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MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:09:22 PM(UTC)
Rob Demovsky said:
The Packers evened their preseason record at 1-1 with a 19-7 victory at St. Louis on Saturday. Here's a rundown of the night:

Aaron Rodgers played three series and looked sharp despite failing to get into the end zone. He completed 10-of-12 passes for 134 yards and a rating of 113.2, but the starting offense struggled on third downs. A holding penalty on tight end Jermichael Finley on third-and-1 from the Rams' 13-yard line wiped out a 7-yard run by Eddie Lacy on the first series.
hardrocker950  
#2 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:41:40 PM(UTC)
This team looked more lively tonight in all phases of the game. Lacy had a good showing - much better than what I am used to see coming out of our backfield. Although I was disappointed that the starting offense didn't get into the end zone, at least the plays developed fast which is what I have been wanting to see more of. Good mix of rushing and passing.

Defense looked stronger tonight. Pass coverage was suspect at times, but the secondary did come up with some promising moments. Jolly is looking more like his old self again, and that pick was a nice touch. Welcome back Johnny! Hyde was a mixed bag of good and bad; jury is still out on his coverage skills.

I believe most of the mistakes and such can be sorted out - not too many disasters on the field tonight. Let's see some killer football for the next preseason game!
Mr_Bumpy  
#3 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:20:50 PM(UTC)
hardrocker950 said: Go to Quoted Post
Hyde was a mixed bag of good and bad...

Maybe he has a little Jekyll in him.
steveishere  
#4 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:25:33 AM(UTC)
1. Jolly looked great now lets see him get some snaps with the 1s

2. Bakhtiari gave up a sack and on 3rd down but otherwise shut down a very capable pass rusher on a very pro-pass rusher playing surface

3. The offense moves much smoother when Barclay is RT instead of Newhouse, that competition should be over.

4. I don't think I need to say much about Lacy, you don't often get to see someone that big who has moves like that. If he stays healthy enough we are in for a treat this season.

5. I think it's time for Barrington to get some snaps earlier in the game than the 4th quarter, he's always around the ball.

6. Hyde looked good minus the 1 play but so did House. It looks to me like the Hyde is more of the slot/ss type he's out there making plays in all phases, it could be beneficial to keep him near the LOS.

7. All offensive line units looked pretty good. The back up QBs for the most part had time to make throws. That's a massive change from last season.

8. I was skeptical of the Mulumba hype but I think he's earned some snaps against tougher competition along with Barrington and Jolly.

9. The Safeties haven't really been making much noise but that isn't necessarily always a bad thing.

10. The back up TE competition got more interesting. Williams was unimpressive and Taylor/Quarless were sitting out while Bostic and Stoneburner made some nice plays.
steveishere  
#5 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 12:46:39 AM(UTC)
Forgot to add: Green vs Starks:

Green - He just doesn't seem to have that good of vision. When he makes the right decision he looks like a legit running back the guy has some good moves and quickness but he goes down too easy and he runs right into people too often. He looks better than Starks at pass blocking and I'm pretty sure he was decent at it last year during the season.

Starks - When he gets behind his pads and lowers the boom he's a beast but he doesn't always do that and he's still making too many mistakes. That miss in pass pro was pathetic, a perfect opportunity to go smash a guy and protect your QB and he just went at it passively and looked horrible completely whiffing and pretty much ruining the play. (maybe he's having bad effects from being sick the other day, I don't know)

If it comes down to a roster spot between these 2 I just don't know who should get it. Starks seems like the better runner able to pound a few yards and get a first down but is more inconsistent and unreliable. Green seems more like a line calibrator where if you block well enough he'll get what's there but won't likely get you any extra yards. I lean towards Green just because as a back up I would prefer a more reliable guy who is a better pass blocker. Starks has been at this too long to still be making mistakes all the time.
buckeyepackfan  
#6 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 5:28:11 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
Forgot to add: Green vs Starks:

Green - He just doesn't seem to have that good of vision. When he makes the right decision he looks like a legit running back the guy has some good moves and quickness but he goes down too easy and he runs right into people too often. He looks better than Starks at pass blocking and I'm pretty sure he was decent at it last year during the season.

Starks - When he gets behind his pads and lowers the boom he's a beast but he doesn't always do that and he's still making too many mistakes. That miss in pass pro was pathetic, a perfect opportunity to go smash a guy and protect your QB and he just went at it passively and looked horrible completely whiffing and pretty much ruining the play. (maybe he's having bad effects from being sick the other day, I don't know)

If it comes down to a roster spot between these 2 I just don't know who should get it. Starks seems like the better runner able to pound a few yards and get a first down but is more inconsistent and unreliable. Green seems more like a line calibrator where if you block well enough he'll get what's there but won't likely get you any extra yards. I lean towards Green just because as a back up I would prefer a more reliable guy who is a better pass blocker. Starks has been at this too long to still be making mistakes all the time.


