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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:58:00 AM(UTC)
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Offline nerdmann  
#2 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:10:28 AM(UTC)
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Shields is a solid starting CB, playing on an undrafted free agent's salary.

He deserves a new contract. Pay the man.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:39:42 AM(UTC)
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Darryl Krejci needs a reality check.

Shields is an incredible player. He deserves fair market value for his experience and level of play. Just because $2M is a lot of money to Krejci, doesn't mean it is a fair deal for a top starting CB.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 5:57:08 AM(UTC)
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I would agree he is underpaid relative to his performance over the second half of last season. However how quick we are to forget how badly he got torched the year before. I dont like giving guys big deals after 1 year of solid production. If he wants a big long term deal go out and play like you did last season and I'm all for giving you the dough! If you put together even half a season like you did last year dish out a extension mid season and all parties are happy!
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#5 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:08:07 AM(UTC)
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Half a year of solid production.

I'm sure the Packers have offered a long term contract extension. Looking at who his agent is, I bet I know where the problem lies.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:27:49 AM(UTC)
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He was instrumental in our 2010 championship, so I don't want to hear anything about 1/2 a season cause that's a bunch of bs, unless people want to argue about his two picks against the Bears that solidified the trip to the SB. I have a bad feeling about all of this with Shields because he has Drew Rosenhaus as an agent and I don't think the Packers have good rapport with that guy. It seems to me, Uncle Ted would have already had a guy like Shields locked up, especially considering Tramon's gimpy shoulder.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:37:00 AM(UTC)
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The only knock on Shields was is 2011 season.. but again there were off field issues that contributed to that as well.

As Troy notes.. he was a key component to us hoisting the SB trophy is 2010 and played very consistently last season.

We also forget... he was an undrafted free agent and honestly has been playing for peanuts (comparatively to others) up until now. He is playing the only card he has right now to secure a larger payday moving forward, sure he could sign the 2 million dollar tender and hit the open market next season.. but if he is happy here, why not secure a couple year deal and lock down his future completely financially.

Do I like this part of the business.. nope.. but it is what it is.. and I am sure it will resolve itself prior to camp.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:43:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Shields is a solid starting CB, playing on an undrafted free agent's salary.

He deserves a new contract. Pay the man.


wooooo I'm not disagreeing with you. But we need to slow down on the rush to judgement a bit.


I do agree Shields out played his contract, but before saying pay the man we need to know what he's asking for.

Just like Jennings this offseason.... of course we would love to have Jennings back.... at the right price.

In contract talks, it takes two to tango...


A report came out saying Thompson meet with the agents of both D-Smith and Shields. It could of just been to talk about the tender they were going to put on them. But it was reported as Thompson was trying to sign both to long term terms (at the Packers price). D-Smith choose to just sign the tender which makes sense seeing as he could be the season long starter which could add to his vaule (or hurt it).


My point is we don't know what Thompson offered (or if he offered anything) nor do we know what Shields is asking for. If he's asking for 10 million a year, then I say don't pay the man... that's probably too much. If he's asking in the 4 million a year then I think that very well might be fair for a long term term when you're gambling on his potential...

That being said, giving a lot of money to some guys makes them get more distracted by other things and get worse on the field. Not saying Shields is one of those guys but you never know.

On a side note... I'm still a bit surpised how big he got it
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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:58:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
He was instrumental in our 2010 championship, so I don't want to hear anything about 1/2 a season cause that's a bunch of bs,


Starks was instrumental in the 2010 championship. Should they give him a blank check too?

I think Shields should be offered (and probably has been offered) a fair contract extension that offers him some security and doesn't break the bank.

But for all we know Rosenhaus has him believing he should be paid more than Tramon Williams. That may be true but the money that was paid to Tramon is gone...

Lots of players are UFA after this season. If you give all the money to Shields, how are you gonna pay Raji, Burnett, Quarless, James Jones, or M.D. Jennings?

