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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 1:10:45 PM(UTC)
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If Desmond Bishop can prove himself well, he should be in demand. And there might not be more of a need for the soon-to-be-former Packers linebacker than inside the NFC North. According to Weston Hodkiewicz of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, Bishop's first visit once he's officially a free agent is expected to be with the
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#2 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 3:10:46 PM(UTC)
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im so sick of the goddamn vikings.

between them scooping up ex-favorites, Bert, Greg, Bishop 3-good first-rounders this year, and the Bears getting Cutler, Peppers, and Marshall in consecutive offseasons.

the offseason is brutal for packer fans. or just me.


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#3 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 4:03:02 PM(UTC)
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The Packers apparently lit a fire under Desmond Bishop with his release. And they may have to put it out twice a year. Bishop told ESPNWisconsin.com’s Jason Wilde that being released today will serve as motivation, something a former sixth-rounder who worked his way into a starting job never needed. “This is definitely a motivating
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#4 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 4:30:46 PM(UTC)
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Bring it.

Bishop's a run stuffer. We don't run the ball.
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#5 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 8:27:40 PM(UTC)
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If you want to see a blueprint of lighting up Bishop, check out the Chargers game in '11.

Run off his help with post and crossing routes and leave him on an island against a TE running a deep out.

Greenway is also a slow thumper. Beat them with speedy TEs and RBs.

We might have couple on the roster.
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#6 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 8:53:17 PM(UTC)
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I love that it really doesn't matter what position an ex-Packer plays, the Vikings feel it would be an instant upgrade to snatch them up. They go after EVERYONE.

Seriously, I bet we could cut a hot dog vendor and the Vikes would be blowing up the guy's cell phone trying to get him in Minnesota. It's beyond comical.
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#7 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 8:53:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
im so sick of the goddamn vikings.

between them scooping up ex-favorites, Bert, Greg, Bishop 3-good first-rounders this year, and the Bears getting Cutler, Peppers, and Marshall in consecutive offseasons.

the offseason is brutal for packer fans. or just me.


Must be you. Because I don't think so.

I like the opponents wasting roster spots for old washed up players and overpriced overrated FAs.

There is a reason the Bears have had 5 #1 Draft picks in the last 8 years. Wasting the few they have left on project guys and specialty role players. Like Long and McClellin.

Cutler is a mediocre QB with a big arm. He has a crappy rating over 10 yards. What good is a big arm if you can't hit the broad side of a barn. From the inside. He cost them 2 firsts and a huge cap hit. They could have used 1 to draft a mediocre QB and been ahead by a 1st round pick.

Marshall is inefficient. He cost them 2 thirds and a huge cap hit. He is 40% of their passing game. That is more than Jones and Cobb together are for the Packers. While Jones and Cobb put up 22 TDs, Marshall only put up 11.

Bert Facre didn't do much for the Vikings. In 2009, they had the 2nd easiest schedule in Viking history. In 2010, they had a tough schedule. When the real Facre showed up.

Greg is a great guy and a great player. I hope he does well and stays healthy. But it has been years since he has.
I hope that Bishop goes to the Vikings. We could use another slow defender in coverage for our offense to face.

As far as the Vikings draft picks, I think they were 2 for 3. They wasted a lot of picks for a project WR who runs crappy routes and has questionable hands. Fast, stupid and can't catch. Sounds like Hester.
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 17, 2013 9:08:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RajiRoar Go to Quoted Post
im so sick of the goddamn vikings.

between them scooping up ex-favorites, Bert, Greg, Bishop 3-good first-rounders this year, and the Bears getting Cutler, Peppers, and Marshall in consecutive offseasons.

the offseason is brutal for packer fans. or just me.


Just you hahahaha. All in all, it seems to me that this has been an excellent off-season. The Packers should be on their way to a Super season.

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:33:22 AM(UTC)
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Funny reading the comments after the article.

I think this is more about:

1. Financial risk retaining an injured starter money player

2. Respect for Bishop in allowing him to have ample time to sign on with another team for the best money he can get.

3. The possibility of him coming back for way less if he can't find a high priced contract in the open market.

4. Bishop's hamstring strain precluding him from participating in OTAs after his tendon tear rehab.

5. The number of other player contracts that are up and in need of Bishop's $3.5M cap dollars.

If Bish came in truly ready and participated in OTAs this may be a far different story.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:17:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Must be you. Because I don't think so.

