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Offline wpr  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:28:14 AM(UTC)
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CheeseheadTV wrote:
After breaking two bones and undergoing two surgeries, Derek Sherrod has not played for the Packers since 2011. He spent all of last season on either the PUP or the Injured Reserve list. With depth at the tackle position thin and young, Sherrod — who is still on the PUP list — could be exactly what the Packers need.

In his press conference Tuesday morning, Packers GM Ted Thompson was asked about Sherrod.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:34:08 AM(UTC)
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Hmmmmm.. From today, lets say he might have have some work to do to achieve that. But to be consistent, the Packers under this staff seem to be consistent on under predicting the down time for their players.


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#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:38:07 AM(UTC)
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Would Uncle Teddy ever say what is really on his mind? If Sherrod was not able to play this year I expect Ted to tell us right up until he is put on the IR that Derek is going to play.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:58:26 AM(UTC)
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Think Would be great if he can. It's got to be frustrating for an athlete to be watching that long. Of course, the money is pretty good so that helps.Rolling Eyes
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#5 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:57:05 AM(UTC)
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Would Uncle Teddy ever say what is really on his mind? If Sherrod was not able to play this year I expect Ted to tell us right up until he is put on the IR that Derek is going to play.


I think any good GM would. Why tip your hand? Other teams do not have to know what your team situation is. What if you are considering a trade, would you want your potential trading partner that your guy is done for the year or that you expect him back? If they know he is done it may make them hold out for more. Of course any other good GM would probably see through this but why make it easy for them?

I've learned a long time ago never to believe anything that comes out of an NFL GM or coaches mouth. They may be telling the truth but chances are just as good that it is a smokescreen.

I'd rather have a guy that played things close to the vest than a loose talker who kept me, and everyone else, informed of every as it is going on.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:35:20 PM(UTC)
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If he is on the PUP he will will not be practicing.

He had a lot to learn before he got rusty.

He is so far behind he will likely never be a starter.

Next season he has to show something to catch on somewhere in the NFL.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:47:25 PM(UTC)
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Calicheeze has it right.
I think Sherrod is done. How much time/money
Has been wasted on players that have ended
Up never "earning" there money and contributed
On the Packers?
To me, if Sherrod doesn't contribute big time,
Get rid of him and use the money/roster spot
For someone that will.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:20:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
I think any good GM would. Why tip your hand? Other teams do not have to know what your team situation is. What if you are considering a trade, would you want your potential trading partner that your guy is done for the year or that you expect him back? If they know he is done it may make them hold out for more. Of course any other good GM would probably see through this but why make it easy for them?

I've learned a long time ago never to believe anything that comes out of an NFL GM or coaches mouth. They may be telling the truth but chances are just as good that it is a smokescreen.

I'd rather have a guy that played things close to the vest than a loose talker who kept me, and everyone else, informed of every as it is going on.


I am not disagreeing with you. I am not criticizing Uncle Teddy. I simply said he would not tell us anything other than he expects Sherrod to suit up this season.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:41:02 PM(UTC)
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I'm not ready to give up on Sherrod yet. I still remember Mike Flanagan.

But I think expecting anything from him beyond spot duty this year is optimism akin to thinking that Daryn Colledge will come back and anchor the line.

For the first 2 1/2 reasons given by CalCheez.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:28:07 PM(UTC)
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the only way Sherrod ever contributes to this team is if:

1. He is somehow healthy.. which, looks more and more like it will never happen..

2. Bulaga, Bahtiari, Newhouse, Barclay all get hurt or are incapable of filling in (already playing the other OT position)
Mike McCarthy and Co. put a high value on "experience" (despite skill level, and being a 1st round pick) and Sherrod is well below all of these people.

Hell, they might put move Lang to OT at that point because we all know Mike McCarthy love moving those lineman around!


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#11 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:35:07 PM(UTC)
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Sherrod will be fine.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:37:22 PM(UTC)
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If Sherrod ever truly gets healthy, which obviously is a big if, I think he will have as much of a chance of contributing as he did in his rookie season. He'll have to put in a lot of work to get back up to game speed and such, but at least the mental side of things should be a little easier after a couple years of watching film and studying the scheme. After awhile of competing and providing depth, it's possible he could steal a starting spot at either left or right tackle, especially if an injury occurs.

