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MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:31:00 PM(UTC)
LombardiAve said:
It's the offseason dog days of June, about a month removed from the NFL Draft and a month before the start of the NFL Training Camps, including that for the Green Bay Packers. So you know what that means — it's time for everyone to put out their "best of' lists. We won't disappoint here [...]
nerdmann  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:03:42 PM(UTC)
Majik Man was great.

He shouldn't be downgraded because of the injuries. He left it all out there on the field.
dhazer  
#3 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:07:31 AM(UTC)
I will say for most under rated I would have to go with"You may beat our Pack but you won't lick our Dickey" Lynn Dickey was a good qb and he was all we had back in the 80's.



Over rated is a hard one so i will just throw this out there and say the wr corp the past few years. People keep saying they are the best in the league we can go 6 deep blah blah blah. But seriously were they that great I don't think so.
nerdmann  
#4 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:34:44 AM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
I will say for most under rated I would have to go with"You may beat our Pack but you won't lick our Dickey" Lynn Dickey was a good qb and he was all we had back in the 80's.



Over rated is a hard one so i will just throw this out there and say the wr corp the past few years. People keep saying they are the best in the league we can go 6 deep blah blah blah. But seriously were they that great I don't think so.


No, these WRs really are that good.

For underrated, I'll go with Robert Brown. Pretty decent call.

Overrated? Hmm. Robert Brooks? Great guy. Solid Character. Went over the middle. Did everything you could ask. I just don't think he was THAT great. Or let's say Antonio Freeman. Got that big contract and was never the same.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#5 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:57:07 AM(UTC)
Oh Hell No! Not another anti-Favre diatribe! Nothing against Majkowski, who did a damn good job for the time he played, but BRETT FAVRE IS THE GREATEST PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY, and will be until Aaron Rodgers continues his own greatness long enough to be placed above Favre.

Robert Brown underrated? I guess - I was certainly around in the 80s, and I honestly don't even remember him hahahaha. I thought at first they meant Bob Brown of the Lombardi era. I sure don't think Robert Brooks is overrated, or Freeman either.

John Hadl has to go down in Packer history as the most overrated, followed closely by Brent Fullwood.

Jerry Kramer wasn't underrated like the article said, despite the unfortunate Hall of Fame thing. My definition of underrated is basically coming out of nowhere to have a long distinguished career. Would a 17th round draft pick who was MVP of two Super Bowls qualify? - THAT'S my candidate.


Bart Starr - in case anybody is reading who has no sense of history.
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:59:46 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh Hell No! Not another anti-Favre diatribe! Nothing against Majkowski, who did a damn good job for the time he played, but BRETT FAVRE IS THE GREATEST PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY, and will be until Aaron Rodgers continues his own greatness long enough to be placed above Favre.

Robert Brown underrated? I guess - I was certainly around in the 80s, and I honestly don't even remember him hahahaha. I thought at first they meant Bob Brown of the Lombardi era. I sure don't think Robert Brooks is overrated, or Freeman either.

John Hadl has to go down in Packer history as the most overrated, followed closely by Brent Fullwood.

Jerry Kramer wasn't underrated like the article said, despite the unfortunate Hall of Fame thing. My definition of underrated is basically coming out of nowhere to have a long distinguished career. Would a 17th round draft pick who was MVP of two Super Bowls qualify? - THAT'S my candidate.


Bart Starr - in case anybody is reading who has no sense of history.


Brett Favray was a redneck, we get it. You identify with him.

Doesn't mean he was all that great.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#7 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:22:36 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Brett Favray was a redneck, we get it. You identify with him.

Doesn't mean he was all that great.


I was born and raised in Wisconsin hahahaha - which I guess doesn't necessarily rule out being a redneck, but whatever. I tend to look down on most of those people hahahaha.

The sum total of Favre's career is GREATER than any other QB in history, and indisputably greater than anybody else at any position - for the CAREER. I didn't say he was absolutely the best player, just that he accomplished the most - which to me, makes him the GREATEST.

nerdmann  
#8 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:29:52 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
I was born and raised in Wisconsin hahahaha - which I guess doesn't necessarily rule out being a redneck, but whatever. I tend to look down on most of those people hahahaha.