I like the opponents wasting roster spots for old washed up players and overpriced overrated FAs.

There is a reason the Bears have had 5 #1 Draft picks in the last 8 years. Wasting the few they have left on project guys and specialty role players. Like Long and McClellin.

Cutler is a mediocre QB with a big arm. He has a crappy rating over 10 yards. What good is a big arm if you can't hit the broad side of a barn. From the inside. He cost them 2 firsts and a huge cap hit. They could have used 1 to draft a mediocre QB and been ahead by a 1st round pick.

Marshall is inefficient. He cost them 2 thirds and a huge cap hit. He is 40% of their passing game. That is more than Jones and Cobb together are for the Packers. While Jones and Cobb put up 22 TDs, Marshall only put up 11.

Bert Facre didn't do much for the Vikings. In 2009, they had the 2nd easiest schedule in Viking history. In 2010, they had a tough schedule. When the real Facre showed up.

Greg is a great guy and a great player. I hope he does well and stays healthy. But it has been years since he has.
I hope that Bishop goes to the Vikings. We could use another slow defender in coverage for our offense to face.

As far as the Vikings draft picks, I think they were 2 for 3. They wasted a lot of picks for a project WR who runs crappy routes and has questionable hands. Fast, stupid and can't catch. Sounds like Hester.


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#11 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:15:36 AM(UTC)
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I would sooner see the Queens picking up our castoffs than us picking up theirs.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:30:08 AM(UTC)
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If I were a Vikings fan (first, shoot me) I'd be PISSED that the Vikings seem to be first in line on the NFC North cast offs, lol. It just gives Packers fans another thing to laugh at them for!!
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:22:09 PM(UTC)
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Lets see Vikings made the playoffs last year with a high school qb. They add players to help them this year but yet people say they suck. I am lost if they are saying this because of the green and gold glasses or is it a joke? But yet the Packer lose players and we are the best team ever? We still don't have a defense and we lose 2 wrs.


I'm so lost with people on here.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:34:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
Lets see Vikings made the playoffs last year with a high school qb. They add players to help them this year but yet people say they suck. I am lost if they are saying this because of the green and gold glasses or is it a joke? But yet the Packer lose players and we are the best team ever? We still don't have a defense and we lose 2 wrs.


I'm so lost with people on here.


Correction, they made the playoffs with a RB who had a rare NFL season statistically. It had far less to do with the QB than the RB. I'm also intrigued to see that you've jumped off the "Detroit gonna be a force this season!" bandwagon and jumped on the "Fear the Vikings!!" bandwagon.

Packers fans say the Vikings suck, just like the Bears suck, it is regardless of their record. When you become a full fan of the Packers, this won't be so damn confusing to you!

Another example ... Dale Earnhardt fans say Jeff Gordon sucks, but Gordon has won more races and multiple Cup trophies.

I hope I have helped you understand. No charge.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 4:15:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Correction, they made the playoffs with a RB who had a rare NFL season statistically. It had far less to do with the QB than the RB. I'm also intrigued to see that you've jumped off the "Detroit gonna be a force this season!" bandwagon and jumped on the "Fear the Vikings!!" bandwagon.

Packers fans say the Vikings suck, just like the Bears suck, it is regardless of their record. When you become a full fan of the Packers, this won't be so damn confusing to you!

Another example ... Dale Earnhardt fans say Jeff Gordon sucks, but Gordon has won more races and multiple Cup trophies.

I hope I have helped you understand. No charge.


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I think the NFC north is going to be the best division in football this year. And yes Kevin that means Detroit will be a force. If they can actually have their defense keep its cool and grow up.


I am stoked for some football and I am so glad I get Sunday Ticket for free this year. If you get time before the season starts Kevin we can setup you know what for all the games :)
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:26:15 PM(UTC)
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As long as the Lions have Sterling Sharpe syndrome, they will never be better than mediocre.

It isn't their D. It is their head coach.

Having a great WR doesn't help a team with no depth.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:54:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
Lets see Vikings made the playoffs last year with a high school qb. They add players to help them this year but yet people say they suck. I am lost if they are saying this because of the green and gold glasses or is it a joke? But yet the Packer lose players and we are the best team ever? We still don't have a defense and we lose 2 wrs.