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#10 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:01:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Shields is a solid starting CB, playing on an undrafted free agent's salary.

He deserves a new contract. Pay the man.


I'd have more sympathy for him if he wasn't skipping OTAs.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:09:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Porforis Go to Quoted Post
I'd have more sympathy for him if he wasn't skipping OTAs.


that reminds me... isn't there some sort of rumored curse on players the skip OTAs?

I remember hearing about it when Grant skipped OTAs one year trying to get a new deal.

I think there was some sort of history of players normally getting injured the years they skipped OTAs...

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#12 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:18:41 AM(UTC)
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just to refresh our memory and compare here is Tramon's salary from Rotoworld:

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Signed a five-year, $38.148 million contract.
The deal contains $11.074 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus.
2013: $5.9 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus),
2014: $6.9 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus),
2015: Free Agent


I think they (Shields and Rosenbutt) want something similar. Why wouldn't they? But not years 2011 and 2012 which not doubt were less than 2013 and 2014.

Reading the old rotoworld posts. Tramon (a RFA as well) held out until the last minute before signing his tender offer in June 2010. It is just business.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:22:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
It is just business.


Exactly... especially for UDFA's that haven't earned real money yet. Guys like this have already proven they can play at this level productively.. they are looking to recoup a bit of lost potential revenue.



I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 7:51:50 AM(UTC)
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Shields is a great player. Period.

This half a season BS is just that. BS. In 2011, Shields had 4 INTs, 13 PDs, 1 FF and 38 Tackles, in 15 games played during a season where we nearly went undefeated. Everybody in the world was throwing on our asses...

Forget that we had NO pass rush that year, and might as well forget what that does to a team's secondary (hangs 'em out to dry, maybe?). He greatly improved his tackling last season in run D, not statistically, but it was readily apparent in watching him play. If you didn't see it, then you weren't watching. Sam is a young, quality corner with exceptional experience at the position for his age.

I think one of the bigger problems in ironing out a deal is that Ted has done so well in adding talent at CB over the past 3 years. He has so much leverage that he literally could let him walk without us skipping much of a beat IMO. This is just business, and I think Ted will more than likely lock him up with a huge deal that will keep him in GB for what should be the prime of his career. Whatever those numbers are now, they will seem reasonable 3 years down the line. Ted values quality CBs, but Ted ALWAYS plays to his leverage.

Locking up Shields will insure quality CB play for a good many years, regardless of how Tramon Williams transitions the ending of his own career. I think we just hope for the best here. Either the numbers don't work for Ted and he plays his hand out with Shields, or he pony's up and we are insured of quality play at the position, with a very deep roster of DBs, for at least the next 4 years.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:08:45 AM(UTC)
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The other consideration is the drive and character of the player. Is Shields a Donald Driver type personality that works to play at the highest level he can regardless of the check he gets or is he a Javon Walker who demanded big bucks after one good year and never had another one?

The guy couldn't tackle the water boy running out on time outs and had to work to get his starting job last year.
Ted Thompson has repeatedly shown the players that if they just go out and play he will get the money right. I think Shields is forcing the issue after playing well the last half of last year. Make it known you want more money and go show you deserve it and I am sure before the season is over you get your wish.


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#16 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:39:36 AM(UTC)
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I have a feeling Shields will get paid but it will be at the expense of Tramon Williams. Maybe Tramon is a cap casualty at the end of this year rather than playing out his contract.

Shields just doesn't have much leverage, unless he wants to sit out a year. I'm sure the Packers would like to work out a deal to keep both players.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:06:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: greengold Go to Quoted Post
I have a feeling Shields will get paid but it will be at the expense of Tramon Williams. Maybe Tramon is a cap casualty at the end of this year rather than playing out his contract.

Shields just doesn't have much leverage, unless he wants to sit out a year. I'm sure the Packers would like to work out a deal to keep both players.


