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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 5:56:45 AM(UTC)

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Michael David Smith said:
The Packers have been at or near the top of the NFL for four years running, and there's every reason to believe that they'll remain at or near the top of the NFL this year. That's the ultimate takeaway from our preseason look at the Packers: They're the clear favorites to win the NFC North...
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#2 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 7:56:14 AM(UTC)

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7 teams better than the Packers? NO WAY!!

Honestly, I can't see even one team that should rank ahead of the Packers, but I suppose you gotta put the Niners up there until we knock them off. Who else is even close? Ravens? Come On! Seattle? One illegitimate win at their place doesn't cut it.

Bottom line is the Packers were top 5, maybe top 3 last year, and they should be much improved this year.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 8:45:04 AM(UTC)

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My post on PFT: "I am not sure why people keep using the term “terrible defense” when the were riddled with injuries last year and STILL finished 11th. Although the difference in the quality of the teams in the top 10 in minimal, I would still rank them ahead of most of the rest. Atlanta has no pas rush and a poor secondary, Seattle’s pass rush will be weak this year and they STILL don’t have a good receiving corps, Cincinnati doesn’t have much of a running game, has only an above average QB and only 1 outside weapon. NE’s OL is suspect as is their receiving corps and secondary and their pass rush is average. I would rank only SF, Den and Balt higher."

The Ravens O-Line will not be as good but their defense will be better. While they will miss Boldin, they will have their OC for the whole offseason/season this year so I expect them to be very good again. They and SF are the only teams on the schedule that really worry me and if I am not mistaken, we get Baltimore at home this year.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:52:50 PM(UTC)

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My post on PFT: "I am not sure why people keep using the term “terrible defense” when the were riddled with injuries last year and STILL finished 11th. Although the difference in the quality of the teams in the top 10 in minimal, I would still rank them ahead of most of the rest. Atlanta has no pas rush and a poor secondary, Seattle’s pass rush will be weak this year and they STILL don’t have a good receiving corps, Cincinnati doesn’t have much of a running game, has only an above average QB and only 1 outside weapon. NE’s OL is suspect as is their receiving corps and secondary and their pass rush is average. I would rank only SF, Den and Balt higher."

The Ravens O-Line will not be as good but their defense will be better. While they will miss Boldin, they will have their OC for the whole offseason/season this year so I expect them to be very good again. They and SF are the only teams on the schedule that really worry me and if I am not mistaken, we get Baltimore at home this year.


We had injuries, plus the defense is repeatedly hung out to dry by the offensive offensive philosophy.

And I agree. We have to prove we can beat the Niners, but none of these other teams even scare me. Can't wait to break Seattle down like we did the Falcons in the '10 playoffs.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 1:09:54 PM(UTC)

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8 seems about right for me. We have a huge question mark with the offensive line, counting on rookie running backs, still no proven answer at the second OLB position and our inside linebackers are mediocre at best. Yes, we do have the best player in the NFL and a very good receiving corps, but there is a lot more to winning football games.

Besides, I like being the underdog, it makes winning that much sweeter.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 2:32:15 PM(UTC)

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I had posted on PFT but it appears to have been removed.

Anyhow, I had noted my surprise that the OL swap of RT to LT and RG to LG weren't mentioned as I think that's the biggest difference from 2012 to 2013. I think that decision will make or break the Packers this season.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:24:33 PM(UTC)

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Off the top of my head I would put the Packers third in the NFC.
1. 49ers
2. Seahawks
3. Packers.

That doesn't mean that's how I think it will finish up. But that's how I see it to start things off.
There is NO WAY in hell I would put the Falcons ahead of the Pack though.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:42:01 PM(UTC)

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I bet Aaron uses this for motivation!
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#9 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 12:35:25 AM(UTC)

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My post on PFT: "I am not sure why people keep using the term “terrible defense” when the were riddled with injuries last year and STILL finished 11th.


Because the Packers offense and QB combine to make such interest that the defense gets over shadowed and therefore over looked.

Another example would be the Packers last to Super Bowl victory runs, I believe they were ranked #1 one of those years and #2 the other, yet the offenses gets a lot more of the credit for what ever the reason.

QBs often get teams into the playoffs, but defenses are the ones who win the Championships.
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#10 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 7:30:38 AM(UTC)

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Bengals came in at number 6.
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#11 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 9:29:39 AM(UTC)

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Bengals came in at number 6.


LOL, the Packers at #8 is a joke. Behind the Bengals? REALLY?? I have no doubt this was simply meant to create some controversy around PFT's article in hopes of attracting more viewers. No intelligent person could actually believe that. Worse-case scenario, they need to be a couple spots higher, and more than likely in the top 5. The Packers defense will be better, and the offense will be one of the best in the league again. So long as the Packers stay relatively healthy, they will be tough to beat for any team, even the 49'ers. The Seahawks are definitely over rated, imo, and I think that will show this season.

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#12 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 9:35:16 AM(UTC)

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Because the Packers offense and QB combine to make such interest that the defense gets over shadowed and therefore over looked.

Another example would be the Packers last to Super Bowl victory runs, I believe they were ranked #1 one of those years and #2 the other, yet the offenses gets a lot more of the credit for what ever the reason.

QBs often get teams into the playoffs, but defenses are the ones who win the Championships.


Actually, I think Florio mentions (or maybe it was on CBS) that the lasting memory people have of the Packers defense was their getting torched on national TV in the playoffs. Yet there is still all this acclaim for the 49ers, who gave up 34 in their last game, and perhaps would have given up more without the extra half hour break to stop the Ravens' momentum.

Obviously there is more to ranking a defense than just yards allowed, and I would certainly like to see them play better, but the defense (11) actually ranked higher than the offense (13) last year. I feel a lot better about both because of what I feel will be a vastly improved running game this year, but the genral public tends to get their impression of how good a team is on O or D based on how often its stars get featured on ESPN. The Ravens' defense sucked last year, and there is a lot of hand wringing about how many guys they lost, bur I am guessing they will be much better this year.
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#13 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 9:52:58 AM(UTC)

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The Ravens' defense sucked last year, and there is a lot of hand wringing about how many guys they lost, bur I am guessing they will be much better this year.


There was a lot of talking about the guys they lost. However, they plugged a few holes with some decent free agents signings and draft picks, so the talking heads on NFL Network generally seem to think their defense will be much better than last year, as a result. In addition to, of course, getting a few guys healthy. They likely can't be much worse than the slow unit they fielded for most of the Super Bowl game, anyway. They came into the Super Bowl with a great game plan, but the 49'ers definitely adjusted in the 2nd half, and were almost looking unstoppable, at times. Fortunately, the Ravens pulled it off.

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#14 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2013 9:55:58 AM(UTC)

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Not sure why we are below the Patriots, but otherwise I am good with this. More to proof.
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