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Offline Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 11:57:29 AM(UTC)
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McCarthy on his press conference just said that when releasing him that he's still in the competition and that they know what they have with him. Basically, they didn't wanna go into 4th game with three kickers.

I think the new kid wins it. He can drill it and he's more accurate than Crosby and less expensive.
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#2 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:04:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
McCarthy on his press conference just said that when releasing him that he's still in the competition and that they know what they have with him. Basically, they didn't wanna go into 4th game with three kickers.

I think the new kid wins it. He can drill it and he's more accurate than Crosby and less expensive.


unless Ramirez really mess up he should get the job.
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#3 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:21:59 PM(UTC)
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Ramirez's arrival at camp is another nail in Crosby's coffin. I'm all for moving on without Crosby on our roster.
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#4 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:24:43 PM(UTC)
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Just don't see how Crosby doesn't get the job...

The guy made all his Kicks in the preseason. 3 for 3? 4 for 4? .. I mean Tavecchio missed one from a reasonable distance.

What is the curve when grading these guys? Does practice matter? Does games matter? If you put it all together Crosby has had the best preseason except family night.

I mean I guess you could get Ramirez cheaper sure. But why take the chance on that guy who hasn't been with us for a matter of a week?

Idk this process is just really confusing right now.
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#5 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:32:40 PM(UTC)
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I think Mike McCarthy is just keeping this in his back pocket, saying: "Don't make me bring Sergio back here!"
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#6 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:35:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Just don't see how Crosby doesn't get the job...

The guy made all his Kicks in the preseason. 3 for 3? 4 for 4? .. I mean Tavecchio missed one from a reasonable distance.

What is the curve when grading these guys? Does practice matter? Does games matter? If you put it all together Crosby has had the best preseason except family night.

I mean I guess you could get Ramirez cheaper sure. But why take the chance on that guy who hasn't been with us for a matter of a week?

Idk this process is just really confusing right now.


Tavechio clearly out kicked Crosby.

They were even all the time, except occasionally Crosby would miss 3 in a row in practice.

Then in one game Tavecchio misses ONE, and Crosby makes one. Suddenly all the headlines read CROSBY MOVES AHEAD IN KICKING COMPETITION.

Tavecchio never had a chance. For whatever reason, they just didn't want him.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#7 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:36:27 PM(UTC)
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Mason Crosby's kicking woes return


If Crosby were doing well, they wouldn't have two other kickers competing for the position.
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#8 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 12:52:28 PM(UTC)
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I believe the lefty component entered into the equation with Sergio.
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#9 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 1:02:31 PM(UTC)
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Also, watch Georgio on kickoffs...

Something was awkward with him. He seemed to lose his balance every time.


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Offline Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 1:07:41 PM(UTC)
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Giorgio Tavecchio, converted 86.4 percent of his field goals throughout the course of this summer, which is better than the 80.0 percent Crosby has posted.
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#11 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 1:56:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Giorgio Tavecchio, converted 86.4 percent of his field goals throughout the course of this summer, which is better than the 80.0 percent Crosby has posted.


And yet they release him, stating he's "still in the competition." Right?

I guess they got enough film on him. I wonder when they'll have enough film on Crosby.
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#12 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 1:59:48 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Tavechio clearly out kicked Crosby.

They were even all the time, except occasionally Crosby would miss 3 in a row in practice.

Then in one game Tavecchio misses ONE, and Crosby makes one. Suddenly all the headlines read CROSBY MOVES AHEAD IN KICKING COMPETITION.

Tavecchio never had a chance. For whatever reason, they just didn't want him.


Sure in practice maybe. But Crosby made all his in the games. Tavecchio only made 1 in game. That's why i'm skeptical on anyone else getting the job. Like you said Tavecchio never had a chance cause he made most of his kicks IN PRACTICE.

I understand all the Kicking competition, but only 1 was made by anyone other than Crosby during the Preseason. Crosby made 3. We barely kicked any fieldgoals. Crosby wins by default.
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#13 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 2:01:01 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
Giorgio Tavecchio, converted 86.4 percent of his field goals throughout the course of this summer, which is better than the 80.0 percent Crosby has posted.


Imo that is pretty insignificant.
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#14 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 2:19:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Sure in practice maybe. But Crosby made all his in the games. Tavecchio only made 1 in game. That's why i'm skeptical on anyone else getting the job. Like you said Tavecchio never had a chance cause he made most of his kicks IN PRACTICE.

I understand all the Kicking competition, but only 1 was made by anyone other than Crosby during the Preseason. Crosby made 3. We barely kicked any fieldgoals. Crosby wins by default.


100% about SALARY CAP. They'd owe Crosby dead money.
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#15 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 2:21:46 PM(UTC)
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so given what the Italian sounding name guy did and mason did recently - whats the new guy got to do in the next week to get a job? ... make everything?

how many FGs we really going to get in the next game? - 3 tops? so if he misses one he is done? ...

