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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Sunday, April 7, 2013 9:27:05 PM(UTC)
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Notre Dame tight end Tyler Eifert and Alabama running back Eddie Lacy remain as prominent first-round targets for the Packers, at least according to the mock draft gurus.
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#2 Posted : Sunday, April 7, 2013 10:59:48 PM(UTC)
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I'd take Lacy over Eifert.
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#3 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 5:05:26 AM(UTC)
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Those are both great players and would make a positive impact on our team. No question. But, this defense is in dire need of attention, and I hope they get the right players to shore it up. I would think that they would know how deep their position needs are in this draft, and who they can expect to be available as they work their way through. I don't care if they go with an O player in R1, as long as they fix the D. I think fixing the D is paramount in importance if we are to truly contend for another SB.

I'll add, the running game plays into fixing the D. A lot that went wrong last year was the result of a worn out defense who took on too many reps because our O too often couldn't sustain drives. Getting a top RB would help both sides of the ball.

I do like the idea of adding a top talent at TE. That is a component that could prove difficult to stop, two TE sets with real talent there.
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#4 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 5:36:40 AM(UTC)
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I'd rather go with Lacy over Eifert if the choice is between those two. I really don't see the point in drafting a TE when we have 2-3 we never use to begin with on a regular basis (yeah Taylor is more ST but still). I can count the number of times I've seen pass attempts to DJ Williams during games I've been able to watch live on one hand.
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#5 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 5:56:46 AM(UTC)
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yeah the experts sure know it all. TE on a team with doesn't need a TE and wasting a first round pick on a RB is what GB needs to do.
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 6:26:44 AM(UTC)
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Lacy may and probably will be a very good RB but my hesitation is that he played behind a dominant OL and also split time this year with a freshman that got a lot of carries. I saw games where Lacy came in and ran over teams late when Alabama had beaten their opponents up pretty bad.

He definitely had an advantage of fresh legs and an OL that pummeled opposing defenses. Especially by the 2nd half.

Now Eifert lined up off tackle with Finley or Cobb moving around pre-snap might offer match ups nobody has an answer for.
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#7 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 7:06:43 AM(UTC)
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Maybe I am just trying to buffer the blow of possibly picking a RB in the 1st. We could use the kid, if they decide he is the choice. Since they are predicting Lacy, we can pretty much rest assured that it won't happen...

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#8 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 8:03:18 AM(UTC)
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We can pretty much expect Ted to do the unexpected.

That is all!
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#9 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 8:07:41 AM(UTC)
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I just can't imagine us picking a RB in the 1st round. Of course, I haven't been present in the scouting meetings over in GB, but it doesn't seem like our FO values the position enough to spend a first round pick on, especially not when there's some excellent value to be gotten in round 3, 4 and 5.

A TE, on the other hand, doesn't look like that big of a longshot to me.

First of all, Eifert would be incredible value at 26, regardless of our needs.

Secondly, that'd give you some real options at TE. You don't have to replace a guy like Greg Jennings with another WR, if you can switch to more 2 TE sets, you get more balanced while still having the ability to spread out with a guy like Finley in there, as well. It can make for a passing threat with a dual TE wishbone and for a running threat that started as a 4-wide, 2 TE, 2 WR formation.

Thirdly, Finley will be gone next year, most likely. He'll either perform admirably and we won't be able to afford him or he'll perform awfully and we won't want him as our nr. 1 TE, anymore. If you're going to depend on the draft alone, you need to see gaps before they're their, as you can't keep banking on rookies to step in and contribute right away. This would be a great pick from an insurance standpoint, as well.

Of course, I'm still more interested in picking Justin Hunter, but that's a whole different story.
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#10 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 10:16:44 AM(UTC)
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RB is supposed to be pretty deep this year. Someone posted a scout saying you could find a starter in later rounds. If that is the case, I expect Ted to do just that.
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#11 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 1:39:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
yeah the experts sure know it all. TE on a team with doesn't need a TE and wasting a first round pick on a RB is what GB needs to do.


How is TE not a need for the Packers? As has been mentioned, Finley is as good as gone after this season. When using the approach the Packers do, needs are identified and filled in advance (ideally), not after the holes already exist. If TE is the best player available according to their board, I'd love the pick. I want the player that is most likely to have a great 10+ year career, not simply a player that is a "need." The other tight ends on the roster are nothing more than backups, imo, and possibly not even great backups. I don't think many would cry over losing a Ryan Taylor, DJ Williams, Mulligan, etc. Their just depth and/or special teams guy. Quarless is still a huge question mark and even if fully healthy again he would be stretched to be anything more than a decent number 2 quality tight end. Definitely not a guy teams would have to spend much time game-planning for.

