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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 4:57:38 AM(UTC)

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LombardiAve said:
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is a leader in his field — not only of his team, but of the entire NFL. His actions of the past two days has made that very clear. Yesterday Rodgers appeared on the "Jim Rome Show' and made it known in no uncertain terms that he wanted Brett Favre [...]
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#2 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 5:30:07 AM(UTC)

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As much as I think the QB position is filled with a bunch of over pampered spoiled little shits that become that way because they are virtually blown daily by fans, coaches and the press.. I have seen Rodgers really mature as a leader since someplace in the 2010 season. This is old news now.. articles like this are simply late to the party.

He has been that for a couple of seasons now. Period.
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#3 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 6:03:26 AM(UTC)

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As much as I think the QB position is filled with a bunch of over pampered spoiled little shits that become that way because they are virtually blown daily by fans, coaches and the press.. I have seen Rodgers really mature as a leader since someplace in the 2010 season. This is old news now.. articles like this are simply late to the party.

He has been that for a couple of seasons now. Period.


His stat whoring isn't particularly mature.
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nerdmann on 5/24/2013(UTC)
User is suspended until 7/18/2016 1:25:29 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#4 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 6:20:31 AM(UTC)

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His stat whoring isn't particularly mature.


I wonder if Don Coryell would have liked Aaron Rodgers? It really is too bad we haven't been able to put a competent running game together behind Rodgers. As is, even when the Packers have an off game - they still put up enough points to win a game.

Why is it state whoring to take advantage of rules that favor the passing game, when you have a very capable quarterback. I would say Aaron gets greedy on the field and goes for the home run too much, but I wouldn't call him a stat whore.
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#5 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 7:07:05 AM(UTC)

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To be honest I thought the kid was gonna be a true leader with the maturity he showed during his first season as a starter. He handled the on again off again retirement crap with class and handled himself well having to replace a legend that had some serious Packer fans I know wearing Jets and later Vikings jerseys. Can you imagine a Cutler or Sanchez handling something like that? And as much as the O-Line has performed badly the last couple years, he's never complained about it publicly or called out receivers for drops. He just plays as well as any QB in football and never loses his cool in the clutch. On top of which he's not a complete media whore like some other top flight QB's.

Not just for his amazing play but for his character and leadership, Rodgers is exactly the QB any team in football would want to build around.

I still won't buy insurance from those a-holes at State Farm, though.
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#6 Posted : Friday, May 24, 2013 9:35:22 AM(UTC)

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DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
I wonder if Don Coryell would have liked Aaron Rodgers? It really is too bad we haven't been able to put a competent running game together behind Rodgers. As is, even when the Packers have an off game - they still put up enough points to win a game.

Why is it state whoring to take advantage of rules that favor the passing game, when you have a very capable quarterback. I would say Aaron gets greedy on the field and goes for the home run too much, but I wouldn't call him a stat whore.


I was being facetious.
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I was being facetious.


I'm not.

Don Coryell was experimenting, feeling out the possibilities for the new rules which at that time were changed to favor the passing game. This system was perfected by his protege, Bill Walsh.

Now there is, granted, a whole new set of rules to help out the passing game. These rules inhibit the defense by protecting the QB and WRs from taking big hits, but more significantly, give undue penalties against the defense for playing normal football. And let's face it DPI penalties are horse shit in today's game. They could call a flag on just about any play.

In addition to that, they're trying to pass rules to inhibit the running game by forcing rules against RBs "leading with the crown" of their helmets. Which is just ridiculous.

That said, I still think Aaron and Mike go too far with their deep passing. Sure, you'll get great stats, and you'll draw lots of penalties for free yardage. But it costs us in other ways, such as our defense getting worn down.

Montana and Rice got great stats too. Most of all, Superbowl rings. But they did it adhering to high percentage fundamentals.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:42:11 AM(UTC)

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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm not.

Don Coryell was experimenting, feeling out the possibilities for the new rules which at that time were changed to favor the passing game. This system was perfected by his protege, Bill Walsh.

Now there is, granted, a whole new set of rules to help out the passing game. These rules inhibit the defense by protecting the QB and WRs from taking big hits, but more significantly, give undue penalties against the defense for playing normal football. And let's face it DPI penalties are horse shit in today's game. They could call a flag on just about any play.


Agreed 100%.

nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
In addition to that, they're trying to pass rules to inhibit the running game by forcing rules against RBs "leading with the crown" of their helmets. Which is just ridiculous.


Unless you look at it from the perspective that this is really the first "safety" rule passed that I'm aware of that creates rules on what an offensive player can't do to a defensive player. As previously mentioned, the defense basically has to play flag football. Yes, the rule isn't great. But it goes a very short ways towards evening things a bit.

nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
That said, I still think Aaron and Mike go too far with their deep passing. Sure, you'll get great stats, and you'll draw lots of penalties for free yardage. But it costs us in other ways, such as our defense getting worn down.


Except you don't get great stats off of bombs (if you did, why wouldn't every team bomb it every time? 3 chances), nor did we draw lots of penalties for "free" yardage.

nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Montana and Rice got great stats too. Most of all, Superbowl rings. But they did it adhering to high percentage fundamentals.


http://www.pro-football-...pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Completion %:
Aaron Rodgers (29) 65.7% 2005-2012
Joe Montana+ 63.2% 1979-1994

Final note: I will never understand why people always instantly assume that you can just sit there and throw short high probability passes all day with some runs mixed in and be successful.
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#9 Posted : Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:04:10 AM(UTC)

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I don't see the passing game as stat whoring as much as not making the best decision, whether it be play calling, coaching, or QBing.
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Agreed 100%.



Except you don't get great stats off of bombs (if you did, why wouldn't every team bomb it every time? 3 chances), nor did we draw lots of penalties for "free" yardage.


http://www.pro-football-...pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Completion %:
Aaron Rodgers (29) 65.7% 2005-2012
Joe Montana+ 63.2% 1979-1994
We are successful to the degree that we are, because Ted keeps us stocked with elite players, not because we adhere to fundamentals. That said, I'd rather have Superbowl rings than a higher completion percentage. But I'm neither the coach nor the QB.


Quote:

http://www.pro-football-...pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Completion %:
Aaron Rodgers (29) 65.7% 2005-2012
Joe Montana+ 63.2% 1979-1994

Final note: I will never understand why people always instantly assume that you can just sit there and throw short high probability passes all day with some runs mixed in and be successful.



Because Montana and the 9ers weren't successful with it?
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#11 Posted : Saturday, May 25, 2013 4:22:15 PM(UTC)

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Because Montana and the 9ers weren't successful with it?


The 85 bears were successful with the 46 defense. Should everyone be using that scheme now?
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http://www.pro-football-...pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Completion %:
Aaron Rodgers (29) 65.7% 2005-2012
Joe Montana+ 63.2% 1979-1994
We are successful to the degree that we are, because Ted keeps us stocked with elite players, not because we adhere to fundamentals. That said, I'd rather have Superbowl rings than a higher completion percentage. But I'm neither the coach nor the QB.



Then you'll be happy to know that the last 6 teams that have won the Superbowl were teams that passed the ball deep a lot.
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Because Montana and the 9ers weren't successful with it?


I like how we're continually comparing the 80s and early 90s to 2013. Weren't you telling me earlier that the rules have completely changed?
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I like how we're continually comparing the 80s and early 90s to 2013. Weren't you telling me earlier that the rules have completely changed?


The rules changed to favor the passing game in 1970.

Sure they're passing more rules now, but that does not mean that you stop adhering to fundamentals. What was high percentage under those rules of the 80s and 90s, would be even moreso now.
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