The sum total of Favre's career is GREATER than any other QB in history, and indisputably greater than anybody else at any position - for the CAREER. I didn't say he was absolutely the best player, just that he accomplished the most - which to me, makes him the GREATEST.



You don't think he was blackmailed to throw the dumbest, most ridiculous (and costly) INTs in the playoffs?
Dexter_Sinister  
#9 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:22:27 PM(UTC)
Favre is the 4th best Packer QB.

Compare how they played in the post season when comparing Starr to Favre.

Starr has the highest post season passer rating in the history of the league.

Favre has the most NFCCG chokes in the history of the league.

Starr also played in an era when it was tougher to throw. The rules make it easier on the WRs and the QBs.

So the NFL average for Favre's era was 12.5 higher than it was in Starr's day.

Arnie Herber was farther above average in his day than Favre was. He also has 3 consecutive championships and hold the record for most yards per completion.

If a mediocre QB has 5000 more attempts than everyone else, he should hold every record. Good and bad. That wouldn't make him a better QB.

Favre was a fairly good QB. But he does have 1800 more attempts than the next highest guy on the list and 5000 more attempts than all but 10 QBs in NFL history. The records only prove he threw it more. Not that he threw it better.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#10 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:33:06 PM(UTC)
Sheesh! so much IDIOTIC Favre-hate - and from people supposed to be Packer fans! You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
yooperfan  
#11 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:44:01 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't think he was blackmailed to throw the dumbest, most ridiculous (and costly) INTs in the playoffs?


What?
You just threw the dumbest, most ridiculous aspersion into the thread!

Dexter_Sinister  
#12 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:49:51 PM(UTC)
It isn't Favre hate.

It is taking the hero worship blinders off and shining the glaring light of reality on the myth.

For some, no matter what reality you show them, they can't let go of the myth. Favre could bugger an unwilling goat on the 50 yard line during the super bowl half time show and some die hard fans would find a way to blame the goat.
Dexter_Sinister  
#13 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:53:39 PM(UTC)
Favre isn't the 5th best Packer player.

Don Hutson was the greatest ever. Maybe the greatest football player ever.

To not know that and say Favre is the greatest football player ever is a crime no Packer fan would ever commit.

A Favre fan wouldn't have a problem with it though.

Which one are you?
Dexter_Sinister  
#14 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:05:34 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Sheesh! so much IDIOTIC Favre-hate - and from people supposed to be Packer fans! You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.


Thanks. That is perfect example of how to over rate a player.

Faver is one of the most over rated players ever.

Since Joe Namath and John Elway.

Favre is about 40 on the all time list.

Tied with Trent Green.
nerdmann  
#15 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:32:16 PM(UTC)
yooperfan said: Go to Quoted Post
What?
You just threw the dumbest, most ridiculous aspersion into the thread!



Do you think he laid down for Strahan to get the sack record?
porky88  
#16 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:39:15 PM(UTC)
Dexter_Sinister said: Go to Quoted Post
Favre is the 4th best Packer QB.

Compare how they played in the post season when comparing Starr to Favre.

Starr has the highest post season passer rating in the history of the league.

Favre has the most NFCCG chokes in the history of the league.

Starr also played in an era when it was tougher to throw. The rules make it easier on the WRs and the QBs.

So the NFL average for Favre's era was 12.5 higher than it was in Starr's day.

Arnie Herber was farther above average in his day than Favre was. He also has 3 consecutive championships and hold the record for most yards per completion.

If a mediocre QB has 5000 more attempts than everyone else, he should hold every record. Good and bad. That wouldn't make him a better QB.

Favre was a fairly good QB. But he does have 1800 more attempts than the next highest guy on the list and 5000 more attempts than all but 10 QBs in NFL history. The records only prove he threw it more. Not that he threw it better.

It's hard to knock Favre for interceptions and then praise Arnie Herber, who threw 106 interceptions and only 81 touchdowns. He also attempted 1,175 career passes. Favre attempted 10,169 passes. Based on the pattern, Herber would have over 900 interceptions by his 10,169th pass attempt. That's nearly 600 more than Favre's 336.

