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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:27:01 AM(UTC)
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Tramon Williams is still a solid cover corner I wouldn't go as far as to cutting him from the team. Only thing that's trickled him the past few seasons is tackling imo. If he has a bad year ya release him, move on. I just don't see it happening.

Newhouse I could see happening but he's developed into a decent player since he was drafted. Gotten bigger, sured up on some fundamentals. He just doesn't have the feet counter some fast pass rushers. I still like them to keep Newhouse for at least another year.

Jarrett Bush and M.D. Jennings are possible players I could see them letting go. Maybe D.J. Williams or Andrew Quarless too.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:29:17 AM(UTC)
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Personally, I think next offseason is either a contract rework or and exit from Green Bay for Tramon.. unless he returns to pre-shoulder injury form this season.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:38:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Personally, I can't see this happening... especially with Sherrod just coming off such a serious injury. Newhouse isn't a blue chip tackle by any means, but he also isn't pink slip worthy either. At least not yet.

I would love to see Datko develop and take his spot.. but I think the Packers continually error on not establishing and developing true tackles at the starters and then back fill with versatile replacements.. Datko would be a true tackle playing the position..

I am excited to see how Bakhtiari adjusts to the NFL game at the edge.. upper body wise not sure he can handle the edge.. struggles with speed rushers and slow to establish that first step and anchor.. not sure he will stick at tackle. Probably a swing guy.. I wish him or Trekker.. or someone comes in and becomes an ass kicker in the middle of that line.. I think and have thought it has been missing for a great while in Green Bay.. Flanny was probably the last real nasty physical guy inside. Lang, Sitton and ??? would make a truly physical trio in the middle.


Yeah, that was a tough one. Marshall Newhouse is a pure LT, about as pure as it gets:

"COLLEGE: Played in all 52 games during his college career, starting every game but one at left tackle in his final three seasons for the Horned Frogs…Appeared in a bowl game each of his four seasons at TCU…As a senior, was a member of a TCU team that posted the school’s first undefeated regular season in 71 years as well as its first-ever BCS bowl bid, an appearance in the Fiesta Bowl vs. Boise State…Played in the East-West Shrine Game following his senior season, where he appeared at multiple spots along the offensive line in practices and during the game…Earned his degree in advertising and public relations, with a minor in art…Senior season (2009): Played in all 13 games with 12 starts at LT and earned first-team All-MWC honors…Named a third-team All-American by Rivals.com and was an honorable mention All-America selection by SI.com…Appeared on the Rotary Lombardi Award Watch List…Member of a TCU team that finished 12-0 in the regular season, the first undefeated regular season for the school in 71 years…The Horned Frogs’ lone defeat came to Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl, the first BCS bowl appearance in school history…Part of a TCU offense that ranked in the top 10 nationally in scoring (38.3 points per game), total offense (456.7 yards per game), and rushing (239.5 yards per game)…Also part of a line that helped the Horned Frogs rank sixth nationally in allowing only 12 sacks (0.92 per game)…Junior season (2008): Started all 13 contests at LT for the second straight season…Earned second-team All-MWC honors…Helped Horned Frogs average 220.2 yards per game on the ground, good for No. 11 in the country, and score 39 rushing TDs, which was tied for No. 5 in the nation…Sophomore season (2007): Started all 13 games at LT and earned honorable mention All-MWC honors…Led the team in knockdown blocks and overall blocking grade…Freshman season (2006): Played in all 13 games as the only true freshman to play on offense."

I don't know. If he beats out both Sherrod and Datko, great! I really like Newhouse. He just didn't show too well last season.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:42:25 AM(UTC)
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Yes... and the Packers toyed with kicking him inside as well.

Personally.. I can't wait for Campen to be walked.. even if it takes walking the whole damn staff. lol.

There is no damn way.. with as long as he has been here.. that yearly we should be answering questions on the offensive line because he fails to develop a solid unit. Period.

Said the same damn thing in 2008.. 2009.. 2010.. 2011. and 2012.. and I am pretty damn sure that it will not change this season. Inconsistency has been his trademark along with running through prospect after prospect.

I gave up on him in 2008.. two years after Ted handed him 3 picks to develop.. pathetic.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:50:03 AM(UTC)
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If Sherrod is healthy to compete he will get every shot to start at LT. Either way, either one that starts we will have pretty damn good depth at Tackle.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:51:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Yes... and the Packers toyed with kicking him inside as well.

Personally.. I can't wait for Campen to be walked.. even if it takes walking the whole damn staff. lol.

There is no damn way.. with as long as he has been here.. that yearly we should be answering questions on the offensive line because he fails to develop a solid unit. Period.

