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Online Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:25:05 PM(UTC)
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Green Bay Packers ( 11 - 5 )
  • Total Offense = 13th
  • Passing Offense = 9th
  • Rushing Offense = 20th

  • Total Defense = 11th
  • Passing Defense = 11th
  • Rushing Defense = 17th

  • Points For = 27.1 (5th)
  • Points Against = 21.0 (11th)



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San Francisco 49ers ( 11 - 4 - 1 )
  • Total Offense = 11th
  • Passing Offense = 23rd
  • Rushing Offense = 4th

  • Total Defense = 3rd
  • Passing Defense = 4th
  • Rushing Defense = 4th

  • Points For = 24.8 (11th)
  • Points Against = 17.1 (2nd)



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#2 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:27:12 AM(UTC)
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To be honest - Im a bit worried about our team:

Seems like we spent too much time this year testing out rookies or quarterbacks that cant cut it rather then getting our real players ready for this game (and the season).

San fran isnt going to be easy - and we get to play it over there again. Seriously are we ready ... for:
- that pass rush
- their rushing attack
- the QB option
- receivers davis etc

We pretty much knew who was going to play for our team at the start of preseason - yet we hardly played these guys.
Weather it was by choice or by injury - when it comes to game time; crying about injuries is not going to matter.

Finley is the only offensive weapon that I feel confident in - ok rodgers a bit but I havnt seen him out there much this preseason so really am not sure if he is ready.
lacey is new, starks has had to divide time up, cobb and nelson coming off injuries

I will say that our run defense looks decent this year ...

but is the above good enough to beat San Fran in San Fran? ...

what do you think?
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#3 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:31:57 AM(UTC)
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I think san fran played their starters less than we did
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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 6:05:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
To be honest - Im a bit worried about our team:

Seems like we spent too much time this year testing out rookies or quarterbacks that cant cut it rather then getting our real players ready for this game (and the season).

San fran isnt going to be easy - and we get to play it over there again. Seriously are we ready ... for:
- that pass rush
- their rushing attack
- the QB option
- receivers davis etc

We pretty much knew who was going to play for our team at the start of preseason - yet we hardly played these guys.
Weather it was by choice or by injury - when it comes to game time; crying about injuries is not going to matter.

Finley is the only offensive weapon that I feel confident in - ok rodgers a bit but I havnt seen him out there much this preseason so really am not sure if he is ready.
lacey is new, starks has had to divide time up, cobb and nelson coming off injuries

I will say that our run defense looks decent this year ...

but is the above good enough to beat San Fran in San Fran? ...

what do you think?


I think a lot of your worries stem from the fact that we play San Fran right out of the gate. I'm guessing you wouldn't be having these feelings if we started with the Jets or the Raiders.

I'm a bit concerned as well but I'm not sure I would say I am worried about them. You knew that players like Cobb and Nelson and Jones and Rodgers would not play much even if they were healthy. I'm not sure how you can say Finley is the only offensive weapon you fell confident in. To me that says your confidence comes from the preseason and not from prior seasons. If Jones' huge year last year, Nelson the year before, Cobb's emergence and Rodgers being touted by many as the best player in the game don't instill confidence in the passing game I don't know what to tell you. There is a reason you don't see players like Rodgers much in the preseason, they don't need the time. Did you really need to see significant playing time from these guys in pretend games to be confident about their abilities?

I'm not sure if we saw more testing of rookies (we did see a lot of it) than preparing our starters this preseason over past preseasons but when I see the rash of injuries throughout the league I think it will be the way things are going to be done in the future. It is just not worth the risk to the veterans to have them play in meaningless games.

Besides that we did have holes to fill on the OLine, Dline & Secondary. Its not enough to simply throw a whole lot of any old dirt in a hole. It has to be the right dirt. The Packers played a lot of players to make sure they got the right dirt to fill the holes. The other option would have been to pick the guys they thought were going to be the best and play the crap out of them. That may get them ready but it doesn't give you any information on any of the other guys just in case.

I'm not sure there is a team in the league that doesn't have similar concerns. While they may not have as many as the Packers they all have them.

I'm not sure if the Packers WILL beat the 49ers but I am confident that they CAN beat them (and not just in the "any given Sunday" context of beating them I mean legitimately beating them) and when you are talking about one of the elite teams in the league that's about all you can hope for. If you don't think this team can legitimately beat the 49ers you might as well pack in the season.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 6:11:08 AM(UTC)
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Played them last year in week 1 too, and it got us off to a bad start. Year before that, New Orleans, and it got us off to a good start. That game was a barn burner.

