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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:12:40 PM(UTC)

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GREEN BAY—One answer was obvious. The other was curious.

After one of this spring’s OTA practices, wide receiver Jordy Nelson was asked by a reporter which two statistics he thinks matter the most to his quarterback, Aaron Rodgers.

Nelson’s first thought was interceptions. No surprise there.

Rodgers has made it clear time and time again how much he loathes throwing the ball to the other team, and with just 32 interceptions in 2,070 pass attempts over the past four regular seasons, Rodgers’ minuscule 1.55 interception percentage ranks first in the league from 2009-12. Only Tom Brady, at 1.61, is even close to him.

Nelson’s second choice, however, wasn’t the expected touchdowns or passer rating or yards. It was completion percentage.

The way Nelson explained it, the two key stats go hand in hand.

“The rest comes with it,” Nelson said. “If you don’t turn the ball over, you get more opportunities. If your completion percentage is high, that means as receivers we’re doing our job, he’s putting the ball in the right spots, and again, it allows you to get more opportunities.

“The more opportunities you get, the more yards you get and the more touchdowns you’ll get, so I think it all starts with those two.”
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2013 5:27:07 PM(UTC)

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So, Rodgers is into stats?
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2013 6:14:07 PM(UTC)

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The man thinks he can make every throw.

He can't, but he comes incredibly close, especially in the context of the heat he is under.


If the rest of the schleppers in this organization did their jobs 1/2 as well as Aaron Rodgers does his... the line, the running backs, the defense, the coaches and Ted and co.


He just might get virtually all those throws he thinks he can make. He only needs about a third to a half of a of a second more than he gets now. Rodgers with one more half-second on average ... That would be something to see and admire in awe.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:01:43 PM(UTC)

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In 2011, Rodgers had 6 picks.

That is fairly impressive until you look deeper into it.

There is another stat that is a little more accurate.

It is on Football outsiders site.

It doesn't include INTs that went off the WRs hands or were desperation heaves like a hail Mary. It also includes passes that the defense dropped, that should have been INTs.

In 2011, of Rodgers' 6 picks, 2 of them went off the intended receiver. Including a potential TD that Finley had in his hands that would have won the KC game.

Rodgers was also very unlucky because in addition to the 4 bad passes he threw and the 2 that went off his WRs, the defenses dropped 0 of his passes.

In one entire year, Rodgers threw 4 bad passes for a 0.8% adjusted INT rate.

Last year, Andrew Luck threw 30 including 14 dropped INTs. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:23:39 PM(UTC)

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In 2011, Rodgers had 6 picks.

That is fairly impressive until you look deeper into it.

There is another stat that is a little more accurate.

It is on Football outsiders site.

It doesn't include INTs that went off the WRs hands or were desperation heaves like a hail Mary. It also includes passes that the defense dropped, that should have been INTs.

In 2011, of Rodgers' 6 picks, 2 of them went off the intended receiver. Including a potential TD that Finley had in his hands that would have won the KC game.

Rodgers was also very unlucky because in addition to the 4 bad passes he threw and the 2 that went off his WRs, the defenses dropped 0 of his passes.

In one entire year, Rodgers threw 4 bad passes for a 0.8% adjusted INT rate.

Last year, Andrew Luck threw 30 including 14 dropped INTs. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.


If you're good enough you don't need luck.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 8:05:22 AM(UTC)

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The Colts weren't really that good without any Luck!!! If completion percentage is that important to him Aaron should take more of those opportunities to short passes over the middle. That doesn't compute for me.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:02:47 AM(UTC)

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The Colts weren't really that good without any Luck!!! If completion percentage is that important to him Aaron should take more of those opportunities to short passes over the middle. That doesn't compute for me.


People also neglect to acknowledge that Andrew Luck was not the only new face in Indianapolis, that it was a new season. If we're going to blame Aaron for not dumping it off enough (since being possibly the best QB ever statistically isn't good enough) why are we giving Luck all the credit for Indy's turnaround?
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#8 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:32:13 AM(UTC)

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The Luck comments was just a play on words. But I believe nearly everybody would agree without him their record would have been about as bad as the year before. Certainly he didn't do it alone, no team ever does.

The Rodgers comment is in regards to the article, not Aaron. If completion percentage is that important, one would think he would take the shorter more open receiver to raise his completion percentage and cut down interception percentage even more-instead of throwing it downfield which he has tended to do. That's why the article's comments doesn't compute for me.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:16:21 PM(UTC)

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The Luck comments was just a play on words. But I believe nearly everybody would agree without him their record would have been about as bad as the year before. Certainly he didn't do it alone, no team ever does.


I would say that luck had more to do with it than Luck.

14 dropped INTs. With 30 total, they probably have the same record as last year.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:50:13 PM(UTC)

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I would say that luck had more to do with it than Luck.

14 dropped INTs. With 30 total, they probably have the same record as last year.


In fairness, dropped INTs could be the result of how hard the QB throws, or how strategically he throws. For example, Infante was big on delivering the ball low, so it would be harder to pick off than say, a ball that's tipped up in the air.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:58:38 PM(UTC)

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In fairness, dropped INTs could be the result of how hard the QB throws, or how strategically he throws. For example, Infante was big on delivering the ball low, so it would be harder to pick off than say, a ball that's tipped up in the air.


Luck still gave them 30 opportunities. He was the worst in the league.
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