If he's healthy, I think he'll practice and play his way onto the field, eventually. It all depends on whether or not he'll ever truly be "healthy" enough to be an effective player again. He has the intelligence and the ability, he just needs his body to allow him to show it.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:13:17 PM(UTC)
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All it takes is one injury in November and Sherrod has a chance to contribute. I think they were phasing out Marshall Newhouse late in 2011 in favor of Derek Sherrod. Obviously, Chad Clifton came back, but I have a hunch they were preparing Sherrod to play in place of Clifton. It’s all speculation, but I think they’ve had reservations regarding Newhouse for a while now, and that’s why they’re still not counting out Sherrod.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:24:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
I am not disagreeing with you. I am not criticizing Uncle Teddy. I simply said he would not tell us anything other than he expects Sherrod to suit up this season.


My bad, I misunderstood. I'm still trying to figure out who hates who on this forum and for some reason I had you pegged as a Ted Thompson hater. The truth is I read the posts and most of the time I don't even read to see who wrote them unless something really sticks out. Like Uncle Teddy posts.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:34:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
My bad, I misunderstood. I'm still trying to figure out who hates who on this forum and for some reason I had you pegged as a Ted Thompson hater. The truth is I read the posts and most of the time I don't even read to see who wrote them unless something really sticks out. Like Uncle Teddy posts.


I'm the same way. I respond to what is communicated, not the person who is making the statement.

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#16 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 12:19:59 AM(UTC)
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"They didn't even know that he needed another surgery until this spring. All of last year was wasted. That could have been from complications from the first surgery, but it was something that was left undone.

"They couldn't figure it out ... that his bones did not heal right together."


From Sherrod's dad and brother.

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Louis Sherrod estimated that his son "should be playing in a few more weeks.


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The best guess is that Sherrod will remain on the PUP list for the first six weeks of the regular season. Then he could start practicing and play in as many as 10 games.
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#17 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 5:25:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
My bad, I misunderstood. I'm still trying to figure out who hates who on this forum and for some reason I had you pegged as a Ted Thompson hater. The truth is I read the posts and most of the time I don't even read to see who wrote them unless something really sticks out. Like Uncle Teddy posts.


I don't hate Uncle Teddy. I may mock him some time (thus calling him "Uncle Teddy") but I think he is a very good GM. I am certain he has forgotten 5 times as much about football as I have cumulatively learned.
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#18 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 5:28:46 AM(UTC)
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I'm the same way. I respond to what is communicated, not the person who is making the statement.

wpr hates me.


nerdmann I am cut to the quick. I don't hate you. Never have. I may be condescending, I may taunt or do a lot of other crap to you but I don't hate you. You are the tabasco for our eggs. Life would be bland without your posts.


BTW I don't eat tabasco on my eggs. Puke nevertheless you have to keep up your keen insight.
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#19 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 5:56:21 AM(UTC)
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BTW I don't eat tabasco on my eggs.


You should, though.

Either that or piri piri sauce.

Ketchup only if the eggs are old, though.

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#20 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 6:06:08 AM(UTC)
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You should, though.

Either that or piri piri sauce.

Ketchup only if the eggs are old, though.

Big Grin



ketchup never. i gave that up as a kid.

edit- so that we remain on task- Back in the early days of this year I thought Sherrod would make a comeback and play this year. As times slips by and we approach the beginning of GB's run for yet another championship I am not so sure. Naturally I have nothing to base it on. I have no facts what so ever. Only a feeling that sicne they have not taken Sherrod off the PUP and let him get a few preseason reps under his belt it just seems as if he is going to have to sit out the whole season. After a stint on the PUP he has a few weeks in which to practice but it takes time to get back into the flow of things. If it was easy to walk in and suit up and start blocking DL nearly anyone could do it. It takes a lot of time to get the footwork down. To get into a rhythm with the other OLmen. To be in "football shape". I don't think the time between coming off the PUP and when GB has to activate him is enough time.

