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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:02:12 PM(UTC)
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[img]http://cmsimg.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=U0&Date=20080923&Category=PKR07&ArtNo=80923162&Ref=AR&Profile=1058&MaxW=318&Border=0[/img]It didnt take long for the Ted Thompson haters to pounce.

Critics began lobbing missiles at the Packers general manager soon after Green Bay lost to the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday night.

The Packers first defeat, they proclaimed, was proof Thompson never should have traded Brett Favre.

Never mind the Cowboys dominated every phase of the game and the presence of Favre would have made little difference.

Never mind Favre was befuddled against essentially this same Cowboys defense last November.

Never mind the Cowboys overwhelming dominance in the trenches, and not new Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, was the primary reason the Packers lost.

If anything, the Cowboys lopsided victory provided evidence Thompson made the correct call in putting the offense in the hands of Rodgers. If the Cowboys continue to play lights-out football like they did at Lambeau Field, then no one in the NFL is going to touch them. The Packers, with or without Favre at quarterback, would have little chance against such a superior opponent.

If it could be proven that the Packers Super Bowl chances rested solely on Favre, then the Thompson bashers would have good reason to gloat. However, based on early-season results, that is not the case.

The Packers are the youngest team in the NFL. Their brightest Super Bowl hopes may well arrive in the coming years when those youthful players, including Rodgers, reach maturity.

That in no way implies the Packers have thrown in the towel on 2008 by replacing Favre with Rodgers. Its too soon to make any lasting judgments, but so far, Rodgers compares favorably to Favre.

Rodgers has a slightly better rating (102.9 to 98.7), a slightly lower completion percentage (65 percent to 70 percent) and fewer interceptions (none to three).

The knock against Rodgers, according to some nitpickers, is he doesnt take enough chances and thus cant ignite the offense like Favre could.

Rodgers off-balance, make-something-happen touchdown pass to Korey Hall in a Week 1 victory over the Vikings contradicts that view. In addition, his ability to scramble has added a new dimension.

Its true the Packers bogged down in the red zone against the Cowboys and Rodgers was unable to elevate his team. But many quarterbacks will struggle against that same defensive buzz saw, as Favre did last season.

Rodgers ranks seventh in the NFL in quarterback ratings and has displayed grit and poise for someone with only three career NFL starts. Favre ranks a respectable 10th despite having to learn a new offense and adjust to different receivers.

Both quarterbacks are solid starters, which suggests it would have been a waste to have a player as talented as Rodgers riding the bench for a fourth consecutive season.

That Rodgers should be around for years to come only gives Thompson more evidence to defend his controversial offseason quarterback decision.
Bigbyfan  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:08:12 PM(UTC)
That is a good read.
zombieslayer  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:53:59 PM(UTC)
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Never mind the Cowboys overwhelming dominance in the trenches, and not new Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, was the primary reason the Packers lost.


Very true. Blaming the loss on Aaron Rodgers is very narrow-minded. The Cows dominated this game.

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The knock against Rodgers, according to some nitpickers, is he doesnt take enough chances and thus cant ignite the offense like Favre could.


This is actually a legitimate criticism. BF has pulled rabbits out of hats many times in the past and still continues to do so. The Jets are downright awful, yet he manages to get them on the scoreboard. But it's done. BF is not coming back, and so far, Aaron Rodgers 's been pretty dang impressive for only 3 starts.

I said this at game 2 and will stand by it - at the end of the season, Aaron Rodgers has a better season than Peyton Manning. Watch.
Roddyboy  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:04:16 PM(UTC)
This article is total B.S. and filled with inaccuracies...

Now here is where I tear it to shreds.

1. "The presence of Favre would have made little difference".

Total opinion and conjecture, and not even very educated. Favre often was the deciding factor in Packer wins because he had the talent and the experience to improvise. He wasn't a "system QB", which is what Aaron Rodgers is.

2. Last year has nothing to do with this year.

3. "The Packers are the youngest team in the NFL. Their brightest Super Bowl hopes may well arrive in the coming years when those youthful players, including Rodgers, reach maturity.

That in no way implies the Packers have thrown in the towel on 2008 by replacing Favre with Rodgers. Its too soon to make any lasting judgments, but so far, Rodgers compares favorably to Favre."

These statements totally contradict one another. And if it's too soon to make any lasting judgements, why is this assclown making lasting judgements? "Compares favorably to Favre". That, in itself, is ludicrous. Apples and Oranges. Favre has been in the Jets O system for 1 month, Rodgers has been learning the Packer's system for 3 years. Also, Favre is performing just as well as Rodgers for having been in a system for such a short time. That is a testament to how good Favre is, according to Steve Young. I can assure you, if the situation was reversed, AROD would not be performing as well in New York.

