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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:15:09 PM(UTC)
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Green Bay --- It appears the Green Bay Packers won't be giving Desmond Bishop a chance to pursue that goal written in his notebook after all.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:28:19 PM(UTC)
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whoa nellie.
I knew something was brewing when the Packers gave Jones the big contract but Bishop when healthy was such a big time player.

What I will be most sorry about is that he won't make it to the White House with the Packers, thus ever. (Remember he discovered that he left his ID back on the plane when the bus got to the WH.)
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:34:03 PM(UTC)
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Bishop always seemed slow/flat-footed to me. He was a good tackler but slow. Hawk is kind of the same way. Jones seems quicker and better suited for a sideline-to-sideline role. Still, I'm curious why we want to rid ourselves of him.

EDIT: This could also mean the coaches really like one of the younger guys on the roster. Say a Terrell Manning.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:44:15 PM(UTC)
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They tried to trade him during the draft.

He's a solid thumper, but not much in pass defense. It might even be more that they're not convinced he can come back from this injury.

Hawk's nothing special in coverage himself, but I think he's at least a little faster. With Hawk it's more like he's uncoordinated playing the ball in the air.

Hawk's also on the field every Sunday. (Not to jinx him of course.)
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:10:37 PM(UTC)
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WHAT THE HELL IS GOIN' ON OUT HERE???
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First D.J. Smith now Bishop!!!!

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:12:21 PM(UTC)
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damn damn damn - I really hate this. Bishop is head and shoulders better than Brad Jones and a good deal better than Hawk also. I hope they can work out something similar to what they got Hawk to settle for.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:05:52 AM(UTC)
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:04:57 AM(UTC)
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If the reports are true, another member of the Green Bay Packers’ Super Bowl XLV-winning team is on his way out of Titletown. Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee tweeted Tuesday evening that, barring a trade or a restructured deal, that the Packers will likely be parting ways with ILB Desmond Bishop.  It’s not clear what [...]
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Offline play2win  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:32:14 AM(UTC)
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It all depends on which Bishop we are talking about. Pre injury he was great. Post injury we don't know. He doesn't seem to be recovering quickly enough based on these reports, and that can easily spell his release.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:05:10 AM(UTC)
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Without Desmond Bishop, who the hell is going to overcome the deficiencies of A.J. Hawk?

Bishop is easily the most physical defensive player the Packers have. Releasing him would be foolish. Trading him ... that's a different story.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:12:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Without Desmond Bishop, who the hell is going to overcome the deficiencies of A.J. Hawk?

Bishop is easily the most physical defensive player the Packers have. Releasing him would be foolish. Trading him ... that's a different story.


Any team looking at the situation will see zero value if the Packers' best ILB is not wanted back post injury. That was a severe injury Bishop suffered, and what would anyone trade away for that risk?

This is a bummer, but an even bigger bummer to me is seeing Hawk and Jones at the top of our depth chart at ILB.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:15:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
Any team looking at the situation will see zero value if the Packers' best ILB is not wanted back post injury. That was a severe injury Bishop suffered, and what would anyone trade away for that risk?

This is a bummer, but an even bigger bummer to me is seeing Hawk and Jones at the top of our depth chart at ILB.


Releasing = nothing in return.
Trading = SOMETHING in return.


I prefer something, over nothing. I'm a crazy fool like that!
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:28:08 AM(UTC)
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Wow, that is uh, surprising to say the least! All aboard the Terrell Manning train! Dancing
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:41:19 AM(UTC)
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Desmond Bishop probably will not have too much trouble finding a new home. But things would have been much easier for him if he was cut loose much earlier in the offseason.

The Green Bay Packers are expected to part ways with the inside linebacker unless there is an unexpected contract restructure. Otherwise, the team will release him if he is not traded, something that is unlikely given his contract status. Jason Wilde of ESPN Wisconsin first reported the news.

Bishop missed the entire 2012 season with a ruptured hamstring tendon suffered in a preseason game. He has yet to take part in the team’s OTA’s so the Packers have apparently not deemed him fully healthy yet.

Bishop became expendable when Brad Jones flourished in his place. Jones was rewarded with an $11.75 million, three-year contract this offseason.

Bishop’s career took off in 2010 and 2011 but his base salary of $3.464 million this season made him expendable. We’ll see what shakes out for him.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:41:55 AM(UTC)
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I've read that the Packers are going to be going to the 3-3-5 alignment more, meaning only one inside linebacker on the field for about 65% of the plays. Seems to me, since Brad Jones is the best coverage guy, the choice came down to Hawk over Bishop. I think they are all mediocre so dumping Bishop isn't going to keep me up nights, but I will always remember his game saving tackle on Desean Jackson against the Eagles in 2010.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:08:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Releasing = nothing in return.
Trading = SOMETHING in return.


I prefer something, over nothing. I'm a crazy fool like that!


Oh, I totally agree. I am too! I was counting on him being back. Now, it looks not so good, and probably really tough to make a deal.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:39:10 AM(UTC)
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When is Ted Thompson going to realize his stupidity?

I always read the comments at the end of the articles that are posted, NEVER and I mean NEVER, has there been any support for A.J. Hawk and very little support for Brad Jones!!!!!