Said the same damn thing in 2008.. 2009.. 2010.. 2011. and 2012.. and I am pretty damn sure that it will not change this season. Inconsistency has been his trademark along with running through prospect after prospect.

I gave up on him in 2008.. two years after Ted handed him 3 picks to develop.. pathetic.


They talk about having a tougher team. I can not understand why they look at the players only. If they want a tougher team look at the position coaches too.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:57:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Yes... and the Packers toyed with kicking him inside as well.

Personally.. I can't wait for Campen to be walked.. even if it takes walking the whole damn staff. lol.

There is no damn way.. with as long as he has been here.. that yearly we should be answering questions on the offensive line because he fails to develop a solid unit. Period.

Said the same damn thing in 2008.. 2009.. 2010.. 2011. and 2012.. and I am pretty damn sure that it will not change this season. Inconsistency has been his trademark along with running through prospect after prospect.

I gave up on him in 2008.. two years after Ted handed him 3 picks to develop.. pathetic.


It's not all about Campen. It's acquiring the right players and keeping them healthy which they've struggled with for a while and we had no depth to back it all up. Their best picks by far are Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, and Sherrod. We've just had nothing behind them and we had problems finding that one LT. I say see what Bulaga has at LT. I thought we drafted him to play LT in the first place. We don't have to force him to play LT, we can just see what he's got there. I think Newhouse/Sherrod can develop nicely at the RT position instead of the pressure every snap of protecting the best QB in the league.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:10:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
Yes... and the Packers toyed with kicking him inside as well.

Personally.. I can't wait for Campen to be walked.. even if it takes walking the whole damn staff. lol.

There is no damn way.. with as long as he has been here.. that yearly we should be answering questions on the offensive line because he fails to develop a solid unit. Period.

Said the same damn thing in 2008.. 2009.. 2010.. 2011. and 2012.. and I am pretty damn sure that it will not change this season. Inconsistency has been his trademark along with running through prospect after prospect.

I gave up on him in 2008.. two years after Ted handed him 3 picks to develop.. pathetic.


Boy, you said it man! I have been so unimpressed with our OL coaching. McCarthy best light an inferno under Campen's ass this year. Top notch OL play can actually make or break us this season. We've certainly missed that these past two...
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:10:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
It's not all about Campen. It's acquiring the right players and keeping them healthy which they've struggled with for a while and we had no depth to back it all up. Their best picks by far are Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, and Sherrod. We've just had nothing behind them and we had problems finding that one LT. I say see what Bulaga has at LT. I thought we drafted him to play LT in the first place. We don't have to force him to play LT, we can just see what he's got there. I think Newhouse/Sherrod can develop nicely at the RT position instead of the pressure every snap of protecting the best QB in the league.


My opinion and thoughts on this..

Name a drafted Offensive Lineman under Campen's watch that is drafted, assigned a position and left to develop in that position. I can name 1. Sitton. I think it is not a coincidence that he is the only Pro Bowl caliber player currently on the roster.

And I think that goes a long way in developing a offensive line, especially if you are going to play them early in their career. No.. instead we flip them around like ping pong balls and expect them to play well when thrown to the wolves.

Lang, Bulaga, Colledge, Moll, Spitz, Coston, Barbre, Giacomini, Newhouse.. even Sherrod and Meredith were dicked with along the line.

Playing on offensive line is not only just personal talent.. it is continuity between the 5 and guys being able to rely that the other 4 are reading things the same way. Constantly flipping them from spot to spot, you disrupt that greatly. We have tried it for years.. since 2004/2005 in fact.. and it continues to fail year after year.

Again.. your backups, I can understand the concept if you have a solid starting core.. but trying to carry 7 or 8 with the moto of bouncing them around, especially the guys that are being counted on to play.. recipe for failure.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:14:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
It's not all about Campen. It's acquiring the right players and keeping them healthy which they've struggled with for a while and we had no depth to back it all up. Their best picks by far are Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, and Sherrod. We've just had nothing behind them and we had problems finding that one LT. I say see what Bulaga has at LT. I thought we drafted him to play LT in the first place. We don't have to force him to play LT, we can just see what he's got there. I think Newhouse/Sherrod can develop nicely at the RT position instead of the pressure every snap of protecting the best QB in the league.


This is true. Add to that a horrifically failed Jeff Saturday experiment at C... I often wonder how differently we might have fared if we had just plunked EDS in there from the get go last season. Losing Sherrod really hurt. Then with Marshall Newhouse having a slightly off second season, and our TEs unable to block for a lick, it just did not bode well for us up front offensively.
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