Also, last year, when someone praised BF for doing well, many were quick to state that it was really Mike McCarthy 's system that was the reason and not BF. Well, wouldn't it then be Mike McCarthy 's system for Aaron Rodgers as well?

"Its true the Packers bogged down in the red zone against the Cowboys and Rodgers was unable to elevate his team. But many quarterbacks will struggle against that same defensive buzz saw, as Favre did last season."

This statement is down right ridiculous. Again, last year is not this year, and Donovan McNabb put up 37 points against the Cowboys and almost won, and McNabb is no Favre!

"That Rodgers should be around for years to come only gives Thompson more evidence to defend his controversial offseason quarterback decision."

All the more reason as to why Ted Thompson should have brought back BF this year! Rodgers isn't going anywhere. He's only played 2 games against weak teams, and this assclown is crowning him already. The Packers had their best shot at going to the SB this year with BF. Aaron Rodgers is not the guy who is going to take you there past Dallas, Philly, or the NY Giants.

End of story.
Greg C.  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:18:06 PM(UTC)
Roddyboy, I will reply to each of your points:

1. It is not total opinion and conjecture. It is based on last year's game against the Cowboys, in which Favre made poor decisions and put the team into a big hole early with interceptions.

2. Last year has a lot to do with this year, considering that the Packers have returned 20 of 22 starters to the lineup. The Cowboys are also pretty much the same team as last year.

3. If the Packers brightest hopes may arrive in the coming years, that does not mean that they have thrown in the towel this season. They were right in the thick of things last year, and there's no reason to think they won't be again this year.

I partly agree with you on the comparisons between Rodgers and Favre this season. They are in different situations on very different teams. But the important comparison is Rodgers this year to Favre last year, and it is looking pretty close so far. Considering how close it is, I'll take the young guy over the old guy any day. His career is on an upward arc, and he really wants to be here, as opposed to Favre, who didn't even make up his mind until late June, and wasn't entirely convincing even when he said he wanted to return.
Cheesey  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:24:53 PM(UTC)
Give up Greg.....reason doesn't work with Roddy.

Hey Roddy....you blast what the guy wrote, 1. "The presence of Favre would have made little difference".
Saying:
"Total opinion and conjecture, and not even very educated."

Uh....isn't that what YOU have done in every post? You constantly say how Favre is the only way we can win this year, yet ALL it is is your opinion. Not one PROOF to anything you say. Also your blaming Ted Thompson for BF not being here anymore. I have yet to see you put any blame on BF for that.
You see, i look at everything objectively, then make a decision. You should try it some time. You might be surprised.
Roddyboy  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:26:23 PM(UTC)
Last year, BF wasn't even in the game for an entire half.

Also, if you recall, BF had many games last year that he came back in the 2nd half and won.

I don't think you can compare the two.

(Also, Mike McCarthy 's playcalling was alot different last year in that game.)
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:26:54 PM(UTC)
I think this is a decent read about Rodgers.
Cheesey  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:28:49 PM(UTC)
Yup....everythings different then last year.
So why do you keep comparing them???
There are also many games where BF threw INTS that cost us games.
That went on his whole career.
True....BF wasn't in the game a whole half last year. Yet got us in a deep hole by then.
Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:34:37 PM(UTC)
I dunno. I liked Brett a lot, still do. I like Rodgers and will grow to like him more and more, I think.

I really wish everyone would stop TRYING to compare them. They play a different style QB than the other and its impossible to compare them.

No matter how many ways you try to compare an apple to an orange, you will always look silly and wrong. So why do it?
Roddyboy  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:36:16 PM(UTC)
Yeah, right Cheesey...

(and Favre shouldn't be a first ballot HOF'er when he retires either, right?)

I'm sure you can think up alot of useless excuses and "reasons" that you think pose as facts to deny him.

Like, "He threw alot of interceptions". "He only won 1 SB"...and "He hasn't won another in 10 years"..

:lol:
Roddyboy  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:37:33 PM(UTC)
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I dunno. I liked Brett a lot, still do. I like Rodgers and will grow to like him more and more, I think.

I really wish everyone would stop TRYING to compare them. They play a different style QB than the other and its impossible to compare them.

No matter how many ways you try to compare an apple to an orange, you will always look silly and wrong. So why do it?


Zero. I hate to remind you of this.

But weren't you the guy who posted an article just a few minutes ago comparing BF and Aaron Rodgers ???
Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:47:28 PM(UTC)
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I dunno. I liked Brett a lot, still do. I like Rodgers and will grow to like him more and more, I think.

