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Offline buckeyepackfan  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:15:49 PM(UTC)
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Life was so much simpler before PC came to be relevant.

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#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:23:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
My wife is 1/16 Cherokee. She is proud of her heritage as are my children. We have done a little research over the years but it is really hard to find much other than oral tradition. Great-great grandma was being deported from the Cherokee Nation on one of the Trail of Tears when she married a White man in Tennessee.

There are not a lot of records that link her to the family today. Just going through my wife's grandmother (she had siblings too.) Great-great grandma has nearly 200 decedents. My kids generation are having their own kids these days. I wouldn't be surprised if she already has 500 direct decedents when we include the other branches of the family. That said she probably was not much more than a concubine/servant when Great-great grandpa "bought"? her from someone. Nevertheless every single decedent that I or my wife has spoken to are proud of their Grandma no matter what the circumstances where or how many "greats" are in front of her name.

As for me, I have told Troy several times. I refuse to held responsible for the actions of another. My family was not in the US until after the Civil War. Most of them came over in the late 1880's or 90's. As far as direct line ancestors not a single one of them held any man or woman in bondage nor did they kill anybody.

Atrocities most certainly have been committed in this country as well as all the rest of the world. It has been going on since the beginning of time. Either everyone is culpable for all of them or only those who actually committed the deed are to be held responsible for their actions. It is my opinion that every man stands in judgment for their own actions and you don't pass the sins of the father unto their sons and their son's sons.


As I implied, I too am 1/16 Indian. My great uncle - brother of my grandma - told me his grandma was an Algonkian Indian who married a French fur trader. This was about the time I was in elementary school, and my other 7/8 were just dull Germans. I never really thought about it, but I guess my ancestors came after the Civil War too, and I doubt if hardly any Wisconsinites have ancestors who owned slaves hahahaha. It wouldn't bother me if they did - that was life back then, in the south anyway. I never heard of any ancestors who killed anybody either, although that also would probably be a positive indicator rather than negative, given the fact that any killing done by Americans would be virtually certain for good reasons - INCLUDING the Indian Wars.

Not to imply you are doing so, but I strongly resent anybody saying or implying ANY evils or negativity on the part of any Americans participating in ANY military venture of the United States.

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Offline dfosterf  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:26:41 PM(UTC)
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I'm 1/16th something. Just about every homie I ever met claims he's' part Indian, btw. The rest of me is my own values, the sweat on my brow, and the full knowledge that I do not deserve a free ride or any sympathy due to whence I came or the ride in life I have had. I get what I get on my own merit,or lack, thereof. Any injun playin' this one is playin' you, in 2013.

Fucking native American activism shit just pisses me off. They lost that war, for cripes-sakes. If you think I'm harsh, get the fuck out and go back to your own country of origination, as these casino owners own this one, according to some PC hand-wringers.

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Offline Zero2Cool  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:33:38 AM(UTC)
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Snyder and Goodell are meeting about a name change today. If they change, well, when they change the name, it's gonna be a sad day for NFL historians.

Rumor says Washington Bravehearts.

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Offline rabidgopher04  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:16:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Rumor says Washington Bravehearts.


Is that offensive to Scots?

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Offline steveishere  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 7:58:19 AM(UTC)
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It is pretty much a racial slur but I doubt that's the context they created the team/name under for what it's worth. They'll certainly have to change the name at some point might as well get it over with.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:47:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Snyder and Goodell are meeting about a name change today. If they change, well, when they change the name, it's gonna be a sad day for NFL historians.

Rumor says Washington Bravehearts.


I can see the mascot now: wearing a kilt with NOTHING underneath. I wonder who THAT would be offensive to hahahaha.
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Offline sschind  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:14:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PackerTraxx Go to Quoted Post
Never understood the problem with nicknames. Butchers aren't offended by the Packers, Americans by the Patriots, the Scandanavian countries by the Vikings, cowboys by the Cowboys, tall people by the Giants, miners by the 49'ers, church people by the Saints, Texans by the Texans, Paul Brown's family by the Browns, just the ones I can think of from pro football. There's many more in other sports and college. Nicknames are chosen for the positives they represent, strength, courage, loyalty, speed, power, athleticism, vision, etc. How people find that derogatory doesn't make sense to me. In most cases Native Americans don't have a problem with it and actually favor it. But the small noisey minority seem to get what they want.


Well, I won't say my pet Jaguar is offended but he certainly is very embarrassed.
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Offline sschind  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:16:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 Go to Quoted Post
Is that offensive to Scots?



It should be offensive to all humans. Its a stupid name and we should all be offended that someone has even suggested it.