Good evaluation Steve, I'm thinking Ted will hold on to both Starks and Green as long as possible in the hopes another team developes a RB need and Ted can swing a trade. Most teams will wait for final cutdowns, but there just might be that team out there that needs RB's

I had both making the team, along with Lacy,Franklin and Harris, but with the emergence of players at other positions, I"m thinking both Green and Starks will be gone, either cut or traded.

Packers will go with Lacy, Franklin, Harris and Kuhn, with Pease getting one more shot on the PS.
play2win  
#7 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 7:39:16 AM(UTC)
I'm liking Pease better than either of Starks or Green.

Yeah, good review steveishere. I was incredibly impressed by 5 players:

Micah Hyde
Johnny Jolly
Eddie Lacy
Jermichael Finley
David Bakhtiari

Every one of these players proved their worth as valuable starters, and effective players.

I was incredibly disappointed by the play of Moses. He looked as lost out there as House looked v. AZ. Wow, really poor tackling, pursuit, angles, coverage. He had a really bad night.

DJ Williams looks ineffective as both a blocker and as a receiver.

Other than that, the team performed pretty well. I thought some of the run blocking by EDS and the whole right side of our line was a little suspect.

Andy Mulumba looks like he has enormous potential. He makes plays. Imagine what he will look like a year or two from now with further development.

Jarrett Bush stays on this Packers team. Any questions about that had to be eliminated with his sound play last night.

Good to see the Packers respond, against what I considered to be a tougher opponent than last week.
DarkaneRules  
#8 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 10:53:20 AM(UTC)
I want to give stock down to Daniels by the way.

In the plays I saw, he was essentially stalemate in every one on one match up. I expect more from him.
play2win  
#9 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:20:52 AM(UTC)
Absolutely! Daniels looks great - and is looking like a model for draft & develop.

I have to amend my last - as I only watched about a half from last night. Moses did get some nice pressure in the 2nd half on the QB.

Must add Sam Barrington and Patrick Lewis to the list of those who really impressed. Barrington is the real deal. He could start. He's playing that well. That guy lays the wood man! Blitzing the QB or making a stop, I love to see his tough style of play.

Patrick Lewis played quite a lot, maybe more than a half, both at LG and at C, and he looked really good. Made a couple mistakes, but its only preseason game 2, and he looks very confident.

I've yet to see anything great from Palmer.

Also, Robert Francois, I thought coming in he would struggle for a position, but all the guy has been doing is making plays. Hats off to him - he has done very, very well.

Andy Mulumba, what a find. His play has been outstanding. Had to mention him again. He teamed with Jolly for a great sack. And Mike Daniels, the dude looks like a bigger, badass bulldog. Certainly stronger than last year. Short, but very stout.

Oh, yeah, Micah Hyde, mention again!!!! Another draft day STEAL! Holy shit!
DarkaneRules  
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2013 11:26:06 AM(UTC)
Stock down to Lattimore and Palmer. I agree with you Barrington is the real deal and last night he took the place of Lattimore on my depth chart.

Mulumba is a better motor than Moses and replaced him last night for me in depth terms. I liked Francois when I saw him too. Good call there.
Dulak  
#11 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 3:39:37 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm liking Pease better than either of Starks or Green.

Yeah, good review steveishere. I was incredibly impressed by 5 players:

Micah Hyde
Johnny Jolly
Eddie Lacy
Jermichael Finley
David Bakhtiari

Every one of these players proved their worth as valuable starters, and effective players.

I was incredibly disappointed by the play of Moses. He looked as lost out there as House looked v. AZ. Wow, really poor tackling, pursuit, angles, coverage. He had a really bad night.

DJ Williams looks ineffective as both a blocker and as a receiver.

Other than that, the team performed pretty well. I thought some of the run blocking by EDS and the whole right side of our line was a little suspect.

Andy Mulumba looks like he has enormous potential. He makes plays. Imagine what he will look like a year or two from now with further development.

Jarrett Bush stays on this Packers team. Any questions about that had to be eliminated with his sound play last night.

Good to see the Packers respond, against what I considered to be a tougher opponent than last week.


I agree with your above picks - was just going to ad; IMO smith lost his job ... burnt on the TD and touched the ball with that kick and turned it over ...

Jolly is pretty close to securing his job IMO; finley - nice plays from him! and lacy a gimmie - cant wait to see him in real games ... hyde looked decent ya ...
IMO coleman did better then Harrell but I can see coleman's jitters (throwing too quickly and too fast); vince on the other hand throws too slow and telegraphs his throws too much.

Im liking that bosnick TE thou decent -

IMO WR is going to be the toughest to decide - gilent looked good and hines looked decent ...






Gaycandybacon  
#12 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 7:24:37 AM(UTC)
Palmer got after the Passer a couple times if I remember correctly.
LambeauEast  
#13 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 7:49:01 AM(UTC)
Every season I think D.J. Williams is going to come into his own and rise up, but he just never seems to do so.

Micah Hyde....what a steal! Yeah, he got burnt on that deep ball, but adjusted nicely thereafter. I think he even had a tackle for a loss, or close to it...he can get up in there!