PREDICTION: This team will shit itself.

The team might recover from their bad mistake or two, a "lull" if you will and win, but Mike will NOT have this team ready. Until about week 10.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:12:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Played them last year in week 1 too, and it got us off to a bad start. Year before that, New Orleans, and it got us off to a good start. That game was a barn burner.

PREDICTION: This team will sh!t itself.

The team might recover from their bad mistake or two, a "lull" if you will and win, but Mike will NOT have this team ready. Until about week 10.


Im just imagining a rookie LT and a less then consistent rt tackle against that pass rush - not even sure how healthy our passing game is - I just want a healthy cobb nelson jones finley

I just hope the coaches burn into these rookies minds that we got trounced last year in the playoffs and its revenge time.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:56:40 AM(UTC)
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I predicted a win for this game and I'm sticking by that, though I won't be at all surprised if it is an "ugly" win. But it will be a win, because:

1. Rodgers will not get knocked out of the game in week one. I expect him to get hit a fair amount, and still lack confidence in this OL being good enough long term. But he'll last the first week.

2. Kaepernick will prove a non-factor. He might escape and run for a couple first downs, but that'll be it. Packers rush D will be stouter this year.

3. Pickett and Jolly will keep Frank Gore stuffed long enough for Rodgers to establish more than a touchdown lead, and therefore his number will be called less in the third and fourth quarter as SF plays catch-up.

What could keep it from being a win?

a. Frank Gore. This guy still doesn't get the respect he deserves, and I don't understand it. Even when the Packers have had a good run defense under McCarthy/Capers (which has been the case too seldom), it has taken a while to get established. It might not be there in week one against a hard-running back like Gore. Gore, not Kaepernick, is the guy that the Packers need to worry about most.

b. Boldin and Davis over the middle. Biggest weakness of the Packer defense last few years has been the mid-depth middle (8-20 yards out). If they haven't solved this problem Davis and Boldin will eat them up. And even if middle coverage has improved to where it should be, Boldin especially will make them pay for bad tackling technique.

c. Nnamdi Asomugha. Forget what he looked like with the dysfunctional Eagles. He's still got serious game, and if Rodgers goes his direction too often, he's going to get burned.

Prediction: Green Bay 30, San Francisco 20. Rodgers 3 TDs, 2 to Jones. Crosby 3-3 with a long of 56 to end the first half. Kaepernick, 27 yards gained rushing, 32 yards lost to 5 sacks, 1 fumble, 2 int. Matthews (2), Mulumba, D. Jones, Jolly with sacks; T. Williams and Francois with interceptions.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:03:31 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Played them last year in week 1 too, and it got us off to a bad start. Year before that, New Orleans, and it got us off to a good start. That game was a barn burner.

PREDICTION: This team will sh!t itself.

The team might recover from their bad mistake or two, a "lull" if you will and win, but Mike will NOT have this team ready. Until about week 10.


Normally, I'd agree with you. But I think this year will be different. I think this team comes out and pretty much dominates the 49ers. Rodgers will, alas, get hit too often. But his arm and legs will be fresh enough to overcome those hits in week one. He will come out looking pinpoint-laser sharp. And the defense will come out with attitude, shut down Kaepernick and keep Gore just enough in check.

The Packers still have some problems (that OL, no good backup QB, will they be able to stop the run consistently, will they be able to cover the middle of the field better, will they tackle better, uncertainty at kicker), but IMO those problems won't show up in week one.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 9:21:06 AM(UTC)
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I'm just gonna enjoy the fact that unlike last year,

REAL FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!

Win or lose this is just 1 of 16 and I'm glad that I will be able to watch and root on the 53 men chosen by Ted and Mike as they give their all for The Green and Gold!!!!

1 week!!!!

LET'S GO PACK!!!!

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#10 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 10:38:15 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
Seems like we spent too much time this year testing out rookies or quarterbacks that cant cut it rather then getting our real players ready for this game (and the season).


What better way to test them hader practice than what they'll see in a game?

While they might not be able to match the 49ers starters, they had Rodgers, Cobb and Nelson off the field and told them to try to move the ball.... that MIGHT be harder to do, than trying to move the ball on the 49ers WITH Rodgers Cobb and Nelson.

