Green Bay Packers Forum

Welcome to your Green Bay Packers Online Community!

Since 2006, PackersHome has been providing a unique experience for fans.
Your participation is greatly anticipated!
Login or Register.
Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 4:57:37 AM(UTC)

Rank: Member
United States
Joined: 12/11/2012(UTC)
Applause Received: 111
JerseyAl said:
Coming off a memorable postseason in 2010, Packers cornerback Tramon Williams suffered a serious shoulder injury in the first game of 2011 that still hasn't fully healed. A year earlier, in the Packers' run to Super Bowl XLV, Williams emerged as one of the top cover corners in football. That season, Williams started all 16 games [...]
Offline play2win  
#2 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 5:26:00 AM(UTC)

Rank: Registered
United States
Joined: 3/29/2012(UTC)
Location: Milwaukee
Applause Given: 1,076
Applause Received: 724
I'm hopeful he returns to that 2010 form. With his shoulder showing improvement, maybe that happens. He is a team leader now, and very highly respected. Tramon is a great player to have back there if he can perform anything like he did three years ago.
Offline DakotaT  
#3 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 6:10:56 AM(UTC)

Rank: Honored Member
Joined: 8/18/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 783
Applause Received: 1,576
I'll reserve judgment until I see him try to tackle Adrian Peterson in the open field. It he goes at him like the Matador Darlene Sharpier - then I'll say no - he will never return to pre-injury form. But if he takes him on like Al Harris, then I'll say yeah he's back baby. Personally, I think Tramon is buck shy right now.
Offline texaspackerbacker  
#4 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 11:49:54 AM(UTC)

Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Gold: 2014Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Silver: 2015

Rank: Veteran Member
United States
Joined: 3/4/2013(UTC)
Location: Texas
Applause Given: 609
Applause Received: 418
He ought to be healed by now - if the shoulder is anything but permanently damaged.

His real value isn't run stopping. It obviously is man coverage on an island. I think he still is great at that. I would even say better than Shields - IMO the reason Shield got so many pass breakups the last half of last season was that teams were going his way/staying away from Tramon.
Offline beast  
#5 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 2:10:22 PM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 10/5/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 356
Applause Received: 410
My understanding is that

Before this offseason Williams said his shoulder effected him during the 12-13 season... and said he's sure it will recover to 100% this offseason.

=======
Edit... he claims that the media took it out of context. According to Williams after the 12-13 season, he was asked about the 11-12 season and him saying it effected him, he was talking in the context of 11-12 season but the media took it out of context and made it sound like he was talking about the 12-13 season. And so claims it didn't effect him last year though it wasn't 100% but thinks it will be even better this year.
=======

Now at OTAs, Williams has said his shoulder did NOT effect him during the 12-13 season and that he's been 100%.


To me... that says cover up.


Like Bigby saying he's 100% and totally ready to go... only to find out shortly later he still hadn't even attempted making a jogging cut on his leg injury yet (and he later needed a surgery before coming back but he kept saying he was 100% at the time).


Long story short, I don't think Williams shoulder will recover unless they find someone they get surgery fix and then do it. Also with Williams playing worse and these up and coming guys playing better and looking very good, I think they need to think about asking Williams to take a pay cut to help pay for others. If he says no then maybe cut him if the others look good enough.
Offline nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 6:46:04 PM(UTC)

Rank: Select Member
Joined: 9/14/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 3,864
Applause Received: 914
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
My understanding is that

Before this offseason Williams said his shoulder effected him during the 12-13 season... and said he's sure it will recover to 100% this offseason.

Now at OTAs, Williams has said his shoulder did NOT effect him during the 12-13 season and that he's been 100%.


To me... that says cover up.


Like Bigby saying he's 100% and totally ready to go... only to find out shortly later he still hadn't even attempted making a jogging cut on his leg injury yet (and he later needed a surgery before coming back but he kept saying he was 100% at the time).


