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nerdmann  
#21 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2013 2:58:01 PM(UTC)
Yeah the less I hear about Jolly being IN TOWN and working hard to get ready, the more skeptical I become about his whole situation.
OlHoss1884  
#22 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2013 3:29:31 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
Okay lots of questions...

Did the Packers pencil in a rookie (Jones) to start or are you just guess? ... IMO you should NEVER pencil in a rookie, make them earn it.

Also you said only 6 ...
But you named 5 guys and said 2 more spots (which is 7)
so yeah the numbers aren't adding up in my mind.

Is Jolly even in Wisconsin yet? ... last I heard Mike McCarthy said he's not and he's still working though stuff.... I don't know but I'm guessing the Packers have Jolly going though some rehab both for the drug and work out getting his body back in playing shape (because lets be honest, those heavy DTs don't stay in shape when not active in the game or have someone to help push them.... plus _?_ how many years Jolly missed... and that he's never played in the 3-4... I'm guessing the Packers are going to try to get some sort of red shirt year for Jolly if possible.

Daniels is short but he's very strong and the only guy who sometimes was moving forward against the 49ers (Pickett is the only guy who didn't get pushed back at all...)


1. I pencilled in Jones by my own prognostication. I don't think it's much of a risk to pencil in a rookie when he was drafted that high and plays a position that was weak last year. Clearly the team won't pencil him in until he DOES earn it.

2. I kind of messed up my numbers but I think they will keep 7, since I think they will work on Boyd as the eventual replacement for Pickett. However, I am also an optimist about Jolly though I know a lot of people aren't.

3. Jolly has been working out in Texas, and he's not in WI yet for legal reasons...he's trying toi verify with his PO that he is legal to go and won't havfe any issues with the state. I think this whole episode has been a wakeup call for him and I am optimistic about his attitude and condition. The question is whether the long layoff will make him to rusty to make the roster, but that might, in the end, be more a matter of numbers. If they go with 6 and Boyd looks like the next Jolly (on the field) he might not make the cut.

4. I don't think Daniels is all that bad, but I think I like him (and Neal) for depth, not as regulars. I just don't think the team is enamored enough of him or even Neal or Wilson at this point to guarantee anything. Assuming Boyd makes it. that's 3 spots with run stuffers and 1 (Jones) who is purported to be a pass rusher, so it might make sense to keep players that either have more versatility or at least can push the pocket more, hence my optimism about Jolly.

All in all I think it's a nice problem to have...6 or 7 spots and more NFL caliber players to fill them.
beast  
#23 Posted : Friday, May 17, 2013 5:34:42 PM(UTC)
OlHoss1884 said: Go to Quoted Post
1. I pencilled in Jones by my own prognostication. I don't think it's much of a risk to pencil in a rookie when he was drafted that high and plays a position that was weak last year. Clearly the team won't pencil him in until he DOES earn it.

Mike McCarthy has penciled a couple 1st rounders in as starters right away including DT Harrell and OT Sherrod (at LG) and I've had a problem with it every time. I just don't like the message it sends to any of the players, make the guys come in and earn that spot. I think both of those guys lost it... I think Jennings was forced to earn it and earned as a rookie in training camp though he's learning curve or ability is clearly different than a normal rookie.


OlHoss1884 said: Go to Quoted Post
2. I kind of messed up my numbers but I think they will keep 7, since I think they will work on Boyd as the eventual replacement for Pickett. However, I am also an optimist about Jolly though I know a lot of people aren't.


Yeah I'm thinking the keep 7 for a change when the norm is 6. Because Neal, Wilson and Pickett are all FAs at the end of the year. So keeping more with make the switch over easier. Unless one of them is the 7th guy than maybe just cut them now?

OlHoss1884 said: Go to Quoted Post
3. Jolly has been working out in Texas, and he's not in WI yet for legal reasons...he's trying toi verify with his PO that he is legal to go and won't havfe any issues with the state. I think this whole episode has been a wakeup call for him and I am optimistic about his attitude and condition. The question is whether the long layoff will make him to rusty to make the roster, but that might, in the end, be more a matter of numbers. If they go with 6 and Boyd looks like the next Jolly (on the field) he might not make the cut.


Thanks, I didn't know all of that. That makes me feel a little better that he's staying away to make sure he's legally allowed to come instead of some other reason (I didn't know why). And totally agree with you about the wake-up call with his attitude...

But that being said he's a 30 year old man, who was a bit over weight DT while working with the team, who's been out of football for four years, and more athletic guys like CB Adam (Pac-Man) Jones and QB Mike Vick have come back and weren't the same their first year back. I think Jolly can possible get back in form... I'm just thinking it won't be in his first year back (but you never know).


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