I used to love it when the Packers played Jeff Fisher's team in the last perseason game. The Packers like most teams would mainly be playing their back-ups that game. Not Fisher's team... they played the starters mostly in the last perseason game.

So we got to see back-ups get VERY hard practice as they went up against starters of another team for over 2 quarters. He was great to see which back-ups could step it up and which couldn't.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:30:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wade Go to Quoted Post
I predicted a win for this game and I'm sticking by that, though I won't be at all surprised if it is an "ugly" win. But it will be a win, because:

Prediction: Green Bay 30, San Francisco 20. Rodgers 3 TDs, 2 to Jones. Crosby 3-3 with a long of 56 to end the first half. Kaepernick, 27 yards gained rushing, 32 yards lost to 5 sacks, 1 fumble, 2 int. Matthews (2), Mulumba, D. Jones, Jolly with sacks; T. Williams and Francois with interceptions.


If everyone is OK with it I move that we put Wade's scenario in the book, count it as a win and bring on RGIII. Anyone care to second the motion.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 11:48:06 AM(UTC)
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First, hey Buckeyepackfan, I showed your
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with the jersey/cheesehead to my wife and it made
her smile BIG!

Now, onto the game. We haven't really seen
the Packers offense yet, so it's really hard
to know just how we will do.
But the 49's scare me. If we don't do alot
better defensively then we did last year
against them, it could be a long day.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 12:38:12 PM(UTC)
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Im just imagining a rookie LT and a less then consistent rt tackle against that pass rush


I'm less worried about the line than the running backs who will be responsible for blitz pickup. Also, I think the threat of a running game will help the line out.

Overall, to me it doesn't make sense to have played Rodgers more in the preseason. Every time he was in the offense clicked down the field like clockwork.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:11:37 PM(UTC)
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The middle of the field is still a work in progress on D. I think we stay competitive in this one longer than the playoff game but see them beating us in the end. I think this game will provide a good jump start even with a loss because I believe players will step up and show they are for real. I don't predict a large loss. 4 points SF 28 GB 24
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#15 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:16:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: olds70supreme Go to Quoted Post

Overall, to me it doesn't make sense to have played Rodgers more in the preseason. Every time he was in the offense clicked down the field like clockwork.


hmm Rodgers threw 0 TDs during the preseason and didn't even play the 4th game.

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#16 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:46:42 PM(UTC)
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hmm Rodgers threw 0 TDs during the preseason and didn't even play the 4th game.


The way I see it is that he moved the offense well when he played. He was on time and accurate with his throws. There is no reason to believe that he will suddenly lose his accuracy, timing, or decision making when in the red zone, both from this year's preseason and his body of work thus far in his career. Just because he didn't throw a TD in a very limited sample size, in preseason where wins/losses don't matter, without all of the starting cast surrounding him, doesn't indicate to me that he will suddenly plummet from the level of performance of years past.

Lots of people are so fond of declaring that preseason games don't mean anything, bla bla bla, etc. etc, but then turn around and attach so much importance to details.

I was watching a segment on FoxSports1 where the two goons talking predicted the Pack would take 3rd in the NFC North. One of the reasons stated was that Rodgers hadn't played enough in preseason.
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#17 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 2:47:45 PM(UTC)
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I don't know why people are saying we are worse than last year. YES I HEARD IT FROM FANS!

I think it's fucking crazy...

I mean we still have the best QB in the league.

Our running backs are better than last year. Other than cutting Green. (which didn't make sense in my mind but whatever)

Finley looks to be more focused in his game. We get Quarless back which adds more blocking power. He may be our best all around TE. I still think it's Finley though. We "may" have a second or third weapon in Bostick.

We still have 3 GREAT WRs. We did not lose much in Greg Jennings, who didn't play much at all last year. I think Boykin has took a step up this year.

I actually think our O-Line is better. ONLY by a little bit. Bakhtiari is better playing LT than Newhouse. Sitton on the left side is more helpful than some think. EDS is a improvement over Jeff Saturday too.

D-Line is a HELL OF A LOT BETTER than last year. The presence of Jolly and Datone Jones will have a huge impact. C.J. Wilson is playing better. Daniels is a monster speedy pass rusher, Pickett looks to be still a great run defender. Raji is playing for a contract.. I mean this is the best depth we had here since we've been in the 3-4 defense.

