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macbob  
#21 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 5:35:14 PM(UTC)
Unfortunately, I agree with Z2C on Lacy. I hope I'm wrong, but I've got a bad feeling about that pick for the reasons already articulated (injury prone, question on whether his running success was due to his own ability or his OL, his apparently lack-luster preparation for his own personal pro day). Hope Lacy takes offense at Florio's 'potential bust' comment...

http://profootballtalk.n...eview-green-bay-packers/

Florio for PFT said:
Where they hit: Franklin fits perfectly with the West Coast offense, and he could become a star in that system...

Where they missed: There’s a reason Lacy was available late in round two. From chronic injury problems to a concern that he lacks true passion for football, Lacy has potential bust written all over him. While they needed running backs, Franklin fits. Lacy may not.
warhawk  
#22 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 5:38:46 PM(UTC)
Let me try and warm some of you up to Lacy and I will admit I needed to come around on the pick but only a little.

In the four biggest games the Tide played last year which was LSU #5, Texas A&M in the only loss, Georgia in the SEC title game, and Notre Dame in the National Championship:

Lacy ran for 490+ yards with his lowest average per attempt at 5.9 yards against A&M.

He scored at least one TD in each of these games and was the SEC Championship Game MVP with 180 yards.

That was against Georgia who had umpteen defensive guys drafted. The Tide almost lost that game. Lacy pulled their fat out of the fryer. They don't win that game they don't play ND for the National Championship.

Not many guys even get to play in games like this let alone show up essentially every time and play that well. So yeah, I've kind of warmed up to the kid.





Pack93z  
#23 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 5:50:56 PM(UTC)
warhawk said: Go to Quoted Post
Let me try and warm some of you up to Lacy and I will admit I needed to come around on the pick but only a little.

In the four biggest games the Tide played last year which was LSU #5, Texas A&M in the only loss, Georgia in the SEC title game, and Notre Dame in the National Championship:

Lacy ran for 490+ yards with his lowest average per attempt at 5.9 yards against A&M.

He scored at least one TD in each of these games and was the SEC Championship Game MVP with 180 yards.

That was against Georgia who had umpteen defensive guys drafted. The Tide almost lost that game. Lacy pulled their fat out of the fryer. They don't win that game they don't play ND for the National Championship.

Not many guys even get to play in games like this let alone show up essentially every time and play that well. So yeah, I've kind of warmed up to the kid.



And here is the counter... Yeldon in those 4 games ran 67 times for 366 yards for a 5.5 yards per carry. So is it the backs or a dominate offensive line.. I can say because I watched both.. my opinion the line dominated against Georgia after wearing them down and crushed ND.

play2win  
#24 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 6:30:15 PM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
I have two concerns about Lacy. #1 is injury history. The boys are bigger and stronger in the NFL. #2 is he ran through massive holes created by one of (if not the) best O-lines in college football. Production may not translate.

That said him and Franklin are a huge upgrade to our current RB options. The fact both are great pass protectors makes their value even larger.


Huge injury history. Missed 1 game in 2 years.

So, its OK to roast Lacy for going soft in his Pro Day even though he was nursing a hammy? The same injury that Clay Matthews has fought through? He's a RB! His game is as much about speed as Matthews.

To me, Eddie Lacy was just being responsible. Smart.

"Strained hamstrings are unable to do their job as effectively, usually manifested as the need for a shorter stride length on the injured side. They are also prone to further, more serious injury. As a result, Lacy running on an injured hamstring would not only likely produce a slower 40 time, it could also do more damage to the muscle." http://m.bleacherreport....-lacys-injured-hamstring

Dude suffered ONE injury at Alabama, a foot injury in 2011 after rushing for 61 yds and a TD against Arkansas, sitting out the next game.

Played every game in 2012.

Huge injury history.
Zero2Cool  
#25 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 6:35:19 PM(UTC)
I wanted to see how the other Alabama running backs did...thought I'd share the graphic for you all as well.
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play2win  
#26 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 6:52:59 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I wanted to see how the other Alabama running backs did...thought I'd share the graphic for you all as well.



When did Eddie Lacy piss in your Cornflakes?

Jesus Christ!

And... Johnathan Franklin had 282 ATT 1734 YDS and 13 TDs

Lacy had 4 more TDs, a better average per carry in 80 fewer ATT. So Bama ran a lot. They were good at it. Who cares?

Seems like a lot of nit picking to me.
Pack93z  
#27 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 7:28:38 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I wanted to see how the other Alabama running backs did...thought I'd share the graphic for you all as well.


And that is what I mean but not being the bell cow in the other thread.
nerdmann  
#28 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 7:36:33 PM(UTC)
Richardson has done pretty well in the pro game so far.

There are scouts who think Lacy is better than Richardson. We shall see.
DoddPower  
#29 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 7:41:40 PM(UTC)
Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
And that is what I mean but not being the bell cow in the other thread.


