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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 6:10:58 PM(UTC)
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There are arguably eight defensive linemen worth keeping on the Packers roster this season, but can they really afford to keep both Jolly and Boyd around?



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But it’s extremely difficult to see the Packers keep any more than seven defensive linemen on their roster this season, and even seven would seem to be pushing the limit for a team that––more often than not––utilizes only two defensive linemen on the field at any one time.

Green Bay would appear to have six defensive linemen that are near locks for roster spots. First round draft choice Datone Jones is obviously one of them. Veterans B.J. Raji and Ryan Pickett are also set in stone.

Beyond the top three, C.J. Wilson, Mike Neal and Mike Daniels are all good bets to be part of the defensive line rotation. That leaves Jolly and Boyd competing for a seventh spot on the Packers defensive line.
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#2 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 6:19:14 PM(UTC)
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Jolly makes the team and Boyd the PS. Whether they can KEEP Boyd is another matter.
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#3 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 6:29:03 PM(UTC)
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Imo it's Wilson vs Boyd. I have a hard time seeing us cutting Jolly by the way he's been playing.
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#4 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 7:41:08 PM(UTC)
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I would not be surprised to see Neal cut. We keep both Jolly and Boyd. Neal was an experiment that just is not panning out IMO. He is the most expendable of our DL group listed there. We keep 7.
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#5 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 8:37:02 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
I would not be surprised to see Neal cut. We keep both Jolly and Boyd. Neal was an experiment that just is not panning out IMO. He is the most expendable of our DL group listed there. We keep 7.


This could be more possible than people realize.

Hard to say what the coaches are thinking, but a number of people in the know have suggested it.
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#6 Posted : Monday, August 19, 2013 8:47:05 PM(UTC)
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I don't see Neal getting cut unless he gets injured. He's still a decent DL pass rusher which we need and they've got him working with the 2s at OLB. I can't really say he's looked worse than Moses and Palmer so I see him working with the 2s there as legit.

Heck I would rather have Neal as a back up OLB and cut Moses and/or Palmer than cut Boyd, Jolly, or Wilson.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:28:13 AM(UTC)
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:12:51 AM(UTC)
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TT going to earn his money this year...hope he makes the right decisions. This year has to be some of the toughest cuts since he's been here.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:24:20 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
I don't see Neal getting cut unless he gets injured. He's still a decent DL pass rusher which we need and they've got him working with the 2s at OLB. I can't really say he's looked worse than Moses and Palmer so I see him working with the 2s there as legit.

Heck I would rather have Neal as a back up OLB and cut Moses and/or Palmer than cut Boyd, Jolly, or Wilson.


That's entirely possible. Maybe they are really serious about Neal at LB and give him 6-8 games or so to work into a role there. I just wonder about his lower weight and what that may do to his effectiveness on the DL. I also wonder if the talent we have added on both the DL and at LB may be eclipsing that of Neal, making him a potential odd man out.

I've got nothing against him other than his rather low production and low availability since being drafted, for whatever reason, injury/suspension. I thought he showed improvement last season, but it was nothing consistent, nor anything that impacted big games for us down the stretch.

I'm just wondering what their real plan is for him. I'd rather keep both Wilson and Boyd. Jolly is a lock. 8 DL seems like overkill, but maybe their plans for him at LB are more involved...?
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:27:14 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
That's entirely possible. Maybe they are really serious about Neal at LB and give him 6-8 games or so to work into a role there. I just wonder about his lower weight and what that may do to his effectiveness on the DL. I also wonder if the talent we have added on both the DL and at LB may be eclipsing that of Neal, making him a potential odd man out.

I've got nothing against him other than his rather low production and low availability since being drafted, for whatever reason, injury/suspension. I thought he showed improvement last season, but it was nothing consistent, nor anything that impacted big games for us down the stretch.

I'm just wondering what their real plan is for him. I'd rather keep both Wilson and Boyd. Jolly is a lock. 8 DL seems like overkill, but maybe their plans for him at LB are more involved...?


there are so many lbers as well. It seems like a stacked house. They better be a top 10 defense.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:48:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
This could be more possible than people realize.

Hard to say what the coaches are thinking, but a number of people in the know have suggested it.


Yes in the know... but in the know of what? Tongue (just kidding)


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#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:05:48 AM(UTC)
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There's no way they cut Neal, to much raw talent and versatility. Probably one of our best pass rushers on the team.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:15:58 AM(UTC)
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Maybe somebody will offer a first round...just dreaming.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:43:33 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
There's no way they cut Neal, to much raw talent and versatility. Probably one of our best pass rushers on the team.


When healthy... when has that raw talent netted him production on the field?

The Neal decision, in my opinion, has to be focused on his health right now verses that risk that he can remain healthy. His track record has to be a chief concern in keeping him over a developing player without the same risk factor and track record.

Neal to me over his time here in Green Bay reminds me of that girl winks at you in the hallway but bolts at record speed when you approach to ask her out. Looks inviting but disappears when the rubber meets the road.
I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:14:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Pack93z Go to Quoted Post
When healthy... when has that raw talent netted him production on the field?

The Neal decision, in my opinion, has to be focused on his health right now verses that risk that he can remain healthy. His track record has to be a chief concern in keeping him over a developing player without the same risk factor and track record.

Neal to me over his time here in Green Bay reminds me of that girl winks at you in the hallway but bolts at record speed when you approach to ask her out. Looks inviting but disappears when the rubber meets the road.


I could not agree more. Neal had 1 sack against IND in his first game back from suspension in a loss. He had 1 against AZ in a blowout win (31-17). 1.5 against CHI, with an incredibly shitty OL, and 1 against TEN in another blowout win (55-7). Nothing in 2 playoff games, but 1 assist on a tackle. He had 11 combined tackles in the 11 regular season games he played. Combined. 8 Total with 3 Assists.

Mike Neal has not really shown himself to be much of a sack artist. I mean, not at all. He is one player who needs to play insanely well these next two preseason games, IMO. But, we don't know how much they are looking to utilized him at LB. Capers may like to change looks with him in there, on the fly. That seems to be the only positive in this that might be keeping him around. Otherwise, I see Wilson and Boyd being better DL and Palmer and Manning being better LBs.
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