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Offline play2win  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:08:16 AM(UTC)
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After this offseason's FA/draft/UDFA class signings, I can easily see these veteran players having to fight hard to keep their positions on this Packers team:

TJ Lang
Marshall Newhouse
Tramon Williams
MD Jennings
Andrew Quarless
DJ Williams
Ryan Taylor
Desmond Bishop
AJ Hawk
Brad Jones
CJ Wilson
Jarrett Boykin
James Starks
Alex Green
Mason Crosby
Mike Neal
Jarrett Bush

Did I miss anybody? Seems to me, all of these players have slipped, some more than others, in their level of play over the past couple of years. Some have improved, but have still left this team in need of upgrades. Some were plagued by poor play alongside them, bringing the performance of themselves and their unit down. Others simply suffered injury causing them to be lesser contributors, or have just plateaued.

Regardless, I think all of these players will have to battle in TC to keep their roster positions in Green Bay this year. I've listed 17 players here, and I am guessing only 7 or 8, maybe 9 will survive to the 53 man roster.


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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:30:07 AM(UTC)
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I will strike players that are almost locks on this team..

Aaron Rodgers
TJ Lang
Marshall Newhouse
Tramon Williams
MD Jennings
Andrew Quarless
DJ Williams
Ryan Taylor
Brad Jones
CJ Wilson
Jarrett Boykin
James Starks
Alex Green
Mason Crosby
Mike Neal
Jarrett Bush

I think one of these two could be moved, but since both Rodgers and Matthews contracts are done with us still in good cap shape.. I doubt either go anywhere unless it is in trade. But I doubt it, we can't go all young at backers.. and Jones has to prove it again in camp.

Desmond Bishop
AJ Hawk
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:30:53 AM(UTC)
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I think there are probably 42-45 players that are 'locked'. Locked as they will make the team by effort, not by just saying 'oh hey they are here, they get their spot'.
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Offline Gaycandybacon  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:45:38 AM(UTC)
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I agree with everyone cept Tramon, Brad Jones, Mike Neal, and maybe Bishop. Bishop just needs to prove he can get back to form after his injury. I don't believe in those trade talks to be honest with you. But you never know.

I'd add Pickett to the players that need to fight for a position. We essentially replaced him with Datone Jones and Josh Boyd.

Players I have a hard time making the roster is Hawk, Jennings, Jarrett Bush, D.J. Williams, Ryan Taylor, Alex Green, Jarrett Boykin, Jeremy Ross, Mike Daniels, and Sean Richardson.

I think it's time to rebuild this defense. Not totally rebuild per say... but add that speed and toughness the Packers staff has been clamering about, rather than sticking with players that don't make this Defense better. I honestly don't care if we have 15 players rookies that make the team, as long as they can contribute to the team and stay healthy.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 10:17:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post


I'd add Pickett to the players that need to fight for a position. .


My Opinion:

We have a better chance of Ted opening up and discussing topics ranging from grades he has on his players, plans for free agency and his personal life than we have of Pickett not being a member of this team.

Will Pickett be extended past this season? Probably not.. or not at a sizable deal. But I think even with adds, he is about as physical as we have at the line of scrimmage even yet.



I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 10:26:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
My Opinion:

We have a better chance of Ted opening up and discussing topics ranging from grades he has on his players, plans for free agency and his personal life than we have of Pickett not being a member of this team.

Will Pickett be extended past this season? Probably not.. or not at a sizable deal. But I think even with adds, he is about as physical as we have at the line of scrimmage even yet.






I wouldn't mind him as a backup at NT where I think he's most fitted. But imo we need to get younger and faster at DE where he has been playing the past few seasons. Datone and Josh Boyds are his undoubtedly replacements for Pickett. I think for Pickett to make this team he needs to beat out Neal, Wilson, and Jolly to make this team. I think he could but he's getting long in the tooth I think it's time to move on.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 10:32:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
I wouldn't mind him as a backup at NT where I think he's most fitted. But imo we need to get younger and faster at DE where he has been playing the past few seasons. Datone and Josh Boyds are his undoubtedly replacements for Pickett. I think for Pickett to make this team he needs to beat out Neal, Wilson, and Jolly to make this team. I think he could but he's getting long in the tooth I think it's time to move on.


Agreed for the most part.. but personally, I think they should stay with the flip they rolled out there at times last season.. Pickett at Nose.. Raji at end.. rotate Raji inside at times with a quicker D end.. but agreed, Pickett is better in the middle than on the edge.
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Offline play2win  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 10:55:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post


We have a better chance of Ted opening up and discussing topics ranging from grades he has on his players, plans for free agency and his personal life than we have of Pickett not being a member of this team.