Eh, Lacy may bust or he may not. I dont think he will. He is undoubtedly a talented player. At the position he was drafted he is well worth the risk, imo. No doubt about it. He's going to bring some toughness to the Packers running game and will be able to split the pressure with J. Franklin. Boom or bust, maybe, but im glad Ted Thompson took the risk at the position Lacy was drafted.
wpr  
#30 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 8:24:53 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
hahahahaha "year year" there you go again!


keep me straight.
nerdmann  
#31 Posted : Monday, April 29, 2013 10:34:46 PM(UTC)
doddpower said: Go to Quoted Post
Eh, Lacy may bust or he may not. I dont think he will. He is undoubtedly a talented player. At the position he was drafted he is well worth the risk, imo. No doubt about it. He's going to bring some toughness to the Packers running game and will be able to split the pressure with J. Franklin. Boom or bust, maybe, but im glad Ted Thompson took the risk at the position Lacy was drafted.


Everybody knows that Aaron's never going to stop throwing deep. These RBs are gonna have some space to run. Should be interesting. I know I'll be watching.
TheKanataThrilla  
#32 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:35:24 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Huge injury history. Missed 1 game in 2 years.

So, its OK to roast Lacy for going soft in his Pro Day even though he was nursing a hammy? The same injury that Clay Matthews has fought through? He's a RB! His game is as much about speed as Matthews.

To me, Eddie Lacy was just being responsible. Smart.

"Strained hamstrings are unable to do their job as effectively, usually manifested as the need for a shorter stride length on the injured side. They are also prone to further, more serious injury. As a result, Lacy running on an injured hamstring would not only likely produce a slower 40 time, it could also do more damage to the muscle." http://m.bleacherreport....-lacys-injured-hamstring

Dude suffered ONE injury at Alabama, a foot injury in 2011 after rushing for 61 yds and a TD against Arkansas, sitting out the next game.

Played every game in 2012.

Huge injury history.




I didn't say huge injury history. I said injury history. At the running back position a hamstring injury is a concern which was the point of my post. I think many people are concerned with Clay's hammy injury as well given the large contract we signed him too. I don't think the guy is going to suck I am just concerned we may have a player that may not live up to the first round grade everyone gave him. I think he was value where we got him. I was not on board with using our first pick on him. Honestly I think Franklin may end up being the better back out of the two for us. We'll see... I hope it makes defences respect our run and Aaron shreds them with even worse his arm.
Gaycandybacon  
#33 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:32:35 AM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
I didn't say huge inury history. I said injury history. At the running back position a hamstring injury is a concern which was the point of my post. I think many people are concerned with Clay's hammy injury as well given the large contract we signed him too. I don't think the guy is going to suck I am just concerned we may have a player that may not live up to the first round grade everyone gave him. I think he was value where we got him. I was not on board with using our first pick on him. Honestly I think Franklin may end up being the better back out of the two for us. We'll see... I hope it makes defences respect our run and Aaron shreds them with even worse his arm.


As long as Mike McCarthy doesn't spam Lacy carries, and give him, Harris, and Franklin shared carries he will keep injure free. Like everyone said we'll have to see, the guys a big strong player, he can play through injures, I think that's part of the reason Teddy took him. If we had injure riddled backs i'd be concerned. Only Running backs that have injure history on this team is Starks and Green and they'll be fighting for jobs.

The Packers wanted depth on this team. That's what they got in the draft. Got a little stronger and a little faster at the RB position. It's gonna help us in the long run. If we can get an effective running game going it will only help our defense and hurt the opposing teams.
play2win  
#34 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:09:17 AM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
I didn't say huge inury history. I said injury history. At the running back position a hamstring injury is a concern which was the point of my post. I think many people are concerned with Clay's hammy injury as well given the large contract we signed him too. I don't think the guy is going to suck I am just concerned we may have a player that may not live up to the first round grade everyone gave him. I think he was value where we got him. I was not on board with using our first pick on him. Honestly I think Franklin may end up being the better back out of the two for us. We'll see... I hope it makes defences respect our run and Aaron shreds them with even worse his arm.



Yeah. KanataTrilla, I got you. I don't want you to think I was addressing you specifically, but I didn't communicate that well. My bad.

I was more frustrated by the large number of people mentioning his injury history, which is, in fact, quite minimal.

Lacy has displayed quite a bit of toughness in his two years at Alabama. I don't automatically seeing that changing because he's now with the Packers.

I like both of our new RBs, equally. They both bring different styles that I believe will complement each other well. I cannot wait to see this throughout this season. That's going to be big fun to watch!
wpr  
#35 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:19:40 AM(UTC)
Quid2Facis said: Go to Quoted Post
All I think is that Lacy has had injury problems throughout most of his college career, which has always gotten a lot of attention because Alabama relied heavily upon him after Ingram and then Richardson left. When Lacy was the #2 RB after Richardson he still ran for some 600+ yards.

When he was the #1 RB he more than doubled that and that was after the initial instance of the toe injury. The guy gets injured but keeps playing, there have been a lot of great NFL players that had that same demeanor.

As far as the Alabama Offensive line, analysts were not convinced of their invincibility at the beginning of the 2011 or 2012 seasons. It's a combination of both the line and the RBs that make Alabama what it is.

Lacy will play, and put the work in to succeed. He's already shown that otherwise he would have missed far more games in his college career than he actually did from all those "injuries".