He'd have plenty of leverage if he can show he can be consistent. He was good in 2010 but not regularly defending #1 or #2 WRs, meh in 2011 and very good for what he played in 2012.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:36:18 PM(UTC)
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People, People, this is a clear cut case of a lack of patience. The Cake is still in the oven; The stew ain't stew yet; This is all part of the negotiating process, and it will come to a happy ending. Ted Thompson routinely tries low-balling players; The result almost always is the job gets done for a fair but slightly less than max amount. Shields would not be expected to show up at the OTAs while delicate negotiating is going on. He also would not be expected to avoid trumpeting his achievements and asking for big money. That's the way the game is played.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 3:45:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
People, People, this is a clear cut case of a lack of patience. The Cake is still in the oven; The stew ain't stew yet; This is all part of the negotiating process, and it will come to a happy ending. Ted Thompson routinely tries low-balling players; The result almost always is the job gets done for a fair but slightly less than max amount. Shields would not be expected to show up at the OTAs while delicate negotiating is going on. He also would not be expected to avoid trumpeting his achievements and asking for big money. That's the way the game is played.


If Shields shows up and, for example, breaks his ankle in a fumble drill, do you think he'll ever see dime one of that new contract? NO. Negotiations over.

He's just taking care of business.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:17:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
The other consideration is the drive and character of the player. Is Shields a Donald Driver type personality that works to play at the highest level he can regardless of the check he gets or is he a Javon Walker who demanded big bucks after one good year and never had another one?

The guy couldn't tackle the water boy running out on time outs and had to work to get his starting job last year.

Ted Thompson has repeatedly shown the players that if they just go out and play he will get the money right. I think Shields is forcing the issue after playing well the last half of last year. Make it known you want more money and go show you deserve it and I am sure before the season is over you get your wish.




Didn't he already go show he deserved it, by taking his job back when he came back from his injury. I think our Packer loyalty clouds our judgment sometimes. Shields has nothing to prove to me, I know he can play at a very high level. Pony up Ted, take some more money from our overpaid inside linebackers if you need it.
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#21 Posted : Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:58:47 PM(UTC)
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In addition to his pass defense skills, didn't Shields improve his play vs the run last year after a lot of heat on our CBs for being afraid to tackle?
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#22 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 12:15:35 PM(UTC)
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Don't forget he played WR until his senior year in college. He was looked at as a project when we picked up up as an UDFA. The things a DB does that a WR doesn't do--tackling, etc--are the things I'd expect him to be weakest at. As he gets more coaching/practice/experience at DB he should continue to improve in those areas.
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#23 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 1:33:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FLORIDA PACKER88 Go to Quoted Post
I would agree he is underpaid relative to his performance over the second half of last season. However how quick we are to forget how badly he got torched the year before. I dont like giving guys big deals after 1 year of solid production. If he wants a big long term deal go out and play like you did last season and I'm all for giving you the dough! If you put together even half a season like you did last year dish out a extension mid season and all parties are happy!


Couldn't agree more.

I am surprised that he is letting his agent lead down this path. I am hopeful that he will show up for the mandatory stuff.
Ted Thompson has a reputation of rewarding his players. Shields needs to show up and show the coaches and team that he can continue to play as well as he did at the end of the season and Ted Thompson will pay him.
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#24 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 2:04:55 PM(UTC)
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He's essentially been a starter for 3 years and made pennies compared to other starters around the league. He was huge in 2010, the whole D struggled in 2011 but he was the best DB on the team and he came back and had another huge year last year. He hasn't even missed anything mandatory yet. This article was way way off base. It's much too early in the process to make a scathing article on the guy calling him greedy and such.
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#25 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 2:20:04 PM(UTC)
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Shields should be payed, I think we all agree to that... the question is simply how much? How much is he asking for (per year average wise) and how much the Packers are willing to pay.

I hope he's not looking at Williams contract, because they paid Williams that because he was looking great as a shut down CB at the time. I'm not sure any of the DBs should be making quite that amount Williams has for his last two years (not even Williams).
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