I'm so lost with people on here.


I think you are just lost.

They lost 2 WRs? Well, maybe technically. Both were less than 10% of the Packers WR targets and Rodgers still was able to put up the 14th highest single season passer rating in NFL history. I don't think they will be missed. They also added 2 draft pick and a couple of FA WRs.

Having any healthy running backs the whole year will be a massive improvement.

Woodson missed half the year and the passing D was still top 4 in passer rating allowed. They won't miss him. Heyward was better in the slot anyway.

Crabtree was 4 TDs in 3 years. I don't think he was better than Quarless.

The Packers actually added about 35 players including 12 draft picks.

Just because they were not on ESPNs free agent watch list, it doesn't mean they aren't actually better than the guys the Bears and Vikings picked up.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 2:32:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
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I think the NFC north is going to be the best division in football this year. And yes Kevin that means Detroit will be a force. If they can actually have their defense keep its cool and grow up.



How do you figure this? There is only one legitimate playoff team in our division. The other three have major holes. The Vikings won't be playoff a last place schedule this season either. And their defense is going into the season without a NFL caliber middle linebacker, a DE coming off a knee injury, and an aging DT playing his last season in purple.

The Bears will be bad and the Lions never seem to be able to stop shooting themselves in their own ass. Back to the drawing board for you Hazr.

Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, and the Giants will win their divisions: leaving two wild card teams in Seattle and Washington/New Orleans. How Hazr is the NFC North a better division than the East or West?
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 5:00:02 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
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I think the NFC north is going to be the best division in football this year. And yes Kevin that means Detroit will be a force. If they can actually have their defense keep its cool and grow up.


I am stoked for some football and I am so glad I get Sunday Ticket for free this year. If you get time before the season starts Kevin we can setup you know what for all the games :)


Hey for you buddy, anytime! :) I am with you on the NFC North being a very solid division, probably the second most difficult to win in the NFL. I think Detroit will win a few games people expect them to lose, same with the Vikings. The Bears could surprise some. I'm a little worried with not hearing anything about them. Kinda like your kids, when they quiet, you get nervous, lol.

I'm back in Green Bay (as of Jan 2012, thanks for paying attention) so we already get all the games for your know what. :P
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 12:44:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
How do you figure this? There is only one legitimate playoff team in our division. The other three have major holes. The Vikings won't be playoff a last place schedule this season either. And their defense is going into the season without a NFL caliber middle linebacker, a DE coming off a knee injury, and an aging DT playing his last season in purple.

The Bears will be bad and the Lions never seem to be able to stop shooting themselves in their own ass. Back to the drawing board for you Hazr.

Atlanta, Green Bay, San Francisco, and the Giants will win their divisions: leaving two wild card teams in Seattle and Washington/New Orleans. How Hazr is the NFC North a better division than the East or West?


Not having Lovey Smith in the division anymore feels great. The Bares are blowing it up and starting all over.

The Queens have a good defensive HC, in an offense-based league. And shit for QBs.

Detoilet has been exposed. We all thought their coach was for real, turns out he wasn't.
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:02:12 PM(UTC)
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ESPN reporting Bishop will visit with K.C tomorrow.

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#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:03:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Hey for you buddy, anytime! :) I am with you on the NFC North being a very solid division, probably the second most difficult to win in the NFL. I think Detroit will win a few games people expect them to lose, same with the Vikings. The Bears could surprise some. I'm a little worried with not hearing anything about them. Kinda like your kids, when they quiet, you get nervous, lol.

I'm back in Green Bay (as of Jan 2012, thanks for paying attention) so we already get all the games for your know what. :P



Detroit added a starting caliber RB thus we forget and like I said if their defense stops being stupid they will be strong. And for the person saying minnesota don't have a mlb and a DE cmon please like we have any of them? Our defense is just plain bad as it has been except for one year since Capers took over. Sure we drafted RB's but when did we get an o-line that can block?

BTW Kevin I was referring to the Monday and Thursday games for others.

I think we will sneak by and win the division but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the others beat us out.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 7:22:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dhazer Go to Quoted Post
Detroit added a starting caliber RB thus we forget and like I said if their defense stops being stupid they will be strong. And for the person saying minnesota don't have a mlb and a DE cmon please like we have any of them? Our defense is just plain bad as it has been except for one year since Capers took over. Sure we drafted RB's but when did we get an o-line that can block?