Long story short, I don't think Williams shoulder will recover unless they find someone they get surgery fix and then do it. Also with Williams playing worse and these up and coming guys playing better and looking very good, I think they need to think about asking Williams to take a pay cut to help pay for others. If he says no then maybe cut him if the others look good enough.


Hadn't heard that update, but if it's not 100% by now, it may not ever be.
Offline beast  
#7 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 7:32:46 PM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 10/5/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 356
Applause Received: 410
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Hadn't heard that update, but if it's not 100% by now, it may not ever be.


I look it up to see if there was an update and I found something and edit my message about.

Basically the media said after the 12-13 season that claimed Williams said his shoulder injury effect him during the 12-13 season.

Williams claims that after the 12-13 season someone asked him about his shoulder injury in the 11-12 season and so his answer was based in the 11-12 season... not the current time period which the media took the comment out of context and put it at the current time period.

So Williams said it didn't effect him last year (though I still don't think his last year play was up to par with his pre-injury play).

But he's also said while it didn't effect him last year, it wasn't 100% ether... and shoulde be even closer to 100% now. He says it's a nerve injury which nothing but time can heal that.
Offline buckeyepackfan  
#8 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 7:54:01 PM(UTC)

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Bronze: 2012Yahoo! NCAA March Madness - Bronze: 2014

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 8/7/2008(UTC)
Location: Lima, Ohio
Applause Given: 550
Applause Received: 625


Packers | Tramon Williams healing
Fri, 24 May 2013 07:42:17 -0700

Green Bay Packers CB Tramon Williams' (shoulder) nerve damage in his shoulder has drastically healed due to a workout regimen that includes yoga and jump ropes.

Share: Tweet! Share on Facebook | Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - Tyler Dunne


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team...ay-packers#ixzz2UGkUnvcE


http://www.jsonline.com/...d&utm_medium=twitter
thanks Post received 2 applause.
Zero2Cool on 5/24/2013(UTC), nerdmann on 5/24/2013(UTC)
Offline Bigbyfan  
#9 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 9:55:17 PM(UTC)

Rank: Member
Joined: 8/8/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 59
Applause Received: 157
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
Also with Williams playing worse and these up and coming guys playing better and looking very good, I think they need to think about asking Williams to take a pay cut to help pay for others. If he says no then maybe cut him if the others look good enough.


I keep seeing people saying that Tramon should possibly be cut due to him playing poorly and I just don't see any reason why. An easy excuse for him is the shoulder injury not being completely healed, but there are also other factors.

The entire season Tramon was put on an island against some of the best receivers in the league. Players like Calvin Johnson (twice), Marshall (twice), Crabtree (twice), Hakeem Nicks, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald, While doing this, he had inconsistent play at the strong safety position behind him and a poor pass rush in front of him.

Is he Revis or Sherman? No. However, with his combination of size, speed, and experience, I feel more comfortable with him covering the #1 WR. Which would allow Shields to focus on the speedier receivers and Hayward working from the slot.

thanks Post received 4 applause.
earthquake on 5/24/2013(UTC), nerdmann on 5/24/2013(UTC), texaspackerbacker on 5/25/2013(UTC), buckeyepackfan on 5/25/2013(UTC)
Offline beast  
#10 Posted : Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:05:46 AM(UTC)

Rank: Veteran Member
Joined: 10/5/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 356
Applause Received: 410
Bigbyfan said: Go to Quoted Post
I keep seeing people saying that Tramon should possibly be cut due to him playing poorly


I'm not saying Williams should be cut for his play on the field. If you only looking at the on the field part, then you keep him clearly. What I don't like is his contract.


2013: $5.9 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus),
2014: $6.9 million (+ $300,000 roster bonus),
2015: Free Agent

That's 6.7 million per year average left. He hasn't played up to level IMO lately. I would like him to agree to reduce that number some ust like Grant did a couple of years ago, and just like Hawk did this offseason.

If he refuses to reduce it and the young CBs are looking great (though House and Shields aren't working out fully at OTAs) then maybe think about cutting him to get some of that money back.


So it's not his injury as much as his play vs. his pay.

