million without having to push any of that money out. I would expect them to do something similar year 2, the 11million he is expected to get now, and add a 10 million dollar Roster bonus, and guarantee both. Which would have him in 45 guaranteed, without, having any of it sitting on the future cap. If they need more guaranteed money, they then could also us a SB. They could give him 60 million guaranteed, and only 3-4 million yearly cap hit.

I wouldnt' expect a big bump in cap 2015 either. The bump gets eaten up with the money going to the players medical.
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#18 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 10:25:48 AM(UTC)
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We shall see how they structure it.. but as it stands right now.. we have ~ 18 million of cap space for this season.. if we couple the current 9.75 Million with another 15.. that leaves us just under the rookie pool. Hard to redo the contracts of Raji and Matthews that will expire before Rodgers that way.

I think they are going to commit a ton of real money in the signing bonus and they will take that bonus and structure it as effectively as possible for the first 4 to 5 years of the deal... I think this is why it is taking a good chunk of time.. working with Rodgers (via agent) and the Packers trying to structure it for the best of the team.

I have faith that this deal will be structure as well as a deal of this size can be for the Packers.. I have that much faith in Rodgers words and intelligence so that the team around him can be as successful as can be. Almost to the point that if the NFLPA would allow it... it might take an undermarket deal. A player with his earning potential off the field can supplement his on field income greatly.. especially if he can nail down another Championship or two.

I have read some of your other comments about this somewhat crippling the team.. I am (maybe foolishly) holding out hope that there is a middle ground that shows him proper respect in terms of reported size of deal and is more than fair in terms of actually earning potential. His past words and track record of upholding his word as a basis for it.

We shall see.. I just think this contract, which has been developing probably for 12 to 24 months to be very creative to accomplish the above.

Yes this deal could become the albatross around the Packers neck.. I wager that the parties involved will avoid that as much as possible with a deal this insanely large.
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
I think they are going to commit a ton of real money in the signing bonus and they will take that bonus and structure it as effectively as possible for the first 4 to 5 years of the deal...


If they dump the money in a Signing bonus, there is no option on how to structure it, which is why I see them using current cap space and roster bonuses instead. If they put 40 million in a signing bonus over 6 years, that is 6.6million hit per year each of the years. And that can't be restructured later on.

That is how they worked his last contract.
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#20 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 10:49:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
I've heard that it's going to be a 6 year deal averaging $25 million per. I wouldn't even sign Barry Sanders for that money.


What I saw was a 4 year extension averaging 25m/year. When added to the 2 years left on the current deal that comes out around 20-21/ year
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#21 Posted : Friday, March 29, 2013 10:55:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins Go to Quoted Post
If they dump the money in a Signing bonus, there is no option on how to structure it, which is why I see them using current cap space and roster bonuses instead. If they put 40 million in a signing bonus over 6 years, that is 6.6million hit per year each of the years. And that can't be restructured later on.

That is how they worked his last contract.


I worded that poorly... very poorly.. what I meant is that upon signing the deal there will be a large real cash bonus attached to it (might be delayed for maybe even a year)... but it may not be accounted for as a "Signing bonus". A roster bonus like they paid out in 2009 (over 7 million) but a very small actual salary for that year.

The cap number was elevated somewhat that year but allowed for the remainder of the deal to be structured with variable base salaries and yearly roster bonuses that provided a large chunk of cash on a certain date.

And yes.. that is how I think they will structure the front of this contract to put his overall number around the mid teens this season (his current 9.75 +), give him a large chunk of real dollars now and allow the Packers long term flexibility over the life of his deal.
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I've heard that it's going to be a 6 year deal averaging $25 million per. I wouldn't even sign Barry Sanders for that money.


Aaron Rodgers is way better and way more valuable than Barry Sanders even in his prime. In addition, QBs have a lot longer span of excellence than RBs - most of the time. As with the example of a contract I wrote earlier, a longer contract is better - 10 years or more, both for the peace of mind of keeping him for his whole career AND because a longer contract is more cap friendly.
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Aaron Rodgers is way better and way more valuable than Barry Sanders even in his prime. In addition, QBs have a lot longer span of excellence than RBs - most of the time. As with the example of a contract I wrote earlier, a longer contract is better - 10 years or more, both for the peace of mind of keeping him for his whole career AND because a longer contract is more cap friendly.


Tread lightly on the Barry Sanders stuff there friend, tread ... lightly. :)
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Aaron Rodgers is way better and way more valuable than Barry Sanders even in his prime. Applause .


I don't have any disagreement with any of the comments.. however Zero "Sanders" 2 cool might have a thing or two to say about this... it is always enjoyable to watch Zero embrace his Barry Sanders fanhood in a fever.

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I'd give him a HUGE incentive based around number of first downs. LOL
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