I mean I like the sound of the new guy but seriously we going to keep him if he is any good then? or just putting him there to keep Crosby honest for the next week?


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#16 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 2:41:41 PM(UTC)
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So Tavecchio might make one or 2 more field goals than Crosby during a year. But the other team will start every possession at the 30 instead of the 20. Bye bye Tavecchio. Seems simple to me.

And until he is signed somewhere else, he can always come back. Sounds like typical Packer management talk. Don't read too much into it.
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#17 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 2:42:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
so given what the Italian sounding name guy did and mason did recently - whats the new guy got to do in the next week to get a job? ... make everything?

how many FGs we really going to get in the next game? - 3 tops? so if he misses one he is done? ...

I mean I like the sound of the new guy but seriously we going to keep him if he is any good then? or just putting him there to keep Crosby honest for the next week?




Yea it was pointless bringing in another kicker. I'm thinking that they thought Remerez and Tavecchio were the same players except Remerez has a stronger leg.
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#18 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 3:16:07 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
And yet they release him, stating he's "still in the competition." Right?

I guess they got enough film on him. I wonder when they'll have enough film on Crosby.


The thing is if they cut Crosby someone will likely snap him up. Tevecchio will still be there most likely if they decide Crosby can't cut it and the new guy is a wash out.


Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon Go to Quoted Post
Sure in practice maybe. But Crosby made all his in the games. Tavecchio only made 1 in game. That's why i'm skeptical on anyone else getting the job. Like you said Tavecchio never had a chance cause he made most of his kicks IN PRACTICE.

I understand all the Kicking competition, but only 1 was made by anyone other than Crosby during the Preseason. Crosby made 3. We barely kicked any fieldgoals. Crosby wins by default.


You can't go strictly by game action because, like you said, how many did they try. IMO only 2 or 3 roster spots are won during the preseason games. The majority are won in camp. 2 players that I think played their way to a spot are Johnny Jolly and Micah Hyde (although being a 5th rounder I think Hyde had a good shot anyway) .

I honestly think it is a toss up between Crosby and Ramirez. They were obviously not sold on Tevecchio because they let him go. They are obviously not sold on Crosby because the brought in Ramirez. I don't think they would have brought him in if they had decided to go with Crosby. Had Tevecchio not missed that 49 yarder I think the job might be his to lose.
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#19 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 5:05:17 PM(UTC)
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The only reason to bring in another kicker now (and a rookie at that) would be because they want to go in another direction. It can't be to provide competition to inspire Crosby, they already did that.

In my opinion, the job is Ramirez' if he shows any kind of leg strength and shows he can handle kicking in a game situation.
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#20 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 5:45:26 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: macbob Go to Quoted Post
The only reason to bring in another kicker now (and a rookie at that) would be because they want to go in another direction. It can't be to provide competition to inspire Crosby, they already did that.

In my opinion, the job is Ramirez' if he shows any kind of leg strength and shows he can handle kicking in a game situation.


The way I see it, it is still Mason's job to lose at this point. The difference now is that we have a young, hungry, and talented player behind him ready to take his job. If Crosby slips into a slump entering December, we have another option. So I think this season is effectively Mason's last shot to win back McCarthy's confidence in him. If he fails, then we have a young talent to develop for the future.
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#21 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 6:22:02 PM(UTC)
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The way I see it, it is still Mason's job to lose at this point. The difference now is that we have a young, hungry, and talented player behind him ready to take his job. If Crosby slips into a slump entering December, we have another option. So I think this season is effectively Mason's last shot to win back McCarthy's confidence in him. If he fails, then we have a young talent to develop for the future.


That was Tavecchio.

The only reason to bring in a third at this point is you didn't like option 1 or 2.
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#22 Posted : Monday, August 26, 2013 9:32:35 PM(UTC)
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I like Crosby but he really showed that he is a wildcard head case at Family Night. If an entire off season and relatively friendly home crowd isn't enough to get you over your mental hump, what is? I'm not wild about Tavecchio, but at least he doesn't show a tendency to implode. I'm interested to see what the new guy can do. As for the salary cap talk, if Crosby would have had his s*** together last year nobody, coaches included, would have been able to tell you what he was making .
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:07:42 AM(UTC)
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I think they saw GT as not a major upgrade on field goals but weak-legged on kickoffs, so there wasn't really a good reason to take a risk on him.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:26:28 AM(UTC)
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As for the salary cap talk, if Crosby would have had his s*** together last year nobody, coaches included, would have been able to tell you what he was making .


What does this mean exactly? All salaries are public record I believe.

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#25 Posted : Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:25:39 AM(UTC)
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What does this mean exactly? All salaries are public record I believe.


I was being facetious - my point was that nobody would have cared what Crosby's contract amount was if he was performing as he had earlier instead of going through an extended bad streak. I don't believe that the idea of cutting Crosby is motivated by cost savings. Instead, I believe cutting Crosby (if it happens) is motivated by performance, or lack thereof.
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