I simply can't see Lacy being the "best player available" at pick number 26. Perhaps a trade back into the second round could work out, but I'd rather just pick up some later round value RB. The Packers should be able to get a very nice value player at 26, imo.
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#12 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 2:53:59 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
How is TE not a need for the Packers? As has been mentioned, Finley is as good as gone after this season. When using the approach the Packers do, needs are identified and filled in advance (ideally), not after the holes already exist. If TE is the best player available according to their board, I'd love the pick. I want the player that is most likely to have a great 10+ year career, not simply a player that is a "need." The other tight ends on the roster are nothing more than backups, imo, and possibly not even great backups. I don't think many would cry over losing a Ryan Taylor, DJ Williams, Mulligan, etc. Their just depth and/or special teams guy. Quarless is still a huge question mark and even if fully healthy again he would be stretched to be anything more than a decent number 2 quality tight end. Definitely not a guy teams would have to spend much time game-planning for.

I simply can't see Lacy being the "best player available" at pick number 26. Perhaps a trade back into the second round could work out, but I'd rather just pick up some later round value RB. The Packers should be able to get a very nice value player at 26, imo.


I say Quarless is sound and puts up big numbers. But then what do I know?
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 4:56:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: yooperfan Go to Quoted Post
We can pretty much expect Ted to do the unexpected.

That is all!


That's for sure. I think the last time he did the expected, we ended up with A.J. Hawk. (I wanted Vernon Davis that year).

I agree with wpr that Quarles may be decent; Also with play2win that it has to be defense; Also with the guy that pointed out RBs are deep this year and Ted Thompson will probably get one later. Montee Ball in the 4th would be a dream pick; in the 3rd wouldn't be bad either.

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#14 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 5:03:43 PM(UTC)
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For what it's worth, I went with LSU safety Eric Reid.

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Former defensive player of the year Charles Woodson’s departure created news this off-season. Many consider safety a position of need because of his release. Losing his leadership stings, but Green Bay’s already replaced him with cornerback Casey Heyward. Their hole at safety stems from losing Nick Collins to injury in 2011. Reid’s a logical replacement. He’s the best size and speed safety available. His 2012 season was somewhat of a letdown, but he’s a playmaking, centerfield type of safety. His best football is ahead of him.

I do prefer Florida safety Matt Elam, but I slotted him earlier. This is my second mock draft. I originally went with Alabama DT Jesse Williams, but I did more homework on Reid and I'm liking him a lot more.
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#15 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 6:01:49 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I say Quarless is sound and puts up big numbers. But then what do I know?


I certainly hope you're right. But even before Quarless' injury, he looked like an average starter, at best, to me. I suppose I'm just skeptical that he'll be much better than that any time soon, if ever, after such a bad injury. Yeah, a team like the Packers can get by with only an average to slightly below average tight end when they have 4-5 very good WRs, but it's obviously not ideal. The Packers WR group is still good, but as it stands now, I wouldn't consider them "great" (although with Rodgers throwing them the ball, perhaps they still are).

As I said, I just want the player that Ted Thompson and staff thinks has the best chance to have a very successful 10+ year career, regardless of position. Personally, I hope that player plays defense, specifically a defensive linemen or pass rusher, but any defender would be great. Otherwise, if a tight end such as Eifert is clearly the best player available, I would like the pick. Even without any draft picks, I expect the Packers defense to be better this upcoming season, so long as they stay somewhat healthy. Like it or not, the Packers are likely to still win most their games on the back of Aaron Rodgers and the offense so if the draft goes that way, I can understand it.

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#16 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 6:23:38 PM(UTC)
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After witnessing what has happened to our team, I agree with Woodson's assessment after our playoff loss that we need to get bigger and faster on defense. It won't happen if we don't pick those players, because we just don't add those players in FA.

Given that, I do trust Ted, and I agree doddpower that if TE is the pick, and they feel confident they can address the D R2-7 that's fine with me. But we need a lot of players on that side. Everything has to go right with some coming off injury, like Bish & Perry. Whoever we pick at DE will have to be starting talent.

I'm really just hoping for the best. I think we are perilously thin on our front 7. I don't like that.

Figure, we shouldn't be counting on Pickett due to age, Wilson due to his inability to get to the QB, Worthy due to his injury which has put his 2013 in question, Perry & Bishop coming off injury.

What does that leave? Neal, Raji, Daniels, Matthews Hawk... all with NO backup.

I mean, I like Moses...
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#17 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 10:07:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
After witnessing what has happened to our team, I agree with Woodson's assessment after our playoff loss that we need to get bigger and faster on defense. It won't happen if we don't pick those players, because we just don't add those players in FA.