The Middle linebackers look athletic. I love that Brad Jones is starting, A.J. Hawk still looks solid. Francois looks like a legit backup. Barrington is our future starting LB. Only thing I didn't like is that they got rid of Manning. But I think should give Lattimore a little more credit than I gave him this preseason. Plus he's a good special teamer.

Outside linebacker is immediately improved with Perry. May not be the best play maker, but the guy is sure a hell of a good run defender. He will get better rushing the passer as the season progresses. (only played 6 games last year) Matthews is one of the best pass rushers in the league.. Neal, Palmer, and Mulumba, are instant upgrade backups rather than Moses/Walden. Neal can really rush the passer from anywhere on the field. I hope they use him a lot this year..

CB has the best depth out of any position on the team. With the Addition of Hyde, it made our team that much more dynamic. Any Corner we have on this team is 'capable' of starting. I really like this group a lot.

And Saftey. It is probably the weakest position on the team. I hope they choose McMillian to start.. That would be a upgrade over Jennings starting along Burnett.

I just see us having good shot at beating them this time around.. I bet we can hold Gore under 50 yards. We just have to keep Kaeperdick in the pocket and we'll be golden. Also WE HAVE TO BE BALANCED NO MATTER WHAT! We can win this game guys. 31-17 Packers!
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#18 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 4:59:13 PM(UTC)
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Our defense is definitely better this year. I'm excited to see the D.
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#19 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:44:59 PM(UTC)
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I think this may be a trap game for the 49'ers as they look past us to their game against the Hawks week 2.
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#20 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 5:51:48 PM(UTC)
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I think this may be a trap game for the 49'ers as they look past us to their game against the Hawks week 2.


Excellent point
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#21 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 6:55:23 PM(UTC)
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A lot of the 49er fans are underestimating us from what I've been reading on some forums. I think we are a better, healthier team than the team that played in last years playoff game. I believe we will go into that game with more focus and play with more fire while they will overlook us. I honestly feel that we can beat them and we should but I won't feel bad or be surprised if we lose. They are a tough team. Just as long as we don't get owned like last year. As long as that doesn't happen then it's a win no matter what because it shows that we have definitely improved. I still see us going 12-4 in the season so if this game comes as a loss it's not that big of a deal.
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#22 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:01:21 PM(UTC)
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I may be wrong, and I often am with my convictions as well as opinions...

However. I love a week one road game. Especially against a team that is suppose to be a powerhouse and one of your toughest tests in the season.

IMHO a week ONE road game does not present the challenges a week TWO or any other week road game presents because there is a short time to prepare a game plan, practice and prepare due to the travel time.

Week one on the road is a team building road trip with all the time in the world to prep, plan, and prepare. What a great way to start the season. Especially against a team that is suppose to be a contender and a tough nut to crack on the schedule.

In other words if you are going to have the 49ers on the schedule and the game is being played on the West Coast in S.F. I feel it is best to have them on WEEK ONE then any other week in the season.

Packers - 30 49ers - 24

Book it.



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#23 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:32:54 PM(UTC)
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It will be a good test of our new defense. I expect it to be significantly improved.

It's also early in the season, so we won't be as depleted from injuries as we were in the playoffs last year.

This is the game in which we will find out if Mike Neal at OLB is the real thing.
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#24 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:36:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It will be a good test of our new defense. I expect it to be significantly improved.

It's also early in the season, so we won't be as depleted from injuries as we were in the playoffs last year.

This is the game in which we will find out if Mike Neal at OLB is the real thing.


Plus the Defence (Yes it is spelled with a "C") now has Scott Tolzien to learn from this week.
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#25 Posted : Sunday, September 1, 2013 7:54:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: olds70supreme Go to Quoted Post
The way I see it is that he moved the offense well when he played. He was on time and accurate with his throws. There is no reason to believe that he will suddenly lose his accuracy, timing, or decision making when in the red zone, both from this year's preseason and his body of work thus far in his career. Just because he didn't throw a TD in a very limited sample size, in preseason where wins/losses don't matter, without all of the starting cast surrounding him, doesn't indicate to me that he will suddenly plummet from the level of performance of years past.

Lots of people are so fond of declaring that preseason games don't mean anything, bla bla bla, etc. etc, but then turn around and attach so much importance to details.

I was watching a segment on FoxSports1 where the two goons talking predicted the Pack would take 3rd in the NFC North. One of the reasons stated was that Rodgers hadn't played enough in preseason.


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