That's funny! Laughing

I agree with both of you guys about Pick. He was our very best DL last season. I would hate to lose him, as he is one of my favorite Packer players. On the other hand, he is older, and his contract numbers are higher, which are two factors that often lead a player to the waiver wire. Ted doesn't mess around too much where he sees the value scales tipped out of his favor, especially with older players.

I can see Pickett on this roster in 2013, and would be quite surprised and disappointed if he wasn't. I'm hoping we have two more years with him in a Packers uniform.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 11:06:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
After this offseason's FA/draft/UDFA class signings, I can easily see these veteran players having to fight hard to keep their positions on this Packers team:

TJ Lang
Marshall Newhouse
Tramon Williams
MD Jennings
Andrew Quarless
DJ Williams
Ryan Taylor
Desmond Bishop
AJ Hawk
Brad Jones
CJ Wilson
Jarrett Boykin
James Starks
Alex Green
Mason Crosby
Mike Neal
Jarrett Bush

Did I miss anybody? Seems to me, all of these players have slipped, some more than others, in their level of play over the past couple of years. Some have improved, but have still left this team in need of upgrades. Some were plagued by poor play alongside them, bringing the performance of themselves and their unit down. Others simply suffered injury causing them to be lesser contributors, or have just plateaued.

Regardless, I think all of these players will have to battle in TC to keep their roster positions in Green Bay this year. I've listed 17 players here, and I am guessing only 7 or 8, maybe 9 will survive to the 53 man roster.




I hope you are wrong, I think you are wrong, only time will tell.

Rookies are almost always over-rated by the fans, any team picking at the bottom third of the draft every year is lucky if,
1 of their picks becomes a full time starter,
REALLY lucky if 2 become starters,
and are truly blessed if 3 or more become starters.

10 of the players you have listed have been starting for The Packers multiple years.


Bush, Williams and Taylor are mainstays on Sp Tms, and in a pinch do pretty well filling in.

Crosby had an off year, actually about an off 4 week period, he isn't going anywhere.

Every year we always seem to forget, we have to give these rookies time adjust and LEARN how to be NFL players.
All the talent in the world won't matter if you don't know how to use it.
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Offline nerdmann  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 12:54:21 PM(UTC)
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Pickett and Lang are locks.

Pickett's got at least one solid year left.

Why are you guys down on Lang? Dude's a solid starter.
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Offline steveishere  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 1:18:24 PM(UTC)
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Lang, Williams, Newhouse, Jennings, Pickett, and Neal will be fighting for starting spots but I don't see them getting cut. You don't improve the defense just by getting rid of starters and getting different ones and adding a bunch of rookies you do it by adding players that beat those players for starting spots. Not every spot on your team is going to be all-pros. I think fans don't appreciate how hard it is to find players that are better than the guys listed let alone find 53 better players and all during 1 offseason.
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Offline warhawk  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 2:44:37 PM(UTC)
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Ideally you hope for the first couple of rookies drafted to contribute at a level that helps your team get better.

Then you hope for a couple of rookies that surprise you and contribute more than expected.

Finally, you hope for a couple of rookies to make an impression and stick on the roster to develop into starters a year or so down the road.

I hope for impact from Jones and the two RB's. I think two to three defensive guys can rotate in and help the D.

I like the two Olinemen to make the team and maybe be a fill in for an injury later in the year and push for starting spots next year.

My surprise guess is the WR Johnson. I think if he can make the first 53 he and Rodgers will be a good duo later in the year.

Ted just has a way of finding those WR's.

History would say this many players in one draft doing what I would hope for above is against the odds.
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Offline play2win  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:38:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Lang, Williams, Newhouse, Jennings, Pickett, and Neal will be fighting for starting spots but I don't see them getting cut. You don't improve the defense just by getting rid of starters and getting different ones and adding a bunch of rookies you do it by adding players that beat those players for starting spots. Not every spot on your team is going to be all-pros. I think fans don't appreciate how hard it is to find players that are better than the guys listed let alone find 53 better players and all during 1 offseason.


Hey, just for clarity, I'm not saying they are getting cut. That's six players, and I do think 7-9 of those listed are retained. However, I do see some pretty big turnover on this 2013 roster.

I like TJ Lang just fine, but I would guess he was one of those players who didn't grade out as high as he normally may have, with the poor play of Saturday and slipping play of Newhouse on either side. We did add a lot of OL talent recently. His starter spot may not be a given. Yet, he's probably the safest.

I do think an inordinate number of rookies will play critical roles this season. Also, I think we all would like to see better play at all of those positions listed. Big question marks loom with many of those players, creating opportunity for new talent.

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Offline earthquake  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 1, 2013 5:00:19 PM(UTC)
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I'm curious, does anyone know the cap hit the packers would take by releasing Tramon Williams?

Not that I think that is likely, I figure they'll give him every chance to start and hope his shoulder is better.
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