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Offline play2win  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:16:55 PM(UTC)
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Dang! I just realized I left Kuhn off the 53 man roster. I don't think that will happen...

hmmmm.....8-[ need to think about that one.
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Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
My opinion and thoughts on this..

Name a drafted Offensive Lineman under Campen's watch that is drafted, assigned a position and left to develop in that position. I can name 1. Sitton. I think it is not a coincidence that he is the only Pro Bowl caliber player currently on the roster.

And I think that goes a long way in developing a offensive line, especially if you are going to play them early in their career. No.. instead we flip them around like ping pong balls and expect them to play well when thrown to the wolves.

Lang, Bulaga, Colledge, Moll, Spitz, Coston, Barbre, Giacomini, Newhouse.. even Sherrod and Meredith were dicked with along the line.

Playing on offensive line is not only just personal talent.. it is continuity between the 5 and guys being able to rely that the other 4 are reading things the same way. Constantly flipping them from spot to spot, you disrupt that greatly. We have tried it for years.. since 2004/2005 in fact.. and it continues to fail year after year.

Again.. your backups, I can understand the concept if you have a solid starting core.. but trying to carry 7 or 8 with the moto of bouncing them around, especially the guys that are being counted on to play.. recipe for failure.


I agree. They move around so many parts around year by year. If you can keep the same 5 guys starting from day 1 the majority of the year you will have success. The Bears have them problem as well.

If we can run the ball effectively better this year it will drastically help this offensive line. This year I hope hope hope we get this right. Have extreme competition at LT/G we can get things rolling.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:24:47 PM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Dang! I just realized I left Kuhn off the 53 man roster. I don't think that will happen...

hmmmm.....8-[ need to think about that one.


too late. you are stuck. :P

It is not as if we won't change this darn lists 5 or 6 times between now and the end of Aug.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:30:26 PM(UTC)
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too late. you are stuck. :P

It is not as if we won't change this darn lists 5 or 6 times between now and the end of Aug.


Yeah, but I want to get it right now! [laughing] [laughing] [laughing]
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:32:27 PM(UTC)
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Start with Ted Thompson when assigning blame for the subpar performance of the O-line in 2012.

When Wells decided to leave, Ted made a rare error in signing Jeff Saturday.

This team is all about draft and develop, in the end, the best move would have been to insert Evan-Dietrich Smith in the middle and let the group grow together.

Add to the fact that injuries started popping up and then the shuffling began.

It has been said before, and was said again earlier in this thread, a solid O=line isn't made up of the 5 best players at their position, it's made up of 5 guys who work together as 1 unit.

I really hope the O-line starters are set earky in TC and get the most time to work together.
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Pack93z said: Go to Quoted Post
My opinion and thoughts on this..

Name a drafted Offensive Lineman under Campen's watch that is drafted, assigned a position and left to develop in that position. I can name 1. Sitton. I think it is not a coincidence that he is the only Pro Bowl caliber player currently on the roster.

And I think that goes a long way in developing a offensive line, especially if you are going to play them early in their career. No.. instead we flip them around like ping pong balls and expect them to play well when thrown to the wolves.

Lang, Bulaga, Colledge, Moll, Spitz, Coston, Barbre, Giacomini, Newhouse.. even Sherrod and Meredith were dicked with along the line.

Playing on offensive line is not only just personal talent.. it is continuity between the 5 and guys being able to rely that the other 4 are reading things the same way. Constantly flipping them from spot to spot, you disrupt that greatly. We have tried it for years.. since 2004/2005 in fact.. and it continues to fail year after year.

Again.. your backups, I can understand the concept if you have a solid starting core.. but trying to carry 7 or 8 with the moto of bouncing them around, especially the guys that are being counted on to play.. recipe for failure.


Indeed. Also consider that Campen never himself played in a zBS scheme.
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Who exactly is determining the final 53 man roster? I mean, I think McCarthy has a huge amount of say in this. Was it Ted who insisted on keeping 4 TEs last season? 11 DBs? Only 7 OL? 6 WRs?

Then again, maybe it is a directive from the GM to get the OL players working all the position groups on the line to more easily cover for injury? That is possible, allowing for keeping an extra player or two at another position.

Both of our new OL can work at least two positions, which is good.

Maybe the whole philosophy needs to change from up top. I thought we had 3 or 4 position groups that seemed a bit heavy last season at the 53: TE, WR, RB, and DB. Turns out we needed every RB and TE we had as the season wore on. Even WR became an issue with both Nelson and Jennings going down. Meanwhile, zero rotation on our DL cost us big time. And our OL dropped like flies for a while there.

Who knows? Personally, I can't wait till they expand these and the game day rosters. Every team should be able to keep more than 53, and dress more than 46 on game day. Oh well. Makes the personnel game very interesting.

Here's to strength, conditioning, sound instruction and a little more luck in 2013!
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Ted Thompson has the final say, however, he stated publicly (yeah that's right, no inside information here) that he doesn't think it makes sense to force a player on the coach if they don't feel they are a good fit.

Essentially, both Mike and Ted make the decision collectively. It's not one person, but Ted gets credit/blame.
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Ted Thompson has the final say, however, he stated publicly (yeah that's right, no inside information here) that he doesn't think it makes sense to force a player on the coach if they don't feel they are a good fit.

Essentially, both Mike and Ted make the decision collectively. It's not one person, but Ted gets credit/blame.


sort of off topic - but do you know whats weird? ... ted Thompson reminds me of my step dad ... looks like him sort of and has the same posture and I could imagine him talking like him in front of an audience ...

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#30 Posted : Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:51:33 PM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
Who exactly is determining the final 53 man roster? I mean, I think McCarthy has a huge amount of say in this. Was it Ted who insisted on keeping 4 TEs last season? 11 DBs? Only 7 OL? 6 WRs?

Then again, maybe it is a directive from the GM to get the OL players working all the position groups on the line to more easily cover for injury? That is possible, allowing for keeping an extra player or two at another position.

Both of our new OL can work at least two positions, which is good.

Maybe the whole philosophy needs to change from up top. I thought we had 3 or 4 position groups that seemed a bit heavy last season at the 53: TE, WR, RB, and DB. Turns out we needed every RB and TE we had as the season wore on. Even WR became an issue with both Nelson and Jennings going down. Meanwhile, zero rotation on our DL cost us big time. And our OL dropped like flies for a while there.

Who knows? Personally, I can't wait till they expand these and the game day rosters. Every team should be able to keep more than 53, and dress more than 46 on game day. Oh well. Makes the personnel game very interesting.

Here's to strength, conditioning, sound instruction and a little more luck in 2013!


I think it is a pretty open process.. just like draft evaluations.

Ted Thompson said:
We’ve always had that and we always will, and those people that we’ve put in those positions are mandated to question and to challenge from time to time – not for the sake of an argument but to make sure we’re doing what’s right for the organization. Yeah, those three guys did that a lot. We have other people here that are doing that as we speak. We’ll have our meeting with our defensive coaches this afternoon; we met with our offensive coaches all afternoon yesterday. The coaches have their say, the other guys have their say and the people that ask the tough questions do their stuff, so it’s good. Sometimes it’s uncomfortable but it’s good.
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