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Offline wpr  
#16 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:24:59 AM(UTC)
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I am sure it is. That plus Kevin wants more discussion plus he is bored and He has brought this discussion up about 10 times in the past 5 years. I just want to make him feel like he is getting his money's worth.
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#17 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:32:04 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
that is all the same thing. "The guy who chucks the ball down the field." I see a QB as being more rounded than that.
Why not look at who called their own plays? That is Starr. Sure Rodgers has the run/pass option and he can audible but he works out a the confines of the plays that are giving to him from the sideline. Starr had the freedom/responsibility to call the plays on his own with some assistance from the sidelines. A field general. A well rounded QB who doesn't rely on one aspect for his credibility.


Plus, Aaron Rodgers has to do all of it without any hall of fame running backs to take heat off him. What you say now?

It's okay, Aaron Rodgers > Bart Starr. It's just fact. I'm glad Starr was around back then, but it's okay to acknowledge that someone better has come along. It's inevitable. There will be someone better than Reggie White, Sterling Sharpe, etc ... that's a good thing.

Acceptance you can.
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#18 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:32:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I am sure it is. That plus Kevin wants more discussion plus he is bored and He has brought this discussion up about 10 times in the past 5 years. I just want to make him feel like he is getting his money's worth.


To actually get his monies worth.. one would think he might start a thread discussing the real meat and potatoes of a football team.. not the over glorified position that is the QB. LOL
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#19 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:37:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
To actually get his monies worth.. one would think he might start a thread discussing the real meat and potatoes of a football team.. not the over glorified position that is the QB. LOL


Big man still wishing he could toss the rock!
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#20 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:45:40 AM(UTC)
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Big man still wishing he could toss the rock!


Ahhh, that would be incorrect.. I could chuck the pigskin.. and the baseball as well, still can get into the high 70's with the baseball. Try again.. it is all about the over hype. Wink
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#21 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:47:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Plus, Aaron Rodgers has to do all of it without any hall of fame running backs to take heat off him. What you say now?

It's okay, Aaron Rodgers > Bart Starr. It's just fact. I'm glad Starr was around back then, but it's okay to acknowledge that someone better has come along. It's inevitable. There will be someone better than Reggie White, Sterling Sharpe, etc ... that's a good thing.

Acceptance you can.


nope.

1<5. Don't punish Bart because he did a better job than Aaron did at winning the ultimate prize. Time after time after time after time after time. When you win that often they have to stick more players into the Hall.
Bart's greatness MADE them all HoFers. FACTOID. [boxing]
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#22 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:57:00 AM(UTC)
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All I have to do is look at the beautiful perfectly placed spirals thrown by Aaron vs. the dying quail chucked up by Starr, but yeah Starr has that trophy thing going for him. It's like saying Terry Bradshaw is a better quarterback than Dan Marino.

This must be what it feels like to be a Viking fan, well sort of.
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#23 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 8:59:38 AM(UTC)
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Using the multiquote feature to bust ya all down ... wassup.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Ahhh, that would be incorrect.. I could chuck the pigskin.. and the baseball as well, still can get into the high 70's with the baseball. Try again.. it is all about the over hype. Wink

Chucking pigskin... anyone can do that. Failing to hit the broad side of a barn or consistently throw a spiral ...


Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
nope.

1<5. Don't punish Bart because he did a better job than Aaron did at winning the ultimate prize. Time after time after time after time after time. When you win that often they have to stick more players into the Hall.
Bart's greatness MADE them all HoFers. FACTOID. [boxing]


Bart Starr had a superior cast around him with a legendary coach at the helm, of course he is going to be mis-perceived as the best. We gonna say Terry Bradshaw is better than Aaron Rodgers because 4 > 1? Or that Trent Dilfer is equal to Aaron Rodgers because 1 = 1?

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#24 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 9:01:06 AM(UTC)
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Chucking pigskin... anyone can do that. Failing to hit the broad side of a barn or consistently throw a spiral ...



Any day you want to contest this statement.. I am game. Just don't hang your head when the facts separate themselves. [grin1]
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#25 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 9:02:47 AM(UTC)
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Any day you want to contest this statement.. I am game. Just don't hang your head when the facts separate themselves. [grin1]


Pssh, I can still sling it 50+ with ease my friend... with ease!
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#26 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 9:16:39 AM(UTC)
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Pssh, I can still sling it 50+ with ease my friend... with ease!


Anyone can sling it 50... but accurately. [boxing]
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#27 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 9:24:46 AM(UTC)
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5 = 500% of 1.

That is a big gap to make up.

Until Rodgers get at least three, I'm not going to put him in the same category.

In terms of statistics, physical tools, Rodgers is ahead by a landslide. If we want to exaggerate, even 500% as big.

But if I'm going to weight things, I give championships a weight of 0.9 and statistics/tools a combined weight of 0.1.

Therefore:

Starr = (0.9 x 5) + (0.1 x 1) = 0.65 min.
Rodgers = (0.9 x 1) + (0.1 x 5) = 0.59 max.

Starr.

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#28 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 9:26:44 AM(UTC)
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Starr didn't audible out of running plays to pad his stats. Therefore he is the better QB.
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#29 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 10:18:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
Starr didn't audible out of running plays to pad his stats. Therefore he is the better QB.
OHOH![aiee]


Ahhh.. feeding the stat mongering viewpoint posters.. these could become fun.. [grin1]
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#30 Posted : Monday, April 1, 2013 10:47:44 AM(UTC)
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I believe the consensus here is that Rodgers is the better QB from a talent and ability level, and as good as Starr was, his talents are/were not those possessed by Rodgers.

Starr has more Championships attached to his name. I want Championships in Green Bay. Period.

This is a good time to recognize how good Rodgers is, and what is needed to put him into the Starr category for Championships: a running game, a HC who will call a running game, and a solid D.
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