I fully respect your right to have your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it or respect you for having it.
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 8:56:16 PM(UTC)
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It’s not a cut and dry issue. I understand wanting to preserve tradition and there’s an element here that would make this a divisive issue in order to advance their political agenda. However, what would happen if an NFL team called itself the Honkies, Crackers, or Rednecks? Are those acceptable terms? What if the owner is a minority? Are you still cool with it?

Ignorance of a word does not change what the word is intended to do. Would we be okay if Atlanta was the Cotton Pickers instead of the Atlanta Falcons? That's a little more straightforward and hits home to our history. We don’t focus much on the treatment of Native Americans in our country’s origins. Certainly, not like we do African Americans, but that doesn’t mean we don’t owe it to ourselves to discuss this and to hear the voices of others, even if it’s just a vocal minority.

In addition, would this even be up for debate if it didn’t involve one of the league’s high-profile franchises? If this was Jacksonville or San Diego, the name would've changed by now and Roger Goodell would’ve led the charge. But Daniel Snyder is an influential owner, so Goodell must tread lightly. Plus, the NFL wants to preserve the Redskin/Cowboy rivalry. Jerry Jones is also influential, so don't think he doesn't have his say in this as well.

Football is the nation's most popular sport. With great power comes great responsibility. They have to lead on this. That’s why the pressure is on them and not the NHL or MLB. People are looking toward football. Once they change it (and I think they will, eventually), you can bet the other sports will follow suit.
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42:58 PM(UTC)
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Before Atlanta stole the Braves from Milwaukee, do you know what the Atlanta triple A team was called? the Atlanta CRACKERS.

Hell yeah, the NFL is the biggest most popular sport, and thus it has a responsibility - A RESPONSIBILITY TO HOLD THE LINE AGAINST STUPIDITY AND RUNNING AWAY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2013 5:42:58 AM(UTC)
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Honkies, Crackers, or Rednecks terms are flung around left and right, yet do you see any protests over it? No and if you did, guess what, they'd be labeled RACIST. But when the cards are flipped, it's culturally acceptable as "morally correct".

I doubt I'm the only one who falls into this category, but if there wasn't any hoopla over Redskins name, I wouldn't even known that a few Native Americans took offense to the word, or that the word was even aimed to disparage them.

Where were the protests from the WHITES against this guy?
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We overcompensate and it needs to STOP. Look at the NFL and their despicable 'interview a minority' rule. Are you kidding me? You can't be more offensive.

We want racism and discrimination to not exist, then WE need to quit doing things like that.

Wait until you get passed over for a job because the employer needs to hire a female or a minority for their staff statistics. What does this cause? MORE RACISM! MORE DISCRIMINATION!


Did we not have Native Americans in the 1920's? Why the hoopla now? Why is it picking up steam NOW? Simple. People want something to get behind and bitch about.

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Offline PackFanWithTwins  
#28 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2013 6:21:52 AM(UTC)
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The term Redskin is not the same as Cracker or redneck, those are labels that are intended. Redskin isn't, and isn't any more than saying Indian or Native American. Leave the name, and leave the name on all the High Schools around that are also being harassed and have been for decades by busy bodies with nothing better to do with their time.

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Offline Cheesey  
#29 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:19:15 PM(UTC)
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There is reverse discrimination against whites all the time.
My wife was passed over for a job because of skin color. She wasn't "dark" enough.

I remember back in the 1970's I was thinking of trying to be a Milwaukee cop. I saw the ad in the local paper (the Milwaukee Journal) and the last line said "If you are a minority or a woman, please apply". HUH!?!?
If you were a white male and more qualified, you were pushed aside and not hired.

And believe me, when i worked for the Milwaukee Sentinel, i was out all around the city all hours of the night. I saw cops that quite frankly, looked more like they were belonging under a bridge then patroling the streets.
Hat on sideways, "pimping" their walk.......not who i would want showing up in a time of need.

This whole "political correctness" has spun out of control in my view.
You have to worry about anything you say or do, cause you can be SURE that SOMEONE will be offended.
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Offline steveishere  
#30 Posted : Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:36:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
Before Atlanta stole the Braves from Milwaukee, do you know what the Atlanta triple A team was called? the Atlanta CRACKERS.

Hell yeah, the NFL is the biggest most popular sport, and thus it has a responsibility - A RESPONSIBILITY TO HOLD THE LINE AGAINST STUPIDITY AND RUNNING AWAY POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.


The NFLs only real responsibility is to make $$. If enough people are pissed about something whether they should be or not and it could potentially effect the $$ that's all that matters to them.
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