I really wish everyone would stop TRYING to compare them. They play a different style QB than the other and its impossible to compare them.

No matter how many ways you try to compare an apple to an orange, you will always look silly and wrong. So why do it?


Zero. I hate to remind you of this.

But weren't you the guy who posted an article just a few minutes ago comparing BF and Aaron Rodgers ???


I hate to remind you of this, but I could have sworn the article's title was about even a loss justifies faith in Aaron Rodgers.

If you don't have anything to add about Aaron Rodgers, go to the Brett Favre section and post some more love towards your guy.
brnt247  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:24:51 PM(UTC)
This team could only be worse with Favre at the helm right now. He wouldn't have beaten the Cowboys and the most he could do is win against both the Vikings and Lions. The Jets don't even have that bad of a team around Favre, so that really isn't an excuse. Favre has thrown plenty of awful passes this year and Aaron hasn't really thrown any.
gbpfan  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:55:09 PM(UTC)
i usually don't like to quibble i like brett and you may think the reporter is wrong in comparisons but you need to look at the whole picture first you need to get over that brett isnt here and move on,witch it seems youhave not,you make it sound like brett is the team brett had good players around him,then you talk mcnabb well he is a vet and a healthy one they always play each other same division kinda like when we play the bears,we have a good team and a-rod his showing us he can play the only thing he doesnt have right now is moxie and i think it is coming the guy will be a good q.b with a good o-line after all it is team not i
dhazer  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:26:53 PM(UTC)
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This article is total B.S. and filled with inaccuracies...

Now here is where I tear it to shreds.

1. "The presence of Favre would have made little difference".

Total opinion and conjecture, and not even very educated. Favre often was the deciding factor in Packer wins because he had the talent and the experience to improvise. He wasn't a "system QB", which is what Aaron Rodgers is.

2. Last year has nothing to do with this year.

3. "The Packers are the youngest team in the NFL. Their brightest Super Bowl hopes may well arrive in the coming years when those youthful players, including Rodgers, reach maturity.

That in no way implies the Packers have thrown in the towel on 2008 by replacing Favre with Rodgers. Its too soon to make any lasting judgments, but so far, Rodgers compares favorably to Favre."

These statements totally contradict one another. And if it's too soon to make any lasting judgements, why is this assclown making lasting judgements? "Compares favorably to Favre". That, in itself, is ludicrous. Apples and Oranges. Favre has been in the Jets O system for 1 month, Rodgers has been learning the Packer's system for 3 years. Also, Favre is performing just as well as Rodgers for having been in a system for such a short time. That is a testament to how good Favre is, according to Steve Young. I can assure you, if the situation was reversed, AROD would not be performing as well in New York.

Also, last year, when someone praised BF for doing well, many were quick to state that it was really Mike McCarthy 's system that was the reason and not BF. Well, wouldn't it then be Mike McCarthy 's system for Aaron Rodgers as well?

"Its true the Packers bogged down in the red zone against the Cowboys and Rodgers was unable to elevate his team. But many quarterbacks will struggle against that same defensive buzz saw, as Favre did last season."

This statement is down right ridiculous. Again, last year is not this year, and Donovan McNabb put up 37 points against the Cowboys and almost won, and McNabb is no Favre!

"That Rodgers should be around for years to come only gives Thompson more evidence to defend his controversial offseason quarterback decision."

All the more reason as to whyTed Thompsonshould have brought back BF this year! Rodgers isn't going anywhere. He's only played 2 games against weak teams, and this assclown is crowning him already. The Packers had their best shot at going to the SB this year with BF. Aaron Rodgers is not the guy who is going to take you there past Dallas, Philly, or the NY Giants.

End of story.



All i can say is amen brother my points exactly, just last week it was all praise for Rodgers and now a big game and a failure things have changed.
Greg C.  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:47:28 PM(UTC)
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All i can say is amen brother my points exactly, just last week it was all praise for Rodgers and now a big game and a failure things have changed.


Did you read the article?
WhiskeySam  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:59:03 PM(UTC)
Sorry, but I fail to see how getting beat by the Cowboys in any way validated Thompson's decision to go with Rodgers. They have nothing to do with each other. Nice to see VM conveniently ignore Favre has more TD passes in his comparison.
Zero2Cool  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:07:49 PM(UTC)
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Nice to see VM conveniently ignore Favre has more TD passes in his comparison.



:sigh:


Did Mike mention anything about Wins or interceptions?
Jacob  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:26:28 PM(UTC)
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Nice to see VM conveniently ignore Favre has more TD passes in his comparison.



:sigh:


Did Mike mention anything about Wins or interceptions?


Or how rodgers has 2 rushing TD's and favre has 0
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