According to most fans these 2 have no business being on The Packers roster let alone the fact that they are currently THE STARTERS for 2013!!!!

Ted Thompsons inability to bring in talented ILBr's and his stubbornness to OVERPAY the ones who do hang around is just another reason The Packers will continue to come up short in their goal to bring The Lombardi Trophy back to Green Bay.

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#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:43:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
When is Ted Thompson going to realize his stupidity?

I always read the comments at the end of the articles that are posted, NEVER and I mean NEVER, has there been any support for A.J. Hawk and very little support for Brad Jones!!!!!

According to most fans these 2 have no business being on The Packers roster let alone the fact that they are currently THE STARTERS for 2013!!!!

Ted Thompsons inability to bring in talented ILBr's and his stubbornness to OVERPAY the ones who do hang around is just another reason The Packers will continue to come up short in their goal to bring The Lombardi Trophy back to Green Bay.

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Ted Thompson was a talentless linebacker in his NFL days. He was regulated to Special Teams. He has a weak mindset when it comes to LB's that shouldn't really be in the NFL so he keeps giving so many undeserving LB's a chance.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:18:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
When is Ted Thompson going to realize his stupidity?

I always read the comments at the end of the articles that are posted, NEVER and I mean NEVER, has there been any support for A.J. Hawk and very little support for Brad Jones!!!!!

According to most fans these 2 have no business being on The Packers roster let alone the fact that they are currently THE STARTERS for 2013!!!!

Ted Thompsons inability to bring in talented ILBr's and his stubbornness to OVERPAY the ones who do hang around is just another reason The Packers will continue to come up short in their goal to bring The Lombardi Trophy back to Green Bay.

...........FIRE TED THOMPSON............


I will trust Ted Thompson's decisions over any fan's opinion. There's a reason he gets paid to do what he does and we don't. Besides, how many current GMs have a Super Bowl on their resume?
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:19:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Ted Thompson was a talentless linebacker in his NFL days. He was regulated to Special Teams. He has a weak mindset when it comes to LB's that shouldn't really be in the NFL so he keeps giving so many undeserving LB's a chance.


Makes sense to me!!!!
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:43:08 AM(UTC)
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The timing makes no sense...

If his injury was not healing up to par, he would have been cut along with DJ Smith for failing a physical.

If it is money... Why? We are under cap now, there is no reason to make a move for the sake of saving cash at the expense of losing a starting ILB... Unless Ted is making room for an extension on another player.

The extension must already be on the table too, because with Pickett's contract coming off after this season, there would be more room to handle it at the end of the season.


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#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:48:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
The timing makes no sense...

If his injury was not healing up to par, he would have been cut along with DJ Smith for failing a physical.

If it is money... Why? We are under cap now, there is no reason to make a move for the sake of saving cash at the expense of losing a starting ILB... Unless Ted is making room for an extension on another player.

The extension must already be on the table too, because with Pickett's contract coming off after this season, there would be more room to handle it at the end of the season.


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#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:54:37 AM(UTC)
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I think it's simply scheme change and Jones stepping up. Packers changed up their scheme last year asking the ILB to do more sideline to sideline stuff and Bishop lack speed to start with and then injuries... and they like Hawk and Jones a lot more than the public does. And in the old scheme Hawk like Pickett did a lot of dirty work to set up other guys to make plays by taking on blocks and doing other things. Then gets 3 sacks in his first season in the changed scheme.

Also I think it's been said they're trying to get him to take a reduced deal. So maybe he'll stick around if he agrees to a reduced deal like Hawk did.

But they got a number of guys going to be FAs this upcoming FA

Raji, Pickett, Burnett, D-Smith, Shields, Neal, Wilson, Starks, James Jones?

Raji, Burnett, Shields and D-Smith are probably locks to get new deals with the Packers. And maybe Neal too.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:57:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
If it is money... Why? We are under cap now, there is no reason to make a move for the sake of saving cash at the expense of losing a starting ILB... Unless Ted is making room for an extension on another player.


I'm assuming this is the reason, whether it's for Raji, Sheilds (can he ever be resigned this season?), Burnett, Neal, Bulaga, or some other player that Ted hopes to extend.

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#25 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:59:36 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
I think it's simply scheme change and Jones stepping up. Packers changed up their scheme last year asking the ILB to do more sideline to sideline stuff and Bishop lack speed to start with and then injuries... and they like Hawk and Jones a lot more than the public does. And in the old scheme Hawk like Pickett did a lot of dirty work to set up other guys to make plays by taking on blocks and doing other things. Then gets 3 sacks in his first season in the changed scheme.

Also I think it's been said they're trying to get him to take a reduced deal. So maybe he'll stick around if he agrees to a reduced deal like Hawk did.

But they got a number of guys going to be FAs this upcoming FA

Raji, Pickett, Burnett, D-Smith, Shields, Neal, Wilson, Starks, James Jones?

Raji, Burnett, Shields and D-Smith are probably locks to get new deals with the Packers. And maybe Neal too.


I really only seem to hear about this change of scheme for the LB's from your posts. Is there some other discussion regarding this that I can read about? I suppose I don't feel as confident about the statements are you do.
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