Bigbyfan said: Go to Quoted Post
The entire season Tramon was put on an island against some of the best receivers in the league. Players like Calvin Johnson (twice), Marshall (twice), Crabtree (twice), Hakeem Nicks, Andre Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald, While doing this, he had inconsistent play at the strong safety position behind him and a poor pass rush in front of him.


That's wrong. Capers changed up the defense and played a ton of cover 2 with Safety over the top of both sides and often times against the best WRs they would team up Williams and Burnett on the same side.

Marshall even made a big deal about it before the second game, because someone (I don't this he said who) was claiming he stopped Marshall, but Marshall says he beat him one on one but they always had a Safety help on him.

Same with the other big named WR. Capers didn't leave the big named WRs with only one DB on them often other than some of the higher number blitzes.


Brandon Marshall said:
"Capers is their player MVP," Marshall said. "For their players to be over there talking about how awesome of a job they did shutting down certain players, I don't respect that when it's two and three guys on you or other guys.

"Coach Capers did an amazing job of game-planning us and game-planning me. I didn't beat double- or triple-coverage or whatever they were throwing at us. I take it as a slap in my face when guys talk about my lack of ability to do something against them when they have help all over the place.
Offline PackerTraxx  
#11 Posted : Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:39:55 AM(UTC)

Rank: Senior Member
Joined: 8/13/2008(UTC)
Applause Given: 46
Applause Received: 181
If the injury is nerve related it makes sense another year of healing would help.
Offline steveishere  
#12 Posted : Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:41:05 PM(UTC)

FleaFlicker Fantasy Football - Gold: 2013

Rank: Senior Member
Joined: 7/28/2012(UTC)
Applause Given: 56
Applause Received: 1,260
Tramon spent a lot of time covering good WRs but he also had help in a lot of those instances and he also got beat a lot by #2/#3 players and even a FB at some point. He's been about an average starting CB the last couple years. Someone with his paycheck should be at least reliable against the #2/#3 types and he isn't. He has a good game every few games maybe even against an elite WR but he just shits the bed too often the last couple years against anyone to justify his salary. I think they will keep him this year though because money isn't that tight for now but next year could get interesting.
Rss Feed 
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Notification

Icon
Error


Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (7h) : Matt Blanchard?
Zero2Cool (20h) : Doubt any QB is cut before Thursday. I want to see more of Matt and Brett.
Smokey (30-Aug) : Why be a guest, come join us today !
Zero2Cool (30-Aug) : Hyde is the injury I'm most concerned about. Cobby fine.
Please sign in to use Fan Shout

Road To Super Bowl 50
Sunday, Sep 13 @ 12:00 PM
at Bears
Sunday, Sep 20 @ 7:30 PM
SEAHAWKS
Monday, Sep 28 @ 7:30 PM
CHIEFS
Sunday, Oct 4 @ 3:25 PM
at 49ers
Sunday, Oct 11 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Oct 18 @ 3:25 PM
CHARGERS
Sunday, Oct 25 @ 12:00 AM
- BYE -
Sunday, Nov 1 @ 7:30 PM
at Broncos
Sunday, Nov 8 @ 12:00 PM
at Panthers
Sunday, Nov 15 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 22 @ 12:00 PM
at Vikings
Thursday, Nov 26 @ 7:30 PM
BEARS
Thursday, Dec 3 @ 7:25 PM
at Lions
Sunday, Dec 13 @ 3:25 PM
COWBOYS
Sunday, Dec 20 @ 3:05 PM
at Raiders
Sunday, Dec 27 @ 3:25 PM
at Cardinals
Sunday, Jan 3 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS

Think About It
Think About It

Recent Topics
1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / porky88

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / porky88

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / porky88

2h / Green Bay Packers Talk / porky88

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / CaliforniaCheez

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / CaliforniaCheez

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / sschind

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

8h / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

10h / Green Bay Packers Talk / nerdmann

19h / Green Bay Packers Talk / mikesecure

20h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

21h / Green Bay Packers Talk / DakotaT

30-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Barfarn


Tweeter