Given that, I do trust Ted, and I agree doddpower that if TE is the pick, and they feel confident they can address the D R2-7 that's fine with me. But we need a lot of players on that side. Everything has to go right with some coming off injury, like Bish & Perry. Whoever we pick at DE will have to be starting talent.

I'm really just hoping for the best. I think we are perilously thin on our front 7. I don't like that.

Figure, we shouldn't be counting on Pickett due to age, Wilson due to his inability to get to the QB, Worthy due to his injury which has put his 2013 in question, Perry & Bishop coming off injury.

What does that leave? Neal, Raji, Daniels, Matthews Hawk... all with NO backup.

I mean, I like Moses...


Why cant Pickett be counted on to do what he does best? Take on blockers and stop the run.
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#18 Posted : Monday, April 8, 2013 10:40:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Why cant Pickett be counted on to do what he does best? Take on blockers and stop the run.


He will be. But he can only play so many snaps, PLUS he's what, 32 now? Getting up there.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:58:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: doddpower Go to Quoted Post
Why cant Pickett be counted on to do what he does best? Take on blockers and stop the run.


I know what you are saying. Pickett is my favorite DL, and arguably our best DL. I just think with his age, and considering he has taken almost all the snaps for 2+ yrs, the guy needs to be used differently, in a platoon. I think it would be foolish of this team to assume he could take all the snaps through 16 games again, plus playoffs. We should be inserting a starting calibre DE in place of Pick, and let him work in a rotation.

I would say the same for Raji. He's young enough to absorb a giant load of the snaps, but that doesn't mean he should. He already has, for over 3 years now! I think it is foolish the way they have been using BJ Raji, with no real backup. He is a far more effective player when he gets a breather. We should be looking to add starters at both DE and NT so there is no drop off in rotation, and those who have been there for years can be used more effectively.

While I liked the Perry pick last year, he has a lot of proving to do. Do we just assume we are OK at LOLB because he is returning from IR? I would add an insurance pick there. ILB is the same situation with Bishop returning from IR off the hamstring. Do we assume we are good to go there? I guess we have Brad Jones to soften the blow if not. Are we better at the position? Are we improving? I'm hoping like hell Dezman Moses and Terrell Manning come on like a Tsunami in year 2 with the Packers.

We haven't even gotten to S, but we could probably stand to get a really good one. I do like McMillian a lot, and hope he makes this a non-issue. They sure do like Sean Richardson, keeping an extra roster spot for him last season. Maybe we are better there than we might think. Certainly, it is a huge unknown.

How many picks is that to shore this up on D? We have to get bigger and faster in our front 7. We only have 8 picks. Based solely on need: DE, NT, LB, S, C, RB, TE, WR, LT. I see 9 positions there that could use upgrades, with only 8 picks. Figure half, if we are lucky, will be improvements over what we had last season.

Couldn't we have picked up ONE quality FA at a position of need? One that makes us markedly better at a position? I guess not. Sorry, I'm still a bit burned by that issue... Maybe we hit one or two positions with an older vet after the draft.

Mike Daniels, Mike Neal, Jordan Miller, CJ Wilson, Johhny Jolly. That's who we have right now besides Pick and Raji. I'm not counting Worthy as he's in danger of missing the season altogether on IR. IMO, our only sure bet in this group is Mike Neal. I really like Daniels, but he is a smaller player. He's going to have to really show well this year. We only kept 6 DL on our final 53 man roster last year. I think that is one short.

Maybe Johnny Jolly comes back after 3 years away and contributes. I'm not banking on that, as much as I would love to see it. Counting on that though seems a bit crazy to me.

None of this is directed at you doddpower, I'm just trying to explain why I wanted us to shore up a couple of areas in FA, and what I see as our real needs if we are to become a better team. I think we have a lot of positions to address. And, yes, maybe Bish and Perry come back and we are in a far better position than I am making this out to be here. I just want our team to make sure we are covered with better talent where we really need it.

If we draft Lacy or Eifert, I'll be fine with that as long as they have a plan to get the rest of our needs addressed.

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:52:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: porky88 Go to Quoted Post
For what it's worth, I went with LSU safety Eric Reid.

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I do prefer Florida safety Matt Elam, but I slotted him earlier. This is my second mock draft. I originally went with Alabama DT Jesse Williams, but I did more homework on Reid and I'm liking him a lot more.


I'd like to point out that Matt has a crush on players named Matt. Matt Ryan, and now Matt Elam. I am not surprised. :P


I think porky has picked fairly well for the Packers, I think. These mock drafts I see all over ... has anyone ever been correct twice? I think many picked A.J. Hawk and Nick Perry correct, ... other than that, I don't think anyone has correctly slotted the Packers first round or second round pick back to back.
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