BTW Kevin I was referring to the Monday and Thursday games for others.

I think we will sneak by and win the division but it wouldn't surprise me if one of the others beat us out.


Who is forgetting about Reggie Bush? Does he add a solid dimension to their Megatron focused offense? Yes.

I think they will be solid opponents, as is every divisional game ... I just don't put NFC North better than NFC West. Can't do it. Won't do it.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:03:35 PM(UTC)
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I'm not sure how I feel about our inside linebacker position outside of AJ Hawk. Brad Jones is decent, but I don't know if I really like him all that much as a starter. He didn't do too bad filling in last year. But who is behind him? Nobody that has proven themselves...
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#25 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:37:56 AM(UTC)
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Let me go ahead and play a little Devil's advocate in this thread, because the optimism is getting way out of hand here.

Originally Posted by: Dexter_Sinister Go to Quoted Post
Must be you. Because I don't think so.

I like the opponents wasting roster spots for old washed up players and overpriced overrated FAs.

There is a reason the Bears have had 5 #1 Draft picks in the last 8 years. Wasting the few they have left on project guys and specialty role players. Like Long and McClellin.

Cutler is a mediocre QB with a big arm. He has a crappy rating over 10 yards. What good is a big arm if you can't hit the broad side of a barn. From the inside. He cost them 2 firsts and a huge cap hit. They could have used 1 to draft a mediocre QB and been ahead by a 1st round pick.

Marshall is inefficient. He cost them 2 thirds and a huge cap hit. He is 40% of their passing game. That is more than Jones and Cobb together are for the Packers. While Jones and Cobb put up 22 TDs, Marshall only put up 11.

Bert Facre didn't do much for the Vikings. In 2009, they had the 2nd easiest schedule in Viking history. In 2010, they had a tough schedule. When the real Facre showed up.

Greg is a great guy and a great player. I hope he does well and stays healthy. But it has been years since he has.
I hope that Bishop goes to the Vikings. We could use another slow defender in coverage for our offense to face.

As far as the Vikings draft picks, I think they were 2 for 3. They wasted a lot of picks for a project WR who runs crappy routes and has questionable hands. Fast, stupid and can't catch. Sounds like Hester.


The Bears' drafting has been awful the last few years and Long is a project, maybe even a reach at 20, but they had one of the best drafts in the league after that 1st rounder.

If Long does pan out, everyone will be calling them geniusses. Especially if guys like Bostic, Greene and Washington work out the way they should.

Cutler isn't a great QB, he's nowhere near the elite level, but I wouldn't call him mediocre, either. He's just a guy who needs a supporting cast. He's just like Palmer, not going to carry a team, but when you put the pieces in place, they produce.

Don't forget that it's not that long ago when people wondered whether Rodgers or Cutler was the superior QB.

Marshall was expensive, but how much would two 2nd rounders really net you? Certainly not something of equal talent. I agree that they have a lot of money tied up in players like Marshall and Peppers, but Marshall's an amazing receiver and superior to anyone who we have on the roster. That TD stat is nice, but that doesn't take into account his 118 catches and 1500 yards. Calvin Johnson had just 5 TDs, but that doesn't tell me anything by its own, really.

Favre did face a weak schedule with the Vikes that year, but he just played lights-out, as well. That game against the Saints wasn't against a weak team and the only reason they didn't won that, was because of Adrian "Butterfingers" Peterson. Favre threw a very, very bad pick at the end, but that would've been an easy win, had Peterson not fumbled 39 times in one game.

Greg was overpriced and overrated, but he is an improvement over anything they have and they will be more dangerous on offense for it.

I don't see how Cordarrelle Patterson would be a wasted pick. The guy had enough upside and talent to be a top 5 players, but he's raw. Taking a chance on him at 29 was a great choice. I wouldn't have minded if the Packers drafted him with their pick before that.

That said, I do think that the Packers are the team to beat, but the Bears, Vikes and Lions aren't as far behind as everyone here seems to think. Yes, they have holes, but so do we. There's not a single team in the league that doesn't have them. We'll see how it plays out, but we're not going to be running away with the division and I don't see us going 6-0 in the NFCN.
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