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Pack93z  
#41 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 7:15:25 AM(UTC)
The attached image is where the play is truly broken down.. forces the back to make a major cut and really preventing the back from exploiting the edge quicker.. then Williams can't keep the edge and allows flow inside and over the top to close the play down.

There is no way that defender should have gotten that far up field.. again failure this is not a good example of a back blowing a play.. it was littered with problems from the snap. The back had to use vital time and vision just to avoid the immediate penetration into the backfield.
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Pack93z  
#42 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 7:23:12 AM(UTC)
JustJeff said: Go to Quoted Post
That still shows that Green has discovered he isn't getting to the edge. At that point, he's sitting high with his weight back, of course the hole is filled. Jeff freakin' Saturday is outside by then [laughing]

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Williams has not yet engaged. The linebacker is two yards upfield. Williams correctly moves upfield. If he aims for an outside seal, he surrenders his inside shoulder. By the time he gets on the linebacker, he takes him the only angle he can. If you want to fault Williams for being outrun, I can agree. However, he executed a block that gave Green a seam, which Green didn't have the patience to see, much less take.

What is most telling in the stills is Green's gate. He's full throttle for the edge from the start. Great backs have a habit of running 3/4 speed while using their eyes and explode into the hole as it opens. Vision is everything.



If Williams holds the edge even then.. Green still can run off this outside shoulder and still have a one on one with the safety along the sideline.. but Williams fails to hold the edge.. forcing Green to break off momentum and start looking for a cutback.. again, I think he should have cut it up and taken what he could get, maybe a small gain. But again, properly blocked the Packers had the numbers and matchups to make that play pop off the edge.. piss poor execution (or very possibly communication in blocking pickups prior to the snap) in blocking that prevented the edge from being obtained.

That is how I see it from these angles.
nerdmann  
#43 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 10:08:03 AM(UTC)
Green was learning to see those things better as the season went on imo. He was learning from Cedric.
PackFanWithTwins  
#44 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 12:25:20 PM(UTC)
JustJeff said: Go to Quoted Post
This is not my work. It is from a member in my home forum. It is the perfect example of how NOT to run a stretch play. Enjoy.





Biggest problem with this play is that is never should have been run against that defensive formation. If that play was to get blocked correctly, it would leave DJ leading for Green at an unblocked FS. The problem is the MLB (#3) is already lined up play side of Saturday who would be responsible for blocking him. There is no way without a major mistake by the MLB, that Saturday or ANY C would be able to beat that MLB to the point of attack.

The result of that is DJ ends up having to block a LB instead of the safety as designed. DJ is not pushing his block outside. The defender is taking DJ outside to block the edge and force the cutback. Crabtree actually does a pretty good job considering his is single blocking a DE. But that DE is able to play off the block to make the play on the cutback.

I can't blame this on the Line or RB. The play was dead before it started. The play should have been checked to something else. The perfect play against it would have been to fake the toss and roll Rodgers out, have Jones come down like he did to block, only release upfield running past the crashing FS. With nobody behind him for help.
wpr  
#45 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 12:44:04 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Biggest problem with this play is that is never should have been run against that defensive formation. If that play was to get blocked correctly, it would leave DJ leading for Green at an unblocked FS. The problem is the MLB (#3) is already lined up play side of Saturday who would be responsible for blocking him. There is no way without a major mistake by the MLB, that Saturday or ANY C would be able to beat that MLB to the point of attack.

The result of that is DJ ends up having to block a LB instead of the safety as designed. DJ is not pushing his block outside. The defender is taking DJ outside to block the edge and force the cutback. Crabtree actually does a pretty good job considering his is single blocking a DE. But that DE is able to play off the block to make the play on the cutback.

I can't blame this on the Line or RB. The play was dead before it started. The play should have been checked to something else. The perfect play against it would have been to fake the toss and roll Rodgers out, have Jones come down like he did to block, only release upfield running past the crashing FS. With nobody behind him for help.


WHAT!!!??? And be accused of being a stat whore trying to break Favre's records? [aiee]

There is no way Aaron Rodgers is falling for that trap. [-(
nerdmann  
#46 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 2:36:35 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
WHAT!!!??? And be accused of being a stat whore trying to break Favre's records? [aiee]

There is no way Aaron Rodgers is falling for that trap. [-(


Run it to the other side. Or dump it off for less than 20 yards.
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#47 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2013 4:07:33 PM(UTC)
It doesn't seem like the safety is crashing until the hand off has been made. I lean toward the idea that the failure is mainly Williams in not getting the outside seal. Green would have had a better shot if Williams had set up one step farther out and that LB cuts inside him. I don't think the play was designed for Williams to take the safety. The LB is the most immediate threat, and if Williams doesn't take him, there is nobody else remotely in position. A center younger and faster than Saturday would have gotten around the corner in time and then you have the long gain - assuming the playside corner who you can't see doesn't come over and stop it.

The fault here is the whole ZBS scheme which relies on about 8 things happening to perfection for a play to work, and then only if nobody on the D makes and above average play. I wish we just had road graders in there who could at least get the runners to the second level, and be better pass blockers also.
dfosterf  
#48 Posted : Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:38:06 PM(UTC)
Graders. Real graders. Yes, that.

Can you believe these guys were upset when James Jones commented upon them?

As a unit, they should have been apologetic.

THAT's the kind of shit I hate nowadays.

Colledge SUCKED, btw.
PackerTraxx  
#49 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2013 7:32:12 AM(UTC)
I lean to the graders also. Mainly because of the field we play on, grass(sort of) and cold climate. On the other hand the Super Bowl is warm climate usually on turf, so speed and a fast game can have an advantage.
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