And I base this opinion on all my years of sitting on my butt in front of the tv watching other guys run out on to the field and take on each other.

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#21 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 8:30:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
ketchup never. i gave that up as a kid.

edit- so that we remain on task- Back in the early days of this year I thought Sherrod would make a comeback and play this year. As times slips by and we approach the beginning of GB's run for yet another championship I am not so sure. Naturally I have nothing to base it on. I have no facts what so ever. Only a feeling that sicne they have not taken Sherrod off the PUP and let him get a few preseason reps under his belt it just seems as if he is going to have to sit out the whole season. After a stint on the PUP he has a few weeks in which to practice but it takes time to get back into the flow of things. If it was easy to walk in and suit up and start blocking DL nearly anyone could do it. It takes a lot of time to get the footwork down. To get into a rhythm with the other OLmen. To be in "football shape". I don't think the time between coming off the PUP and when GB has to activate him is enough time.

And I base this opinion on all my years of sitting on my butt in front of the tv watching other guys run out on to the field and take on each other.


If he's truly healthy, I think they'll find a spot on the roster for him, probably due to someone going on injured reserve. Sherrod may not get back up to football speed until the end of the season or even the playoffs, but if he does, it would be worth it. Create a roster space for him, and just let him practice with the scout team and such. There could come a moment in the playoffs where he is needed.

Again, this all has to do with whether or not he can truly get healthy. I wouldn't be surprised to see him on injured reserve, either. But if he's healthy, he would be worth a roster spot so that he could practice and eventually get back into shape, even if it's a few months after granting him a spot.

I still think Sherrod is the Packers best hope for quality offensive tackle depth beyond what they currently have. It's unlikely they find something much better off the waiver wire after cuts, but stranger things have happened. They aren't likely to have the raw talent Sherrod has, but hopefully they'll at least be healthy.

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#22 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 9:21:33 AM(UTC)
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Sheds some light on why this process has taken so long...

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Derek Sherrod’s family sheds light on his long recovery

Posted by Josh Alper on August 23, 2013, 10:07 AM EDT

The Packers haven’t had much to say about the status of 2011 first-round pick Derek Sherrod since putting him on the PUP list at the start of camp, but the tackle’s family is filling in some blanks to help explain why Sherrod remains off the field since breaking his leg in December 2011.

Sherrod broke both the tibia and fibula in his right leg and had surgery to repair the injury a short time later. He was on the PUP list through last year’s camp and into the regular season before a brief return to practice showed he wasn’t ready to return. His father, Louis Sherrod, explained that his son’s leg couldn’t bear weight and MRIs revealed an ankle problem that required further surgery this year.

“It was just complications from the way that the surgery was performed,” said Dezmond Sherrod, Derek’s older brother, via Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “They affected other mechanisms within the leg. The tibia and fibula were broken the first time, but that affects how your knee and ankle interact. When you have something off in one area, it can affect other areas. After you have surgery, only time will tell how things work out. It wasn’t until he was ready to go back on the field and starting running and doing things, putting more pressure and body weight on it … that’s when he noticed things weren’t where they should be as far as the timetable when to get back on the field.”

The Sherrods have no ill will toward the original surgeons, explaining that complications arise from emergency surgery and that they were happy doctors operated as promptly as they did. Louis Sherrod thinks his son is a few weeks away from getting on the field, which suggests that he’ll miss at least the first six weeks of the regular season on the PUP list while he works his way back into playing shape.
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#23 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 9:31:15 AM(UTC)
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Sheds some light on why this process has taken so long...



he is not the first guy to need more than one surgery.
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#24 Posted : Friday, August 23, 2013 12:38:18 PM(UTC)
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nerdmann I am cut to the quick. I don't hate you. Never have. I may be condescending, I may taunt or do a lot of other crap to you but I don't hate you. You are the tabasco for our eggs. Life would be bland without your posts.


BTW I don't eat tabasco on my eggs. Puke nevertheless you have to keep up your keen insight.


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