Comparing the eras (and players) is impossible considering the game was far less complex. Some high school sophomores probably can run a faster 40 than many of the players during that era. Rob Gronkowski also would probably play nose tackle and guard. There are a few exceptions (namely Don Hutson), but that’s why they’re exceptions and not the rule.

Another obstacle is the lack of weight training by the players, and the fact many probably were smokers. Regardless, the biggest omission people make in comparing distant eras to today's age is race relations. Herber won championships in the 30s. Jackie Robinson hadn't even broken through the barrier yet. To recap, the players didn’t train, they weren’t as healthy, and prejudices prevented the league from fielding the best players.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#17 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 5:17:04 AM(UTC)
Again in this thread, there is a whole lot of IDIOCY being posted against Favre by some DISGRACES to be called Packer fans.

The guy may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer. He may have shown some stupidity and/or disloyalty and/or whatever at the end of his career, but WHILE HE WAS A PACKER he had a career unparalleled in NFL history. We - including the shitheads trashing him if they are old enough, had fifteen wonderful years of winning football, thanks in large part to Brett Favre. That far outweighs whatever petty shit at the end, and his records for yardage and touchdowns along with the consecutive game streak say that NOBODY in NFL history ever had a better career.

I'll be the first to say Aaron Rodgers is a better player right now than Favre was at his best, and that Rodgers likely will surpass Favre as the greatest in history, but for these sick trolls and shitheads to deny the undeniable is just plain disgraceful.
Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 5:57:08 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Again in this thread, there is a whole lot of IDIOCY being posted against Favre by some DISGRACES to be called Packer fans.

The guy may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer. He may have shown some stupidity and/or disloyalty and/or whatever at the end of his career, but WHILE HE WAS A PACKER he had a career unparalleled in NFL history. We - including the shitheads trashing him if they are old enough, had fifteen wonderful years of winning football, thanks in large part to Brett Favre. That far outweighs whatever petty shit at the end, and his records for yardage and touchdowns along with the consecutive game streak say that NOBODY in NFL history ever had a better career.

I'll be the first to say Aaron Rodgers is a better player right now than Favre was at his best, and that Rodgers likely will surpass Favre as the greatest in history, but for these sick trolls and shitheads to deny the undeniable is just plain disgraceful.


I don't think anyone is minimizing how good of a player Brett Favre was. Rather, more so just saying he was good, but he also played more games than most and threw more than most, which is an efficient way to get "all time total" records.

Being extremely durable doesn't mean you were the greatest quarterback in the NFL. It means you were extremely durable and for that, the Packers were immensely lucky.

One gripe against Brett Favre is the post season play. Gun slinging is exciting, but it's not how you should play "win or go home" games and we fans know exactly why.
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#19 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 6:26:20 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Oh Hell No! Not another anti-Favre diatribe! Nothing against Majkowski, who did a damn good job for the time he played, but BRETT FAVRE IS THE GREATEST PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY, and will be until Aaron Rodgers continues his own greatness long enough to be placed above Favre.



I didn't know you were a slurper too. Favre was great, but he choked too much to be considered the Greatest Player Ever. And when you consider his character, well then that takes him down a few more notches. Brett Favre is the classic big man on campus egomaniac.
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#20 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2013 6:32:27 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Again in this thread, there is a whole lot of IDIOCY being posted against Favre by some DISGRACES to be called Packer fans.

The guy may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer. He may have shown some stupidity and/or disloyalty and/or whatever at the end of his career, but WHILE HE WAS A PACKER he had a career unparalleled in NFL history. We - including the shitheads trashing him if they are old enough, had fifteen wonderful years of winning football, thanks in large part to Brett Favre. That far outweighs whatever petty shit at the end, and his records for yardage and touchdowns along with the consecutive game streak say that NOBODY in NFL history ever had a better career.

I'll be the first to say Aaron Rodgers is a better player right now than Favre was at his best, and that Rodgers likely will surpass Favre as the greatest in history, but for these sick trolls and shitheads to deny the undeniable is just plain disgraceful.


My God are you a sad man. We Packer fans can do with Favre what we want. The guy deserves all his accolades but he also has EARNED all of his criticisms. Brett Favre in not a demigod, he was a great football player, with many visible flaws.
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