Lacy, what can you say. The thought of a running facet to this offense makes me just giddy, and hopefully Lacy will continue to be a big part of it. Anxious to see the Lacy-Harris combo.

The Barclay-Newhouse experiment should be over. The job is Barclay's imo.
Dulak  
#14 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 9:16:57 AM(UTC)
LambeauEast said: Go to Quoted Post
Every season I think D.J. Williams is going to come into his own and rise up, but he just never seems to do so.

Micah Hyde....what a steal! Yeah, he got burnt on that deep ball, but adjusted nicely thereafter. I think he even had a tackle for a loss, or close to it...he can get up in there!

Lacy, what can you say. The thought of a running facet to this offense makes me just giddy, and hopefully Lacy will continue to be a big part of it. Anxious to see the Lacy-Harris combo.

The Barclay-Newhouse experiment should be over. The job is Barclay's imo.


I couldn't really tell how Barclay did ... so he did well? ... as compared to newhouse?
DarkaneRules  
#15 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 10:31:12 AM(UTC)
Hyde is a future pro-bowl slot defender I think.
DarkaneRules  
#16 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 10:33:21 AM(UTC)
LambeauEast said: Go to Quoted Post
Every season I think D.J. Williams is going to come into his own and rise up, but he just never seems to do so.

Micah Hyde....what a steal! Yeah, he got burnt on that deep ball, but adjusted nicely thereafter. I think he even had a tackle for a loss, or close to it...he can get up in there!

Lacy, what can you say. The thought of a running facet to this offense makes me just giddy, and hopefully Lacy will continue to be a big part of it. Anxious to see the Lacy-Harris combo.

The Barclay-Newhouse experiment should be over. The job is Barclay's imo.


Barclay won the job during the game. Newhouse will swing backup both LT and RT I presume.
olds70supreme  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:04:40 AM(UTC)
How did House bounce back from the Cardinals game? I haven't seen a lot of chatter about DB depth, I feel like we have a lot of promising guys that are at very similar levels of development and talent.
play2win  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:07:42 AM(UTC)
olds70supreme said: Go to Quoted Post
How did House bounce back from the Cardinals game? I haven't seen a lot of chatter about DB depth, I feel like we have a lot of promising guys that are at very similar levels of development and talent.


olds, House played a very solid game. Bounced back nicely. With Hayward coming back, and Micah Hyde looking to be in his 5th season as a starter, I think our DB depth is better than any one of us might have expected. Who knew on draft day what a talented and poised player Micah Hyde would turn out to be? Granted, we are two games into the preseason, but the game just does not look to big for him. He even made a really nice punt return, solid and confident.

I'll add Chris Banjo at Safety as another promising DB. steveishere was raving about his play in the AZ game, and I didn't even know we had a Banjo... I looked more closely at that game and he was right. Banjo followed that up with another solid performance v. STL. He's not tall, at all, but he's solid and plays solid at S. He might stick. I kind of like his play better than MD Jennings. McMillian had a stinker v. AZ, then followed up with a more stout performance v. STL.

We've got another UDFA in Brandon Smith who has all the measurables you want in a corner, but he is really looking raw and did not play well v. STL. Maybe he makes the PS.

All in all, that secondary is starting to look really solid.
PackerTraxx  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:35:36 AM(UTC)
It was good to see House come back, hopefully he keeps getting healthier and improving. Banjo is fun to watch, gives 100%, !00% of the the time it seems and he flies around. Was looking for a big jump from McMillian this year, maybe it's still coming. If Smith can develop what a bonus that would be, great measurable, good PS candidate. Barclay seems to be stepping up, let's keep it going. Bakhtiati is a real blessing, I'm just paranoid about when the real bullets start flying. I think the offense has looked really, really good when you consider neither our 1 and 2 receivers have not even played. Looking forward to see how players look in the Seattle game. Third game teams usually want to be getting things together pretty much. That should be a pretty stiff test yet.
steveishere  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:40:25 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
olds, House played a very solid game. Bounced back nicely. With Hayward coming back, and Micah Hyde looking to be in his 5th season as a starter, I think our DB depth is better than any one of us might have expected. Who knew on draft day what a talented and poised player Micah Hyde would turn out to be? Granted, we are two games into the preseason, but the game just does not look to big for him. He even made a really nice punt return, solid and confident.

I'll add Chris Banjo at Safety as another promising DB. steveishere was raving about his play in the AZ game, and I didn't even know we had a Banjo... I looked more closely at that game and he was right. Banjo followed that up with another solid performance v. STL. He's not tall, at all, but he's solid and plays solid at S. He might stick. I kind of like his play better than MD Jennings. McMillian had a stinker v. AZ, then followed up with a more stout performance v. STL.

We've got another UDFA in Brandon Smith who has all the measurables you want in a corner, but he is really looking raw and did not play well v. STL. Maybe he makes the PS.

All in all, that secondary is starting to look really solid.


Holy shit dude just stop lol. I said "he didn't suck" that's it.
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