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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:26:48 PM(UTC)

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Green Bay --- In year four, Mike Neal may be in the midst of a major position change.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 1:55:28 PM(UTC)

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This is AWESOME!

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At Tuesday's organized team activity practice, Neal worked at outside linebacker. The move back seemed to surprise Neal himself.


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He has not had to cover as an outside linebacker before.

"No, but I’m comfortable with my athletic ability," Neal said. "I do believe our defensive linemen, not only do I have defensive linemen skills, but as far as being athletic, I can do that. Even if it’s dropping into coverage, I’ve never doubted my athletic abilities. I feel a lot more agile than I have in the past, a lot more confident in myself."

So now, he's learning a new position with outside linebackers coach Kevin Greene.

With Jones around, this may be a way for Neal to get onto the field. It likely depends how comfortable he looks at outside linebacker through OTA's, minicamp and, potentially, training camp.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:29:09 PM(UTC)

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I'm VERY VERY HAPPY about this.

First off I'm assuming they're showing him some of the sub package stuff, they're not asking him to make a full time switch to OLB. I'm guessing they'll be asking Neal to do what Perry was doing last year, which was line up across from the OT standing up and pass rush. While Perry was doing it, it was more like a DL thing than a LB thing, which is why they've never had Walden do it (also because he's not physical enough to handle it).

But basely Perry was playing the role of a power 4-3 DE... which fits Neal VERY well (IMO).

Also when in the nickel and dime packages, the Packers have two DTs which at like 4-3 DTs and both OLBers moved up to the line like stand up 4-3 DEs. As long as Neal doesn't have to go into coverage much and is playing a 4-3 DE like position I think this could be a very good move.

I believe there were rumors about the Packers thinking about maybe moving Neal to this OLB role two years ago.

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:33:55 PM(UTC)

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It's almost like they're moving toward a 4-3 Smile
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:50:29 PM(UTC)

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It's almost like they're moving toward a 4-3 Smile


The 3-4 nickel/dime packages are basically a 4-3 with the two OLB moved up on the OT like 4-3 DEs but standing up. But that's one of the nice things about the 3-4... you can play with a 3-4 look or a 4-2 look... heck with Collins, Capers even ran a 4-3 look with 3 CBs and 1 Safety. Collins was a 4-3 OLB in that with Burnett as the deep Safety.


But the Packers did something new last year with Perry... they had a nickel look with Perry lined up across from the RT/RG gap which is new because he didn't have the outside edge which is new. He was like a power pass rushing DL more than an outside edge guy. And it worked... they had someone on the outside to protect the edge but I don't remember how they handled that at the moment.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:12:45 PM(UTC)

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If Neal drops into coverage, he's probly not gonna be man up. He'll have a small zone to cover.

And yeah, I remember them talking about this a couple years ago. Anyone remember Neal's 40 time?
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:39:10 PM(UTC)

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If Neal drops into coverage, he's probly not gonna be man up. He'll have a small zone to cover.

And yeah, I remember them talking about this a couple years ago. Anyone remember Neal's 40 time?


No but not hard to look up...

Looks like Neal ran a good 40 yard time for his weight but slow for a LBer (4.87 at 294 Lbs.)

BUT like you said if they drop him in coverage it's going to be a zone and he's going to have help over the top. So what I find very interesting is looking at his 20 yard time... which ties Hawk's time and beats Bishop's time.

Pro-day numbers aren't always the best because you don't know what kind of surfaces they ran on, but the combine numbers are all on the same surface (I think).

Neal
40 Yrd Dash: 4.87
20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60

Hawk
40 Yrd Dash: 4.59 (at pro day he reran it and out 40 Yrd Dash: 4.47)
20 Yrd Dash: 2.72
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56

Bishop (combine)
40 Yrd Dash: Pulled muscle, didn't finish.
20 Yrd Dash: 2.75
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59

Bishop (pro-day)
40 Yrd Dash: 4.81
20 Yrd Dash: 2.78
10 Yrd Dash: 1.60


Neal
http://www.nfldraftscout...tyear=2010&genpos=DT

Hawk
http://www.nfldraftscout...year=2006&genpos=olb

Bishop
http://www.nfldraftscout...year=2007&genpos=ILB

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:40:21 PM(UTC)

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Can't say I saw this coming. It certainly helps clearing up the logjam of bodies at DL that the team had and gives more depth to OLB. Since Neal is more of a pass-rusher there's some logic to it.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:20:34 PM(UTC)

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This is a bit of a surprise. As a stand up LB on the line it makes sense. If he drops into coverage I hope it isn't much more than when a DL drops back into coverage.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:45:34 PM(UTC)

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Well, it's obvious McCarthy hasn't been laying on a beach somewhere during the offseason. He's shuffling the best players he has to the blind side of the Oline and now this.

I can see Neal collapsing the pocket opposite CM3 and Mathews and Jones getting some better shots on the QB. I cannot see him asked to cover much. I think MM's looking for the best results out of certain scheme's and I doubt putting Neal out there on anybody gets that done. Not saying he won't ever be asked to cover but see that happening very seldom.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 21, 2013 6:53:24 PM(UTC)

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Can't say I saw this coming. It certainly helps clearing up the logjam of bodies at DL that the team had and gives more depth to OLB. Since Neal is more of a pass-rusher there's some logic to it.


I could be wrong but I don't think this effects the DL at all... I believe Neal is still going to be mainly a DL guy. But they're also going to put him in some rush OLB roles.

I'm thinking 3rd and long... nickel package which is a lot like a 4-2


DTs (two of the following)
(Datone) Jones, Raji, Daniels or Boyd

OLBers (moved up to play a stand-up 4-3 DE like position)
Perry and Neal

Rush LB:
Matthews (everyone will know Matthews is coming on the blitz, but he won't show what gap he's going though until after the snap)

Cover LB:
(Brad) Jones ... (if they go to dime then Jones comes off the field for 6th DB)
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:44:43 AM(UTC)

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Since the Pacjkers will be in sub packages a lot, I think it's a move designed to help the pass rush without having to blitz, and it still keeps them stout against the run.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 5:30:49 AM(UTC)

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beast said: Go to Quoted Post
I could be wrong but I don't think this effects the DL at all... I believe Neal is still going to be mainly a DL guy. But they're also going to put him in some rush OLB roles.

I'm thinking 3rd and long... nickel package which is a lot like a 4-2


DTs (two of the following)
(Datone) Jones, Raji, Daniels or Boyd

OLBers (moved up to play a stand-up 4-3 DE like position)
Perry and Neal

Rush LB:
Matthews (everyone will know Matthews is coming on the blitz, but he won't show what gap he's going though until after the snap)

Cover LB:
(Brad) Jones ... (if they go to dime then Jones comes off the field for 6th DB)


Actually you're probably right. I was thinking too much along the lines of Kampman and him switching purely to OLB rather than playing a OLB role occasionally in a subpackage.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:03:36 AM(UTC)

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Well, in the interests of us being bigger and faster on D, I can see this working in some packages. Why not? Kind of like a James Harrison type of rover on the edge. Big, powerful player on the outside with some athletic ability.

Neal's "clueless" quote tells me he isn't all-in with this change, but maybe he will come around and play it well. Doesn't hurt to try this.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:33:24 AM(UTC)

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Think they will ask him to drop 5 pounds or more to fit into that mold a bit more in terms of size?
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