It is interesting to see how some people really don't care for Lacy and assume the worst even before he has been to TC. Others see the numbers he put up and can see he will do the same or at least similar in the pros.

I figure between Lacy and Franklin one of the two of them will have a solid season and I don't care which one it is. Personally I am willing to wait a game or two before I write off Lacy and his injury history. But then I stuck by Harrell too long so what do I know.
Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:43:51 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
When did Eddie Lacy piss in your Cornflakes?

Jesus Christ!

And... Johnathan Franklin had 282 ATT 1734 YDS and 13 TDs

Lacy had 4 more TDs, a better average per carry in 80 fewer ATT. So Bama ran a lot. They were good at it. Who cares?

Seems like a lot of nit picking to me.


I think you need to relax. All I did was post the running back stats for Alabama out of curiosity. You do realize that having less carries usually means a higher yards per carry, right? That's why when stats are shown for yards per carry they say "250 carries or more" or something similar.

Random bit of information: T.J. Yeldon ran a 4.3 forty yard dash.

I've attached UCLA stats too.

It's not that I hate Eddie Lacy or anything like, so not sure why you blew up. Alabama ran a lot because they had a NFL OL against a College OL, lol. That's my point. The Packers OL just doesn't open those kind of holes. I like Lacy's footwork and size. I just don't think he's the end all to the Packers running game. It is not nitpicking to have an opinion.

And MY opinion is when all things considered, Franklin will be more important to the Packers than Lacy.



wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
It is interesting to see how some people really don't care for Lacy and assume the worst even before he has been to TC. Others see the numbers he put up and can see he will do the same or at least similar in the pros.

I figure between Lacy and Franklin one of the two of them will have a solid season and I don't care which one it is. Personally I am willing to wait a game or two before I write off Lacy and his injury history. But then I stuck by Harrell too long so what do I know.



I wouldn't write anyone off yet, nor do I think anyone has. I think people are sharing their opinions of each player. If Eddie Lacy runs for 1,200, great, my opinion will change.
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wpr  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:01:15 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I think you need to relax. All I did was post the running back stats for Alabama out of curiosity. You do realize that having less carries usually means a higher yards per carry, right? That's why when stats are shown for yards per carry they say "250 carries or more" or something similar.

Random bit of information: T.J. Yeldon ran a 4.3 forty yard dash.

I've attached UCLA stats too.

It's not that I hate Eddie Lacy or anything like, so not sure why you blew up. Alabama ran a lot because they had a NFL OL against a College OL, lol. That's my point. The Packers OL just doesn't open those kind of holes. I like Lacy's footwork and size. I just don't think he's the end all to the Packers running game. It is not nitpicking to have an opinion.

And MY opinion is when all things considered, Franklin will be more important to the Packers than Lacy.






I wouldn't write anyone off yet, nor do I think anyone has. I think people are sharing their opinions of each player. If Eddie Lacy runs for 1,200, great, my opinion will change.


I enjoy reading the opinions of others. They should share them. I have tended to be a little leery of Lacy. Not as much as some others. I feel a lot better about him since GB hedged their bet with Franklin. Certainly I am glad they didn't acquire him in the first round. That said I don't know what he can do yet so I wait.

But while waiting for the results for all the players to come in we do have to do something don't we?
Mucky Tundra  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:27:29 AM(UTC)
I think in terms of major injuries he'll be fine. It's all the small nagging ones that will always bothering him like Brain Westbrook of the Eagles who was permanently on the injured list as Probable. After year 5 or 6 is when the wheels will start coming off. But by that point with him and Franklin leading the way there should be about 3 or 4 Super Bowl victories by the time that happens. [grin1]
play2win  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:32:03 AM(UTC)
There have been a good number of posts about Lacy closing with the words, "I hope I'm wrong..." Pretty much slamming the guy for Alabama having a good OL to run behind, having multiple 1000 yds running backs, having a hamstring injury at the combine and his pro day, him being " out of shape," having the toe fusion, questioning his willingness to play, etc. "Bust..."

I didn't make that up.

Just kind of blew me away when he was regarded as THE top RB in this draft. He certainly had no problems starting and playing well in all but 1 game over 2 years, helping his team to win a National Championship.

For some reason, Eddie Lacy seemed to not get a whole lot of respect in quite a lot of comments here and elsewhere. The guy has proven himself to be one of the toughest RBs in this draft. If fears about his toe fusion or a pulled hammy kept other teams from drafting him, well thank God for that!

How many other players we just drafted have had their injuries scrutinized so heavily? None.

Eddie Lacy seems like a gamer, and I wish him well in tearing through our opponent's secondaries!
steveishere  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:45:03 AM(UTC)
http://www.thesidelinevi...top-running-backs-tier-1

"What I’ve done is sample their games and count the number of plays in which the running back was not touched or did not have to make a football move (juke, spin, etc.) within five yards of the line of scrimmage. This is to measure how many “free” touches each RB got."

"Lacy’s low 4.6% free carries doesn’t mean Alabama’s O-line was bad; Chance Warmack and Fluker alone should quell that criticism. It’s most likely a result of tougher SEC run defenses that swarmed faster to the ball."
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