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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#31 Posted : Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:04:54 PM(UTC)
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Honestly the Pats.. They aren't the GREATEST team on paper. Yet, they're always in contention every stinkin' year. It has to do with coaching, training, and getting good players on your team. And you know what I mean by good players. Having those great character guys on your team. Why do you think the good teams are always the ones that stay quiet? Patriots, Giants, Packers, Steelers all to name a few. The lions, cowboys, and jets to name a few fail every year for this feat.
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#32 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 4:31:39 AM(UTC)
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Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
Honestly the Pats.. They aren't the GREATEST team on paper. Yet, they're always in contention every stinkin' year. It has to do with coaching, training, and getting good players on your team. And you know what I mean by good players. Having those great character guys on your team. Why do you think the good teams are always the ones that stay quiet? Patriots, Giants, Packers, Steelers all to name a few. The lions, cowboys, and jets to name a few fail every year for this feat.


I agree with you, but I think this is missing the point.

There are those teams that often make their splashes in winning the March SBs. Teams that continually load up in free agency, and time and time again make the same mistakes.

What I am talking about is being so rigid in the opposite direction that you miss out on possibly landing a role player that unexpectedly takes your team over the top. There is a patience to that game as well, as I believe there are few teams that have notched that special player onto their rosters and gone on to immediately win the SB.

We've done it twice and won SBs. 1996 signing of Eugene Robinson, an 11 yr vet with the Seahawks, and the 2010 signing of Howard Green, and 8 yr vet from the Jets.

Both players filled a need area on the roster, and both made significant contributions towards winning the Super Bowl.
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#33 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 3:35:36 PM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree with you, but I think this is missing the point.

There are those teams that often make their splashes in winning the March SBs. Teams that continually load up in free agency, and time and time again make the same mistakes.

What I am talking about is being so rigid in the opposite direction that you miss out on possibly landing a role player that unexpectedly takes your team over the top. There is a patience to that game as well, as I believe there are few teams that have notched that special player onto their rosters and gone on to immediately win the SB.

We've done it twice and won SBs. 1996 signing of Eugene Robinson, an 11 yr vet with the Seahawks, and the 2010 signing of Howard Green, and 8 yr vet from the Jets.

Both players filled a need area on the roster, and both made significant contributions towards winning the Super Bowl.


This statement seems to imply that Ted Thompson is too rigid to make additions, but I don't think that's the case, at all. He is always looking at, speaking to, and investigating free agents, it's just the stars don't always align, for whatever reason. I'm sure he can make the stars align more often, but he's likely following an agreed upon budget and if negotiations get outside of that budget, the Packers are out of the game.

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#34 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 5:16:43 PM(UTC)
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I go all the way back to the Lombardi era and before, and I remember when a lot of people were saying we COULDN'T afford Grabowski and Anderson. Vince managed to snag them - both. Never mind the fact that neither turned out to be the superstar we hoped. Thompson has his way of doing things. I certainly don't agree with it all the time, but we can't really argue with the results in terms of a winning record. The point is, if the prize is great enough, he can and will get it for the Packers.
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#35 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 5:29:30 PM(UTC)
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You fill your team with the best player available.

Blanket philosophies are foolish, imo. You do not weigh your success in free agency based on the whole league, for example.

I think we had a far better shot at a Super Bowl if Ted filled a few holes for us that he did not do. He strikes me as somewhat of a moron when he speaks. I know he's educated, etc. I do not see the brilliance... just sayin'... If he is so good at drafting, how could he not be better at picking some players that have played in the league?

We are satisfied as a fan base, we are in a small market, he gets good press, we shall fucking schlep along wading high just above- mediocrity, but below greatness, unless luck intervenes.
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#36 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 6:01:11 PM(UTC)
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You fill your team with the best player available.

Blanket philosophies are foolish, imo. You do not weigh your success in free agency based on the whole league, for example.

I think we had a far better shot at a Super Bowl if Ted filled a few holes for us that he did not do. He strikes me as somewhat of a moron when he speaks. I know he's educated, etc. I do not see the brilliance... just sayin'... If he is so good at drafting, how could he not be better at picking some players that have played in the league?

We are satisfied as a fan base, we are in a small market, he gets good press, we shall fucking schlep along wading high just above- mediocrity, but below greatness, unless luck intervenes.


hahaha I suggested that "luck intervened" in PackerFanForum in Thompson getting Aaron Rodgers - saying Thompson was good but not a great GM. The TT-ophiles jumped all over me. I agree with you in principal about filling those few holes, etc., but on a case by case basis, I can't really think of any that I wish Thompson had paid what it would have taken to get the player. And yeah, he sure ain't charismatic or even quietly intelligent-sounding...... but we sure do have that great winning record hahaha.
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dfosterf said: Go to Quoted Post
You fill your team with the best player available.

Blanket philosophies are foolish, imo. You do not weigh your success in free agency based on the whole league, for example.

I think we had a far better shot at a Super Bowl if Ted filled a few holes for us that he did not do. He strikes me as somewhat of a moron when he speaks. I know he's educated, etc. I do not see the brilliance... just sayin'... If he is so good at drafting, how could he not be better at picking some players that have played in the league?

We are satisfied as a fan base, we are in a small market, he gets good press, we shall fucking schlep along wading high just above- mediocrity, but below greatness, unless luck intervenes.


Of course it hurts us, we are just loyal. Loyal is different from correct.



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#38 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 6:05:51 PM(UTC)
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texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
hahaha I suggested that "luck intervened" in PackerFanForum in Thompson getting Aaron Rodgers - saying Thompson was good but not a great GM. The TT-ophiles jumped all over me. I agree with you in principal about filling those few holes, etc., but on a case by case basis, I can't really think of any that I wish Thompson had paid what it would have taken to get the player. And yeah, he sure ain't charismatic or even quietly intelligent-sounding...... but we sure do have that great winning record hahaha.


...Just so you know, I've defended him here at least on par with anyone on this forum, lol

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#39 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 6:01:19 AM(UTC)
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Winning records mean about as much to me as Top Passers.

I want Championships from this group. Ted has done a great job getting us to this point where we remain competitive, but I believe more could be done to add veteran help at a position of need. He's got many of the hard to get pieces in place. Why not go for it a little bit more?

DL was a void spot after losing Jenkins, with no significant improvements added in going on 3 seasons. Had we retained Jenkins, or added a true replacement, I think we would have run that 2011 table, and possibly been more competitive in 2012.

Leaving holes as important as that on your roster with this collection of talent seems a waste, and an unnecessary risk.
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#40 Posted : Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:14:28 PM(UTC)
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But you make it sound like Ted Thompson has ignored the position. In the last 3 drafts, he has drafted 5 DL, tied for most of any position with OL. Ted Thompson can't totally control how they develop. He can't control Mike Neal's injuries. He isn't at fault for Worthy's knee blowing out. Did you know in Feb 2011, that Mike Neal wasn't going to develop into an adequate replacement for Jenkins? I didn't. I bet the private depth chart at Lambeau Field was counting on it.

He has signed FA. They just didn't work.

You can criticize the results, but not the effort. Ted Thompson has attempted to address the issue the best he thinks he can. We have the luxury of criticizing the results, but we are not the ones that have to make decisions.

Going after high priced FAs is like the boy that asked Kate Upton to prom. It gets a lot of press. Somebody is famous for a bit. But at the end of the night, he is disappointed and unfulfilled.
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